Posted: 6/19/2009 2:35:27 PM EDT
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FOP UPDATE ON LEGISLATION AMENDING LEOSA
Senator Patrick J. Leahy (D-VT), Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, introduced S. 1132, the "Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act Amendments Act," just before the Memorial Day recess. Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), a senior member of the Judiciary Committee and Minority Whip, is the lead Republican cosponsor. The bill aims to make improvements to the Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act (LEOSA), especially with respect to retired law enforcement officers, and it was drafted in close cooperation with staff in the National Legislative Office. Chairman Leahy's staff has told us that they hope to move the bill through the committee before the end of the month The legislation would amend the LEOSA in several ways. To begin with, the bill would expand the exemption to any ammunition not specifically prohibited by Federal law. The new language would also expressly include law enforcement officers employed by the Amtrak Police Department (APD). Under current law, these officers are not “employees of a governmental agency” (despite the fact that APD is widely considered to be a Federal law enforcement agency) and thus do not currently meet the definition of “qualified active or retired law enforcement officer.” In addition to APD officers, all law enforcement officers employed by the executive branch of the Federal government will be defined as “qualified active or retired law enforcement officers.” This language is intended to make absolutely clear that civilian Federal law enforcement officers (any employee categorized as a “police officer” by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM)) are to be exempt from local and State prohibitions on the carriage of concealed firearms. We hope that this will clarify the contention of certain Federal agencies and Departments which do not share the FOP’s opinion that their officers meet the definitions in current law. The remaining language would amend 18 USC 926C, which defines “qualified retired law enforcement officers” and provides them with the exemption to local and State prohibitions on the carriage of concealed firearms. The new bill would delete the term “retired” and replace it throughout the law with “separated from service.” This will clarify that officers who do not officially “retire” from their agency still qualify for the exemption. The bill would also reduce the aggregate number of years of service from fifteen (15) to ten (10). The most significant changes proposed by the bill address the problems encountered by retired law enforcement officers who have difficulty in obtaining the paperwork they need to demonstrate that they have qualified with the firearm they choose to carry. While Federal legislation is not a substitute for proper implementation of procedures to qualify retired officers at the State or agency level, we do believe the legislation will benefit those officers in States which are refusing to certify retired officers. The new language would provide that a “qualified retired law enforcement officer” would have to meet “the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers as set by the officer’s former agency, the State in which the officer resides or, if the State has not established such standards, a law enforcement agency within the State in which the officer resides.” The officer would still have to meet these qualifications annually. The bill would allow the document certifying the officer’s qualification to be issued by the State in which the individual resides (which is the case in current law) OR by a “certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State.” It is the intention of the bill and our expectation that this will help retired officers who reside in States which have failed to implement procedures by which they can obtain the documents needed to lawfully carry under existing Federal law. |
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qualification training that has been approved by the Maryland PoliceLEOSA CERTIFICATION FOR RETIRED OFFICERS I. Purpose: The purpose of this policy is to establish guidelines for the implementation of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (LEOSA) for officers who have retired from _____________________________________. II. Policy: A. It is the policy of _______________ to implement LEOSA for its qualified retired officers. B. It is the policy of _______________ to provide retired officers with a photographic identification card. C. It is the policy of ______________ that, prior to issuing LEOSA certification to its retired officers, it will establish that those retired officers meet LEOSA’s qualification criteria by either accepting the retired officers’ self-attestation that they meet the qualification criteria or by conducting an investigation. D. It is the policy of _______________ to provide its qualified retired officers the opportunity to meet this department’s standards for annual firearms training and qualification for active duty officers. E. For qualified retired officers who meet this department’s standards for annual firearms training