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1/9/2007 7:51:30 PM EDT
Long story short...a lot of "stuff" didn't show up on my background checks, "stuff" I CLEARLY told my recruiter long before going to MEPS. He tells me to shut my mouth about it because "it never happened". Same thing with traffic tickets, a lot of them never showed up, only two out a handful.

Am I fucked if I ever want or need a any kind of SECRET clearance?

Also, I tend to break out in hives when I sweat, no itching or aggravation, just red spots all over. Can this be a problem?  Didn't mention this at MEPS, it honestly flew over my head at the moment.

Over at some Marine forums, the mods tend to overreact and contact poolees' recruiters, meps, when they confess to things like this on the forums, not that any of my info is public, I'm looking for insight and advice and not a babysitter
1/9/2007 7:54:53 PM EDT
[#1]
If you apply for a clearance, you will fill it out yourslef and sign a form verifying it.  It is unrelated to anything purely enlistment related.

If the MEPS doctors cleared you, I wouldn't sweat anything medical, unless you think it will effect you ability to do your job.
1/9/2007 8:29:07 PM EDT
[#2]
i can tell you that Im going through the process now and I had a few arrests and many tickets when i was young. all of them were over 9 years ago but I told my recruiters and MEPS everything. It required me to have to get a waiver but the waiver process works well and fast and I was interviewed over the phone by a Major in recruiting who approved my waiver. It is good to know that no matter what might come up later on in your career that you told the truth in the beginning and that you got the waiver and you cant get kicked out for not telling them everything.

No idea how you would go back and let them know everything after the fact though.

Hopefully someone who is in recruiting can help you out.
1/9/2007 8:58:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Yea, thats what I am not too keen about, having this on my chest throughout all my time in the service if it really is that serious.

I don't know about going back, as I have already sworn in and have a ship date. I know if I came to my recruiter and said "hey I want to do this right" he would most definitely not be inclined to help out with that whatsoever.
1/9/2007 9:03:13 PM EDT
[#4]
when in doubt, get another recruiter. they're a dime a dozen.
1/9/2007 11:19:18 PM EDT
[#5]
Your as good as “in” now, I wouldn’t worry about it.
1/10/2007 12:36:46 AM EDT
[#6]
you haven't been getting paid yet you not in yet and if you dont want to do it now then dont.
you can back out all the way till your last trip to meps when you swear in again and start getting paid.

1/10/2007 3:33:04 AM EDT
[#7]
Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.
1/10/2007 3:40:19 AM EDT
[#8]

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Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.


It's been even longer for me, but he will swear in again prior to shipping. He can quit if he wants to.


OP does your MOS require a clearance? If they don't itch are they really hives (Urticaria)? I have seen many really fair skined people do this without any ill effects. Did you get arrested or did you just do some petty shit and get away with it? If you had an undetected crime wave I wouldn't worry too much.


Good Luck at MCRD there Devil Puppy.
1/10/2007 3:51:08 AM EDT
[#9]

Don't sweat it.........your SF-86 (security clearance) is a whole different process........and they will look at that stuff when the time comes....just keep your nose clean from here on out and you will be fine.....
1/10/2007 4:02:29 AM EDT
[#10]

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Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.


It's been even longer for me, but he will swear in again prior to shipping.


I don’t remember the second swearing in, must have been the shock of leaving my Mommy.


1/10/2007 4:06:09 AM EDT
[#11]
If it isn't written/documented, and the background check didn't discover anything...it didn't happen.  Most importantly, when you arrive bootcamp there will be a "last minute amnesty chance" when they put about 60 or so of you in a room and threaten you with all kinds of shit about not admitting something prior service.  During this time...STFU!  You roll with the story you have the entire time in the Corps.  

I had asthma when I was young, (probably didn't though as I was just a fatass using an excuse, but it was documanted non-the-less) but didn't have any problems after 14 years of age (After I got in shape). I told the recruiter, he took me out for a 1.5 mile run on 90 degree day and I finished in 8.5 minutes.  I got a TS clearance in the Corp when and still retain a TS to this day that has been renewed/investigated 5-6 times.

Moral of the story, if it ain't going to matter (hinder your performance) STFU!

- Sgt Gargoyle, USMC 95-00
1/10/2007 9:50:39 AM EDT
[#12]

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Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.


It's been even longer for me, but he will swear in again prior to shipping. He can quit if he wants to.


OP does your MOS require a clearance? If they don't itch are they really hives (Urticaria)? I have seen many really fair skined people do this without any ill effects. Did you get arrested or did you just do some petty shit and get away with it? If you had an undetected crime wave I wouldn't worry too much.


Good Luck at MCRD there Devil Puppy.


