Posted: 12/1/2009 8:51:12 AM EDT
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There is a pit thread up where I out two trolls for defending a child rapist, armed robber and cop killer. How someone could side with an animal like this is beyond me. God bless and stay safe brothers.
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it fucking depressed the shit out of me reading that thread.
good reminder I guess that chl, bfl or whatever are not your friends or same team. Even the news I felt like was painting the officers involved in bringing in that POS in a negative light. The story posted on yahoo mentions that officers milled around, patted each other on the back and shook hands. 
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) |
| It is amazing to me that the "bladed at 45 degrees in WalMart, better not mess with me because I am a bad ass with a gun" types on this site can not understand real world street level conflict and want to blame the police all the time while espousing how they would deal with situations in their Walter Mitty worlds where they kick ass and take names. |
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It is amazing to me that the "bladed at 45 degrees in WalMart, better not mess with me because I am a bad ass with a gun" types on this site can not understand real world street level conflict and want to blame the police all the time while espousing how they would deal with situations in their Walter Mitty worlds where they kick ass and take names. The reason is this. Those morons have the luxury of criticizing what we do because there is a slim-to-none chance that they will ever be involved in a lethal force encounter. They aren't targeted for wearing a uniform and they aren't hated for choosing a noble profession. These are the same pieces of work who yell at the TV on Sunday morning, talking about how they could do better than the guys on the gridiron. It's easy to have a very strong opinion when you have never been there, and will never be there. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. This is well said, sir. |
| +1 to this. Viktor get real. Maybe if you came out here onto the streets and worked with the rest of us who risk everything on a daily basis you'd understand. Many of these poor criminals wouldn't think twice to kill you or your family just because they can. I've been in fights with these types, one of which attempted to put one of my partners over the second story rail of the hotel walkway we fought him on, followed by a foot pursuit where he tried to hit another partner with a baton in the head....his history was not unlike this murderers dating back to his early youth. This is after a long history just within my agency of fighting and attempting to injure or kill officers during fights. Screw his bill of rights, this was wasn't a citizen he was a CRIMINAL plain and simple. Everyone has choices they make in life these types choose a life of crime, they choose to kill, rape, steal, con, and scoff at the rule of law. He deserved what he got when he tried to kill a fifth cop. You might as well change your avatar, this eagle scout knows what a citizen is. I believe strongly in our constitutional rights....I also believe in the rule of law. |
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Fuck 'em. We know we do right... This. There we always be cock sucking cop haters on this site. It doesn't matter what law enforcement does....we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. I just "hope" something doesn't happen to a cop haters loved one when trying to get a hold of the cops
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Quoted: +1 to this. Viktor get real. Maybe if you came out here onto the streets and worked with the rest of us who risk everything on a daily basis you'd understand. Many of these poor criminals wouldn't think twice to kill you or your family just because they can. I've been in fights with these types, one of which attempted to put one of my partners over the second story rail of the hotel walkway we fought him on, followed by a foot pursuit where he tried to hit another partner with a baton in the head....his history was not unlike this murderers dating back to his early youth. This is after a long history just within my agency of fighting and attempting to injure or kill officers during fights. Screw his bill of rights, this was wasn't a citizen he was a CRIMINAL plain and simple. Everyone has choices they make in life these types choose a life of crime, they choose to kill, rape, steal, con, and scoff at the rule of law. He deserved what he got when he tried to kill a fifth cop. You might as well change your avatar, this eagle scout knows what a citizen is. I believe strongly in our constitutional rights....I also believe in the rule of law. I don't have a problem with Clemmons being dead. All child-rapers deserve exactly that IMO. However, I find what I highlighted in red to be a huge conflict. Part of the BOR pertains precisely to accused criminals, and to convicted criminals. As a LEO you should know that better than most, and uphold it. |
