Posted: 3/15/2013 6:32:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is a guy on the school board that has a statement on his vote for me website " served with the United States Marine Corps in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. ... based in Saudi Arabia and led missions into Kuwait". I found out today from a guy that had his record pulled ( he is running for school board) that the guy was a reserve motor vehicle operator that was only active duty for boot and five weeks of 3531 school. There is no CAR in the chart and no individual medals either. Is it in any way possible that the guy is telling the truth? I know that the Marines expect a LOT more out of junior guys than the Navy does but was he "leading missions" with ZERO AD time? I was active duty Navy at the same time and am very careful not to allow people to think I did anything other than drink beer and treat the clap during those days. Doesn't say what type of missions or what level of leadership he could have been a squad leader or fire team leader I'm not in motor t but from my understanding the operators can and usually do run the gun atop the humvee he may have also never engaged targets so it is plausible. As for the reservist thing I was like 6 back when we started desert storm but if it is anything like OEF has been then he could have deployed quite a bit. ETA: as for the no personal awards maybe he didn't get any, it seems like back in the day you had to earn your awards now a days they give you a nam if you show up to work on time. Also there are posts on here about dd-214 not having all the awards on it so they might have been lazy and not put them on it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There is a guy on the school board that has a statement on his vote for me website " served with the United States Marine Corps in Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. ... based in Saudi Arabia and led missions into Kuwait". I found out today from a guy that had his record pulled ( he is running for school board) that the guy was a reserve motor vehicle operator that was only active duty for boot and five weeks of 3531 school. There is no CAR in the chart and no individual medals either. Is it in any way possible that the guy is telling the truth? I know that the Marines expect a LOT more out of junior guys than the Navy does but was he "leading missions" with ZERO AD time? I was active duty Navy at the same time and am very careful not to allow people to think I did anything other than drink beer and treat the clap during those days. Doesn't say what type of missions or what level of leadership he could have been a squad leader or fire team leader I'm not in motor t but from my understanding the operators can and usually do run the gun atop the humvee he may have also never engaged targets so it is plausible. As for the reservist thing I was like 6 back when we started desert storm but if it is anything like OEF has been then he could have deployed quite a bit. ETA: as for the no personal awards maybe he didn't get any, it seems like back in the day you had to earn your awards now a days they give you a nam if you show up to work on time. Also there are posts on here about dd-214 not having all the awards on it so they might have been lazy and not put them on it. If the active time on his DD214 is for basic and 3531 school and nothing else then he's FoS and should be called out on it. Mobs/deployments not only count as AD time, but they also get rolled up separately as foreign service time. DD214 should also list his service ribbons, not just awards, ie the NDSM, and at a minimum the medals the Saudis and Kuwaitis gave our guys, maybe the SW Asia service meal or an expeditionary medal too. |
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How did somebody "pull his record"?
You can not get deployed overseas without being on active duty or active duty orders. It is also possible he was in another service. Ie. active duty Marine, then DOS and then reserve Army or something like that so he would have 2 sets of records. |
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Because he was in a reserve unit and most everyone else was in the same situation. Little active time. I do not know his situation/unit/unit type/ he may have been a in theater replacement to an Active unit.
he was leading (if he did) because you DO NOT LET 2ND/1ST LT's be in charge of crap. ESP. in a CZ. I was a SSG before the dark side-and have been a 2nd/1st LT CPT major and just got above that. OIF 1-2-3-4 AFG 2011 |
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"Missions" does not always equal combat missions. A mission to drive into Kuwait and deliver repair parts is still a mission. If a guy is in charge of himself and one other in the performance of a task, then he led the mission. Don't read more into what he claims than his actual words. I don't see the word combat in any of his claims.
And yes, the military was very stingy with awards during Desert Storm compared to today. The vast majority got nothing other than the "I was there" ribbons. Paragraph 2 of my unit's OPORD (our mission) was to build pipelines to support the left hook into Iraq. Combat ops were over before a single drop of fuel made it through the pipeline. A few weeks later we had to take the pipelines apart in case they were needed elsewhere during the cold war, so my mission was to be a part of an enormous boondoggle that didn't contribute a damn thing to the war. I'm proud of the way I performed my assigned duties, and have never felt any need to make it sound like I was some sort of high speed operator. |
This is awesome!!!! I can now put on my curriculum vitae that I led the 3rd Armored Division in the attack on Iraq! For about 20 minutes I was in the first formation and the lead tank after crossing the berm, so I led the 3rd AD into Iraq! I feel blessed and special and you may all bow to me now. 
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Why dont you ask him.