I am only signed up for the Infantry Option at the moment, no specific MOS can be gauranteed. Yes I am sure it is hives, I've researched it. I was arrested and expelled from my junior year of high school, and one misdemeanor citation after that. Petty shit, but I was sure it would of shown up on a background check.
1/10/2007 11:13:05 AM EDT
[#13]

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Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.


It's been even longer for me, but he will swear in again prior to shipping. He can quit if he wants to.


OP does your MOS require a clearance? If they don't itch are they really hives (Urticaria)? I have seen many really fair skined people do this without any ill effects. Did you get arrested or did you just do some petty shit and get away with it? If you had an undetected crime wave I wouldn't worry too much.


Good Luck at MCRD there Devil Puppy.


I am only signed up for the Infantry Option at the moment, no specific MOS can be gauranteed. Yes I am sure it is hives, I've researched it. I was arrested and expelled from my junior year of high school, and one misdemeanor citation after that. Petty shit, but I was sure it would of shown up on a background check.


for some it shows up, for some it doesnt.  for me it did....ALL of it.  some things 11-12 years back.  long story short i started enlisting in 2000 and shipped out in dec. 2005.  

if ity isnt on there it must not have happened.  got it?
1/10/2007 12:18:26 PM EDT
[#14]

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Well it’s been 23 years since I was on the DEP, but shouldn’t he already be sworn in? At the time I was DEP I was actually accruing TIS/TIG while waiting to leave for basic.


It's been even longer for me, but he will swear in again prior to shipping. He can quit if he wants to.


OP does your MOS require a clearance? If they don't itch are they really hives (Urticaria)? I have seen many really fair skined people do this without any ill effects. Did you get arrested or did you just do some petty shit and get away with it? If you had an undetected crime wave I wouldn't worry too much.


Good Luck at MCRD there Devil Puppy.


I am only signed up for the Infantry Option at the moment, no specific MOS can be gauranteed. Yes I am sure it is hives, I've researched it. I was arrested and expelled from my junior year of high school, and one misdemeanor citation after that. Petty shit, but I was sure it would of shown up on a background check.


for some it shows up, for some it doesnt.  for me it did....ALL of it.  some things 11-12 years back.  long story short i started enlisting in 2000 and shipped out in dec. 2005.  

if ity isnt on there it must not have happened.  got it?


damn! 5 years of waivers and whatnot? really???


I know I had a lot more traffic tickets than what showed up, I was thinking about checking the National Driver Register to see if it matches what they found in case I ever need a .mil drivers license.
1/10/2007 12:58:19 PM EDT
[#15]

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If it isn't written/documented, and the background check didn't discover anything...it didn't happen.  


Whatever you put on your paperwork is exactly what's going to have to go on your paperwork for the rest of your working life, be it military, LE or government work.  I know people who've been denied a clearance and a job because poly time came around and they had to admit to lying about drug use or arrests on an SF86 some time in the past.  If you ever go for a TS you will also have a much more involved background investigation that will check local police records that do not show up on a NAC.  DO NOT fuck it up in the beginning regardless of what your recruiter told you.  Clear this up.
1/10/2007 2:14:29 PM EDT
[#16]

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If it isn't written/documented, and the background check didn't discover anything...it didn't happen.  


Whatever you put on your paperwork is exactly what's going to have to go on your paperwork for the rest of your working life, be it military, LE or government work.  I know people who've been denied a clearance and a job because poly time came around and they had to admit to lying about drug use or arrests on an SF86 some time in the past.  If you ever go for a TS you will also have a much more involved background investigation that will check local police records that do not show up on a NAC.  DO NOT fuck it up in the beginning regardless of what your recruiter told you.  Clear this up.


If I try to clear this up, couldn't the whole thing be seen as fraudulent enlistment from the beginning? I would rather stick with what I have going on now then forever ruin my chances of serving!
1/10/2007 3:49:39 PM EDT
[#17]
I would let it go.  Like almost all the other guys have said, you will be fine.  The hives thing may be a problem for you in boot, but you won't know till you get there.  I had to wait nearly a year for a waiver since I told my recruiter everything.  I had a bunch of petty bullshit really, no real crimes.  I had to get letters of recommendation, write letters of remorse for each and every crime (I think there were 12 total) etc.  What a PITA, but it was worth it.
1/10/2007 5:25:45 PM EDT
[#18]
If you ever have to get "PRP" you migt be hosed.
1/11/2007 8:56:28 AM EDT
[#19]

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If you ever have to get "PRP" you migt be hosed.


PRP?
1/11/2007 3:49:07 PM EDT
[#20]
Personal Reliability Program, if you work with chemical weapons, nukes, etc.  They do another check on top of your security clearance.  When I was on Johnston Atoll (USARPAC) we had to go though it,, I don't think there are many spots like that anymore, most are now DOD or contractors.