and qualification, it is the policy of _______________ to issue them photographic identification indicating that they have met this department’s annual firearms training and qualification standards. The card will include: name of qualified retired officer; expiration date; firearm type(s); and advice that the card must be carried while carrying the concealed firearm. F. It is the policy of _______________ to advise all qualified retired officers that, while LEOSA certification exempts them from State laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms, LEOSA certification gives them absolutely no law enforcement authority, no statutory or qualified immunity for their actions, no right to possess a firearm in violation of federal law, and no exemption from State laws restricting the possession of concealed firearms o Training Commission (MPTC). B. Certified firearms instructor. Individual who meets the firearms instructor certification standards set forth in MPTC regulations. C. LEOSA. Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (formerly known as “H.R. 218”); federal law generally exempting qualified current and retireddepartment or entity, so long as the training meets the MPTC’s standards for approved firearms training and is conducted by MPTC certified firearms instructor(s). D. Departments may provide LEOSA training to any department’s retired officers. Departments may conduct LEOSA training even if they choose not to issue LEOSA certification. E. In order to maximize safety both on the firearms range and in public, firearms instructors should perform a safety check on all firearms before they are used on the range. F. Firearms instructors should restrict firearms holster types used during training and qualification, to those that can be safely used on the range. G. Because retirees may not have handled a firearm for several years, firearms instructors may provide skills refresher training and additional firearm handling training before conducting live fire. H. Firearms training for retirees should be conducted separately from active duty officers to avoid giving retirees the impression that they have the same authority as active duty officers. I. Firearms training for retirees should include instruction on their lack of law enforcement authority and their personal liability for using force; both differ greatly from the authority and liability of active officers. J. Training for active duty officers must include the department’s policy regarding wearing, carrying, and transporting an agency-issued firearm or authorized off-duty firearm while out of jurisdiction. Training should focus on how to respond if challenged by law enforcement from another jurisdiction. V. Relevant Law: A. Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (“LEOSA”), 18 U.S.C., § 926. B. Policethe Stì<× law enforcement officers from State law restrictions on carrying concealed firearms. D. LEOSA Certification. Recognition by either the department from which an officer retired or the State of Maryland that the retired officer meets LEOSA’s qualification criteria and has met either: 1) the department’s annual firearms training and qualification standards for active officers; or 2) the State’s annual firearms training and qualification standards. E. Qualification. Achieving a passing score during live fire utilizing the same target, ammunition, and course required of active law enforcement officers qualifying with off-duty firearms. F. Qualification criteria. Eligibility criteria of 18 U.S.C. §926C(c) that retired officers must meet for LEOSA certification. G. Qualified retired law enforcement officer. An officer who has retired in good standing from service with a public law enforcement agency and meets the LEOSA eligibility criteria of 18 U.S.C. §926C(c). IV. Guiding Principles: A. Law enforcement agencies are not required to conduct LEOSA training for, or issue LEOSA certification to, their retirees. B. Retired law enforcement officers may obtain LEOSA certification issued either by the department from which they retired or – if they reside in Maryland - by the State of Maryland. Departments may issue LEOSA certification only to their own retirees. The Department of State Police is the sole State entity authorized to issue LEOSA certification by the State of |
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UPDATE ON LEGISLATION AMENDING LEOSA
We currently have two (2) cosponsors on S. 1132, the "Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act Improvement Act." We are currently working with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill. |
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There should be a requirement that agencies MUST give retired credentials,and MUST give retirees the opportunity to shoot each years. I can see my boss not handing out I.D.s and I know for sure retirees have NO chance to shoot here. The main agency here will positively NOT allow anyone but their own retirees to shoot- even with offer to pay. Just for a card that says' they shot this year"
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NYPD does suck here is a link to ROCKLAND county and yes they will honor NYC RETIRED hope this helps i have not been there yet but several retired NYPD no problems.