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+1 to this. Viktor get real. Maybe if you came out here onto the streets and worked with the rest of us who risk everything on a daily basis you'd understand. Many of these poor criminals wouldn't think twice to kill you or your family just because they can. I've been in fights with these types, one of which attempted to put one of my partners over the second story rail of the hotel walkway we fought him on, followed by a foot pursuit where he tried to hit another partner with a baton in the head....his history was not unlike this murderers dating back to his early youth. This is after a long history just within my agency of fighting and attempting to injure or kill officers during fights. Screw his bill of rights, this was wasn't a citizen he was a CRIMINAL plain and simple. Everyone has choices they make in life these types choose a life of crime, they choose to kill, rape, steal, con, and scoff at the rule of law. He deserved what he got when he tried to kill a fifth cop. You might as well change your avatar, this eagle scout knows what a citizen is. I believe strongly in our constitutional rights....I also believe in the rule of law. I don't have a problem with Clemmons being dead. All child-rapers deserve exactly that IMO. However, I find what I highlighted in red to be a huge conflict. Part of the BOR pertains precisely to accused criminals, and to convicted criminals. As a LEO you should know that better than most, and uphold it. Thats fine and dandy but when it is kill or be killed there is only one option. That option doesn't fit in your argument. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: +1 to this. Viktor get real. Maybe if you came out here onto the streets and worked with the rest of us who risk everything on a daily basis you'd understand. Many of these poor criminals wouldn't think twice to kill you or your family just because they can. I've been in fights with these types, one of which attempted to put one of my partners over the second story rail of the hotel walkway we fought him on, followed by a foot pursuit where he tried to hit another partner with a baton in the head....his history was not unlike this murderers dating back to his early youth. This is after a long history just within my agency of fighting and attempting to injure or kill officers during fights. Screw his bill of rights, this was wasn't a citizen he was a CRIMINAL plain and simple. Everyone has choices they make in life these types choose a life of crime, they choose to kill, rape, steal, con, and scoff at the rule of law. He deserved what he got when he tried to kill a fifth cop. You might as well change your avatar, this eagle scout knows what a citizen is. I believe strongly in our constitutional rights....I also believe in the rule of law. I don't have a problem with Clemmons being dead. All child-rapers deserve exactly that IMO. However, I find what I highlighted in red to be a huge conflict. Part of the BOR pertains precisely to accused criminals, and to convicted criminals. As a LEO you should know that better than most, and uphold it. Thats fine and dandy but when it is kill or be killed there is only one option. That option doesn't fit in your argument. I beg to differ. You aren't violating someone's rights by killing them in self defense. |
Defending the criminal and bashing LEO is the ARFCOM troll's favorite thing to do. 
Funny how I only encounter this on the internet and not in the real world. The community I serve is very pro LE and respectful of our work. In turn we respect our community. Here on the internet we are deamonized to put on the same level as the Taliban. Makes me sick.
My prayers to the fallen officers families. They have to live with what that subhuman piece of shit did. May he rot in everlasting pain in Hell. |
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Defending the criminal and bashing LEO is the ARFCOM troll's favorite thing to do.
Funny how I only encounter this on the internet and not in the real world. The community I serve is very pro LE and respectful of our work. In turn we respect our community. Here on the internet we are deamonized to put on the same level as the Taliban. Makes me sick.
My prayers to the fallen officers families. They have to live with what that subhuman piece of shit did. May he rot in everlasting pain in Hell. +1 The internet has become the ax grinder's favorite venue |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. It can not be brought home any better than your post. 
Prayer to the families of the fallen. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. It can not be brought home any better than your post.
Prayer to the families of the fallen. ...and that's where the focus needs to be. I am done arguing with the faceless (as jmay622133 put it) "space shuttle door gunners." Rest in peace Sergeant Mark Renninger, Officer Tina Griswold, Officer Ron Owen and Officer Mark Richards 
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. It can not be brought home any better than your post.
Prayer to the families of the fallen. ...and that's where the focus needs to be. I am done arguing with the faceless (as jmay622133 put it) "space shuttle door gunners." Rest in peace Sergeant Mark Renninger, Officer Tina Griswold, Officer Ron Owen and Officer Mark Richards http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/BrettGrieve/patchphp.jpg +1 |
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Here is a link to info on making donations to the fallen Officer's families. Or call Lakewood PD for more info.
