Posted: 3/29/2010 5:31:30 PM EDT
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Who's taken this course? I am going to try to weasel my way into a course here soon, and I'm looking for any information.
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I have been wondering this for a while. WHY is there no striking introduced? When I went through BCT and AIT there was the pugil sticks and unarmed self defense (USD). Then about 5 yrs ago I heard they was some kind of "combatives" movement adopted by the Army. I thought great, until, I saw that it was basically grappling or wrestling your opponent into submission holds. I guess we are going to make the enemy submit?
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How long is the class? One week for Level 1. They are having it at 183rd RTI the second week of April. I'm going up there tomorrow to talk to a buddy and see if it's too late to get loaded in. The instructor there just won his weight class at the ARNG Combatives Championship yesterday. From what I've seen, originally it was based on BJJ, but there's supposed to be a program update to include Muay Thai style strikes. If it had a good mix of striking and grappling, it'd be awesome. |
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i took it.
only good thing is you can go to level 2 after. theres no striking, you start on your knees learn the 3 phases of a fight, dominant body positions etc. the chokes are almost worthless. its very "MMA lite" im really not that impressed with MACP, its more sport based than killing based |
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How long is the class? One week for Level 1. They are having it at 183rd RTI the second week of April. I'm going up there tomorrow to talk to a buddy and see if it's too late to get loaded in. The instructor there just won his weight class at the ARNG Combatives Championship yesterday. From what I've seen, originally it was based on BJJ, but there's supposed to be a program update to include Muay Thai style strikes. If it had a good mix of striking and grappling, it'd be awesome. Army Combatives is BJJ, judo, wrestling, boxing, and a little bit of Muay Thai....as designed by Larsen. Strikes come in the later levels.....Level 1 is merely designed to teach a person the basic foundations of MAC. Think of it like "Basic Training" but in MAC. Level 2 would be AIT and Levels 3/4 would be when you get to your unit and learn the real stuff. |
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Out of curiosity, does the Army still teach LINES? I had never even heard of it until last night and I went through Infantry OSUT in 2003. We were taught MAC. LINES is the fucking suck. 
I don't know if MAC is comparable, but if it is, I feel bad for you. The Swarm = Much Awful. 
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I'll just tack on about the lack of striking in Level I. Its so that you can take someone into a Level I class and then release you to at least introduce (not certify) and instruct people in your unit about the program. Its a basic program that introduces (as all instruction does) grappling, fighting, mentality to the lowest common denominator. Some Level II (I am Level II) do use striking but most do not because of the "ouch" factor. Units want people who can function on a day to day basis, not be crippled from a training exercise. The other argument is easy and one I believe as an instructor, striking is easy. Anyone can hit you and you can hit anyone, however, deal with a situation where you can't hit and it forces you to focus on technique versus beating someone into submission.
If you get the chance at least progress through Level III and you'll get not only a free trip to Ft. Benning, you'll get to roll with the people that made MAC and the occasional BJJ/MMA guru who comes through to chat with the fight house on Benning. Thats where most people strike and weapons are also introduced. At the very least, try to get Level II certified so you can help with classes more than just sitting and having a really good guard. Also, as Level II you're often asked to punch for the clinch drill for Level I certifications. I had fun doing that... breaking noses, busting faces, being covered in blood... all to teach a very simple lesson: get your head up, protect yourself, and rush past the punches. |
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When we did combatives level 1 we slapped the shit out of each other (slaps not punches). It doesn't permanently fuck you up but it sure does hurt. Some guys would have the full mount on guys and slap them into submission––-it was painful watching guys take 100% force "man" slaps until they had to tap out lol....
Our PSG was a level 4 instructor so that's probably why there was some of that (platoon sergeant teaching it....he can get away waith murder if he wanted). It is good to introduce stuff slowly though, you can't expect people to learn much if you allow full on strikes right away––people will never learn body positions and techniques. THAT SAID. Army combatives should be more about WHAT YOU CAN DO IN BODY ARMOR. Low kicks, limited range of motion crap–– basically you want to pin the other guy while your buddy with the SAW runs over and dumps half a belt into the enemy's face. There is nothing wrong with submissions though it would likely not get that far. Obviously in real combat you won't let the enemy tap out. When you turn that arm bar into a broken arm, the guy becomes a whole lot easier to KILL! |