Retired Officers Qualification 2009 Course Dates/Times/Registration Information The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy, located in Rockland County, NY will be conducting handgun qualification courses for retired officers. The course of fire is a law enforcement qualification course utilized by police academies in the state. After firing a passing score the retired officer will be issued a card. The card states that the retired officer passed a qualification course, the date, a photo of the retired officer, the type of firearm used (revolver or semi-automatic or both) and a phone number for the Rockland County Sheriffs Communications Center, manned 24/7, that can be called to verify the information shown on the card. The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy can not predict how this card will or will not be honored by law enforcement officers in any state. The card does, in fact, attest to the fact that the retired officer has qualified and the date and circumstances of the qualification. To register: Download all the required forms. Forms will not be mailed out. You must have the affidavit notarized and bring it with you to the range. Select the date and starting time from the listing below and complete the Registration. Date Day Time June 22 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 23 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 24 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 13 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 14 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. July 15 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 3 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 4 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 5 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. September 8 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. September 9 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 5 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 6 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. November 2 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. November 3 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. Rockland County Police Academy Information Sheet For Officers Retired from Departments Outside of Rockland County Fee: $50 for one weapon or $90 for two weapons Payable in cash, check or money order. The Rockland County Police Academy has established a range qualification program for retired officers. On scheduled dates and times, Academy range personnel will conduct the New York State qualification course of fire as published (50 rounds required). All times and scoring requirements will be adhered to as published. A passing score of 175 out of 250 points is required for passing. Upon successful completion of the course of fire a photo ID card similar to the one below will be issued. ANNUAL FIREARMS QUALIFICATION CARD Rockland County Police Academy Pomona, New York 10970 On _________________________Retired Officer: _____________________________________________ Successfully fired a law enforcement Handgun Qualification Course; using the following firearms: Semi-Automatic �� Revolver �� Signed: ________________________________ Academy Firearms Instructor To participate in this program, you must register on line and receive a confirmation of the date and time for you to appear at the range facility. Once scheduled, your position will be held unless you cancel at least 24 hours prior to your appointment. Officers who retired from out of county departments will be charged $50.00 for one firearm or $90.00 for two firearms during the same range visit. This fee is payable in cash, check or money order made out to Comm. of Finance/Police Academy. If you qualify on a semi-automatic, your qualification is good for any semi-automatic. If you qualify on a revolver, your qualification is good for any revolver. If you wish to qualify with both a semi-automatic and a revolver, bring one of each weapon. If you wish to qualify on one weapon, a semi-automatic or a revolver, just bring that one weapon. These fees are due regardless of the outcome of the qualification. All fees will be collected prior to qualification firing. Should a retired officer fail to qualify on the first attempt, that individual will be provided a second attempt with the same firearm, during that range visit, at no additional charge, unless prevented by extenuating circumstances. Each retired officer will be required to provide the following items: A valid NEW YORK Pistol Permit or a current Retired Officers Qualification Certification card. A current retired photo ID from your former department. A notarized affidavit (Download from this site) A safe, functional firearm (handgun). A safe, functional holster. No crossdraw, shoulder or ankle holsters. A minimum of 50 rounds of FACTORY ammunition (no reloads) per firearm. Reloading devices if desired for revolvers, required for semi-automatics. Safety equipment: Wraparound eye protection, hearing protection and a baseball type hat. * *A limited number of eye and hearing protectors are available for loan. 2009 Qualification AFFIDAVIT State of ___________ ___ ____ SS: County of ____________ _____ ___________________________________________________ being duly sworn, deposes and says: (Print Name) 1. That I make this affidavit is support of my application for qualification with a handgun at the Rockland County Firearms Training Facility; 2. That I reside at: ___________________________________________________________________ (Address) __________________________, ____________________________ ___________________ (City) (State) (Zip Code) 3. That I retired from the following public agency as a law enforcement officer: ___________________________________________________________________________; 4. That my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, was not for reasons of mental instability; 5. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was in good standing with said agency; 6. That prior to the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person of, any violation of law, and had statutory powers of arrest; 7. That prior to my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I (check one) (A) ______ was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 15 years or more; or, (B) ______ retired from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency; 8. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I had a non-forfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan of such agency; 9. That I am not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; 10. That I am not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm; and, 11. That, since my retirement in good standing from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I have not been involved in any action, event or condition that, if considered prior to my retirement, would have prevented me from retiring in good standing. ________________________________________________ Name: Sworn to before me this day of _______________________, 200______. ___________________________________ (Notary public) 2009 Qualification QUALIFICATION COURSE OF FIRE Fifty (50) round course with the dominated hand. Target used is the NYSP B-27 target. A passing score of 70 percent (175 of a possible 250) with factory ammunition is required. �� 3 yard line – 12 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 2 – 6 rounds fired in 6 seconds �� 7 yard line – 18 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 1 – 12 rounds fired in 25 seconds with one reload �� 15 yard line – 12 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload �� 25 yard line – 8 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload Additional Information regarding firearms and qualification may be obtained by calling the range at 845-786-7490 |
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NYPD does suck here is a link to ROCKLAND county and yes they will honor NYC RETIRED hope this helps i have not been there yet but several retired NYPD no problems.