And NO the military was not stingy with awards in DS/DS. If you were an E-7 or above in the Army, you likely got the Bronze Star medal for "service"...The ENTIRE 82nd Airborne followed the French in trucks, picking up POWs, and they all got the CIB, etc., etc., lots more examples. |
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Because he was in a reserve unit and most everyone else was in the same situation. Little active time. I do not know his situation/unit/unit type/ he may have been a in theater replacement to an Active unit. he was leading (if he did) because you DO NOT LET 2ND/1ST LT's be in charge of crap. ESP. in a CZ. I was a SSG before the dark side-and have been a 2nd/1st LT CPT major and just got above that. OIF 1-2-3-4 AFG 2011 Having been a private, then NCO, then commissioned, I am not sure where you get the "do not let an 2LT/1LT lead" garbage. In my infantry units, the LTs and SSGs pretty much led the whole thing. PSGs and 1SGs were a crap shoot, and most CSMs were worthless as mammories on a boarhog, as were many majors I have encountered. No way, LTs do a great job if they have great NCOs who know how to help develop them, and a company commander who provides the right amount of oversight and coaching. |
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There is actually a Marine MOS dedicated to fucking up your admin, so I would not get too worked up about this school board example.
Terminal Lance comic on point. |
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Quoted: He has a Sea Service Deplyment Ribbon, a National Defense and a MUC and aKuwaaiti Lib Medal but the MAIN question remains is would a Marine with no active duty time be tasked with leading missions in a warzone? Not just one truck run from A-B but MISSIONS as his website states. Does not compute. Seastate, let's think about this a bit. Do you think he was awarded a KLM for a reserve weekend? |
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Quoted: No, The question I was raising was the fact that he had no active duty time BEFORE his five month deployment. When a reserve unit activates you have your rank and carry out your duties. He was probably a Corporal or picked up Corporal before he finished his five month deployment. As such he led marines in Kuwait. Doesn't mean their were more than 3 or 4 of them. Plenty of people were in the reserves in the early 80's through their first deployment to Kuwait/Iraq. They could easily be E-7 without having a single deployment. It's a little different now that we've been in Iraq and/or Afghanistan for the last decade. ETA: Truck runs from A:B are missions. I spent my whole first deployment making truck runs. They aren't sexy missions, but keeping the grunts supplied was my mission in Iraq.
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Why dont you ask him. And NO the military was not stingy with awards in DS/DS. If you were an E-7 or above in the Army, you likely got the Bronze Star medal for "service"...The ENTIRE 82nd Airborne followed the French in trucks, picking up POWs, and they all got the CIB, etc., etc., lots more examples. The Reserves didn't all see awards like the 82nd. My company received two: the Commander and one of the platoon leaders. The platoon leader got an ARCOM, I don't recall what the CO was awarded. |
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The records were "pulled" via FOIA from the records center. They show boot camp and released from active duty and then after a few months he reported to school and then again released from active duty. A few months later it showsTAD to MOB and then after five months of active duty with 4TH FSSG he was released from active duty. He has a Sea Service Deplyment Ribbon, a National Defense and a MUC and a Kuwaaiti Lib Medal but the MAIN question remains is would a Marine with no active duty time be tasked with leading missions in a warzone? Not just one truck run from A-B but MISSIONS as his website states. If he has a sea service, a muc, and a Kuwaiti lib medal then he was there. His time with 4th FSSG that it lists was just that. As far as led missions, if he was any rank of motor t operor then he probably had to plan his convoys and ensure they got there and got back. This is typical for Marines. If you want to question just how much he led and what he did, go for it, but questioning whether he was there or not is pointless and will end up looking bad for whoever is questioning. If you are that concerned, ask him. |
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No question he was there, I just had questions about his leading missions with no active duty time other than boot and motor t school. I am getting the feeling that he did "lead missions" after the statements you guys are making here. I still despise the guy but it looks like he is not a fraud from a service standpont.
Thanks for all the input |
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Well gee? Okay to be totally honest with you guys. Desert Storm was not the same Difficulty level as Iraq/Afghanistan.
Also lot's of Reservists were called up. Myself included. I also live in Saint Louis Missouri where I know for a fact that the records building at Goodfellow was packed from floor to ceiling with unprocessed service records from Desert Shield/Storm when the building went up in flames. So there are reasons there could be a gap. I was stationed in Kuwait and led missions into Iraq. If you count driving a gas truck across a boarder. Maybe I should run for office. |
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The lack of a CAR isn't a total red flag - there are more than a few Marines who got into some serious action but dong have one due to administrative laziness by their s-1. At the very least he should have SWA service and Liberation of Kuwait medals though. I have a NAM that specifically mentions the specifics of combat action but due to a paperwork error, I don't have a CAR. I tried to correct it for awhile and finally just gave up. |
| Good point. This is mainly due to the fact that USAR/NG commanders dont know how to game the awards system like regular guys do...I have met many brave NG/USAR soldiers who should have received the CIB or CAB and did not, as commanders and admin personnel did not do their jobs. When you have 3 men from the same squad, in the same actions, fail to receive the CIB that the rest of their squad mates got, it sure could be an indicator. |