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-112909-donateofficersfamilies,0,1063812.story If the link does not work, here it is cold. If someone has a better link, please feel free to post it. http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-112909-donateofficersfamilies,0,1063812.story If you'd like to help the families of the slain officers you can make a donation. The Lakewood Police Independent Guild has set up a benevolent fund for the families of the four officers killed Sunday morning. You can donate on the Guild's web page or by visiting Forza Coffee's website. We've included links to both sites within this web page. You can also mail a check to: LPIG Benevolent Fund PO Box 99579 Lakewood, WA 98499 (Make out the checks to the "LPIG Benevolent Fund") The president of the Lakewood Police Independent Guild issued this statement Sunday about the benevolent fund and the attack on the officers: This morning a complete coward and threat upon all of society took the lives of four of my Guild members and your sworn protectors in a cold blooded assassination. As I write this I am numb. We were dealt a nasty blow, good men and women I have had the honor of knowing for years are senselessly gone. There is no way to comprehend it, to validate it, or to make sense of any of it. You cannot understand evil like this, as a community we must form a solid bond against criminals and hold them accountable. I know my members and can say with certainty that as a group we will remain professional and will continue to work to protect those of you we have taken an oath to protect. If you know a cop tell them how much you appreciate them, it truly keeps us going. Please pray for these officers and their families. All of them had significant others and children who are left behind. As a Guild we will do anything we can. If you want to donate to the families our Guild has a benevolent account. Every penny will go to the families; if you want to donate to a specific officer you can write his or her name in the memo section. If the check is made out to LPIG Benevolent Fund at PO Box 99579 Lakewood, WA 98499. I will personally make sure it goes where it is intended. May God bless you four who are in a place so much better than this; you are some of the finest professionals I have ever known. God bless our community today. Brian D. Wurts, President Lakewood Police Independent Guild |
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If an 8 page, god knows how many word, pit thread does not clear this up then I have to yield. I did not like the way the the horde was celebrating a guys death, calling him a murderer, when he did not go to court and get convicted. I did not like people saying "good shoot" before ANY details came out about what is now know as a justified, self defense shooting which occurred. Read the pit thread to understand this, if you can't then go pound sand. My pit thread really does sum it up. I am sorry that two or three of you LEO's got your dicks stepped on because I did not have to wait 10 years nor be a peace officer to participate in a SWAT environment. Go get your paramedic cert and see if that bumps you up on the candidate roster. I am started to understand some of the LEO stereotypes. Norcal, tango... I did not want this shit in the BOTS forum, but this flashbang ingrate decided to whore for support at every venue he could after getting punched in the taco in the pit. |
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Quoted: Quoted: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=130&t=963186 read up and decide for yourself. Apparently some people think that standing up for a suspects right for a fair trail equates as encouraging murder. The same person believes that asking the mob to wait until trial to condemn the accused is bullshit as well. That damn bill of rights... always in the way(?) I'd say you're also advocating that police shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in a lethal force encounter. If this officer would have hesitated, he would be dead. You weep for the suspect and the fact that he "didn't get a fair trial." The suspect gave up the right to a fair trial when he tried to kill a 5th police officer. How about instead of weeping for this monster and the deprivation of his "rights," you weep for the 9 children who are now without parents. read the pit thread. I give evidence directly to the contrary in several posts. |
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Quoted: Defending the criminal and bashing LEO is the ARFCOM troll's favorite thing to do. Funny how I only encounter this on the internet and not in the real world. The community I serve is very pro LE and respectful of our work. In turn we respect our community. Here on the internet we are deamonized to put on the same level as the Taliban. Makes me sick. My prayers to the fallen officers families. They have to live with what that subhuman piece of shit did. May he rot in everlasting pain in Hell. For the love of god, stop the pity party. Read the pit thread... all I see is a showboating cop showing his ass to the world. |
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Quoted: hey viktor, tell them all about your days as a "swat medic"   its amazing how many space shuttle door gunners one website can have. holy crap... enter one of the "dicks stepped" on people. you are like a little remora, riding a virtuous person as long as you can. Log off, go make something of yourself, come back. |
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I don't know when it became OK to participate in pissing matches and GD area carry-over beefs in BOTS... I must have missed the memo.
I will simply say this: The next thread I have to lock because of this kind of BS will result in some restrictions and account locks on both sides of the fence. |