Retired Officers Qualification 2009 Course Dates/Times/Registration Information The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy, located in Rockland County, NY will be conducting handgun qualification courses for retired officers. The course of fire is a law enforcement qualification course utilized by police academies in the state. After firing a passing score the retired officer will be issued a card. The card states that the retired officer passed a qualification course, the date, a photo of the retired officer, the type of firearm used (revolver or semi-automatic or both) and a phone number for the Rockland County Sheriffs Communications Center, manned 24/7, that can be called to verify the information shown on the card. The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy can not predict how this card will or will not be honored by law enforcement officers in any state. The card does, in fact, attest to the fact that the retired officer has qualified and the date and circumstances of the qualification. To register: Download all the required forms. Forms will not be mailed out. You must have the affidavit notarized and bring it with you to the range. Select the date and starting time from the listing below and complete the Registration. Date Day Time June 22 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 23 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 24 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 13 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 14 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. July 15 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 3 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 4 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 5 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. September 8 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. September 9 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 5 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 6 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. November 2 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. November 3 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. Rockland County Police Academy Information Sheet For Officers Retired from Departments Outside of Rockland County Fee: $50 for one weapon or $90 for two weapons Payable in cash, check or money order. The Rockland County Police Academy has established a range qualification program for retired officers. On scheduled dates and times, Academy range personnel will conduct the New York State qualification course of fire as published (50 rounds required). All times and scoring requirements will be adhered to as published. A passing score of 175 out of 250 points is required for passing. Upon successful completion of the course of fire a photo ID card similar to the one below will be issued. ANNUAL FIREARMS QUALIFICATION CARD Rockland County Police Academy Pomona, New York 10970 On _________________________Retired Officer: _____________________________________________ Successfully fired a law enforcement Handgun Qualification Course; using the following firearms: Semi-Automatic �� Revolver �� Signed: ________________________________ Academy Firearms Instructor To participate in this program, you must register on line and receive a confirmation of the date and time for you to appear at the range facility. Once scheduled, your position will be held unless you cancel at least 24 hours prior to your appointment. Officers who retired from out of county departments will be charged $50.00 for one firearm or $90.00 for two firearms during the same range visit. This fee is payable in cash, check or money order made out to Comm. of Finance/Police Academy. If you qualify on a semi-automatic, your qualification is good for any semi-automatic. If you qualify on a revolver, your qualification is good for any revolver. If you wish to qualify with both a semi-automatic and a revolver, bring one of each weapon. If you wish to qualify on one weapon, a semi-automatic or a revolver, just bring that one weapon. These fees are due regardless of the outcome of the qualification. All fees will be collected prior to qualification firing. Should a retired officer fail to qualify on the first attempt, that individual will be provided a second attempt with the same firearm, during that range visit, at no additional charge, unless prevented by extenuating circumstances. Each retired officer will be required to provide the following items: A valid NEW YORK Pistol Permit or a current Retired Officers Qualification Certification card. A current retired photo ID from your former department. A notarized affidavit (Download from this site) A safe, functional firearm (handgun). A safe, functional holster. No crossdraw, shoulder or ankle holsters. A minimum of 50 rounds of FACTORY ammunition (no reloads) per firearm. Reloading devices if desired for revolvers, required for semi-automatics. Safety equipment: Wraparound eye protection, hearing protection and a baseball type hat. * *A limited number of eye and hearing protectors are available for loan. 2009 Qualification AFFIDAVIT State of ___________ ___ ____ SS: County of ____________ _____ ___________________________________________________ being duly sworn, deposes and says: (Print Name) 1. That I make this affidavit is support of my application for qualification with a handgun at the Rockland County Firearms Training Facility; 2. That I reside at: ___________________________________________________________________ (Address) __________________________, ____________________________ ___________________ (City) (State) (Zip Code) 3. That I retired from the following public agency as a law enforcement officer: ___________________________________________________________________________; 4. That my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, was not for reasons of mental instability; 5. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was in good standing with said agency; 6. That prior to the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person of, any violation of law, and had statutory powers of arrest; 7. That prior to my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I (check one) (A) ______ was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 15 years or more; or, (B) ______ retired from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency; 8. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I had a non-forfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan of such agency; 9. That I am not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; 10. That I am not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm; and, 11. That, since my retirement in good standing from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I have not been involved in any action, event or condition that, if considered prior to my retirement, would have prevented me from retiring in good standing. ________________________________________________ Name: Sworn to before me this day of _______________________, 200______. ___________________________________ (Notary public) 2009 Qualification QUALIFICATION COURSE OF FIRE Fifty (50) round course with the dominated hand. Target used is the NYSP B-27 target. A passing score of 70 percent (175 of a possible 250) with factory ammunition is required. �� 3 yard line – 12 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 2 – 6 rounds fired in 6 seconds �� 7 yard line – 18 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 1 – 12 rounds fired in 25 seconds with one reload �� 15 yard line – 12 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload �� 25 yard line – 8 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload Additional Information regarding firearms and qualification may be obtained by calling the range at 845-786-7490 Yeah?? Hate to say it but.... I went there and while they issue their own (Rockland PD) retirees cards that say they are HR218 certified. Other agency retirees pay $50 to get a card that says they shot their cycle  . Getting LE retirees to shell out pension dollars to fund Rockland PD's new range by handing out useless plastic is almost worse that NYPD refusing their own.
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NYPD does suck here is a link to ROCKLAND county and yes they will honor NYC RETIRED hope this helps i have not been there yet but several retired NYPD no problems.
Retired Officers Qualification 2009 Course Dates/Times/Registration Information The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy, located in Rockland County, NY will be conducting handgun qualification courses for retired officers. The course of fire is a law enforcement qualification course utilized by police academies in the state. After firing a passing score the retired officer will be issued a card. The card states that the retired officer passed a qualification course, the date, a photo of the retired officer, the type of firearm used (revolver or semi-automatic or both) and a phone number for the Rockland County Sheriffs Communications Center, manned 24/7, that can be called to verify the information shown on the card. The Rockland County Police and Public Safety Academy can not predict how this card will or will not be honored by law enforcement officers in any state. The card does, in fact, attest to the fact that the retired officer has qualified and the date and circumstances of the qualification. To register: Download all the required forms. Forms will not be mailed out. You must have the affidavit notarized and bring it with you to the range. Select the date and starting time from the listing below and complete the Registration. Date Day Time June 22 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 23 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. June 24 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 13 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. July 14 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. July 15 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 3 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 4 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. August 5 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. September 8 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. September 9 Wednesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 5 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. October 6 Tuesday 9:30 a.m. 11 a.m. November 2 Monday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. November 3 Tuesday 8 a.m. 9:30 a.m. Rockland County Police Academy Information Sheet For Officers Retired from Departments Outside of Rockland County Fee: $50 for one weapon or $90 for two weapons Payable in cash, check or money order. The Rockland County Police Academy has established a range qualification program for retired officers. On scheduled dates and times, Academy range personnel will conduct the New York State qualification course of fire as published (50 rounds required). All times and scoring requirements will be adhered to as published. A passing score of 175 out of 250 points is required for passing. Upon successful completion of the course of fire a photo ID card similar to the one below will be issued. ANNUAL FIREARMS QUALIFICATION CARD Rockland County Police Academy Pomona, New York 10970 On _________________________Retired Officer: _____________________________________________ Successfully fired a law enforcement Handgun Qualification Course; using the following firearms: Semi-Automatic �� Revolver �� Signed: ________________________________ Academy Firearms Instructor To participate in this program, you must register on line and receive a confirmation of the date and time for you to appear at the range facility. Once scheduled, your position will be held unless you cancel at least 24 hours prior to your appointment. Officers who retired from out of county departments will be charged $50.00 for one firearm or $90.00 for two firearms during the same range visit. This fee is payable in cash, check or money order made out to Comm. of Finance/Police Academy. If you qualify on a semi-automatic, your qualification is good for any semi-automatic. If you qualify on a revolver, your qualification is good for any revolver. If you wish to qualify with both a semi-automatic and a revolver, bring one of each weapon. If you wish to qualify on one weapon, a semi-automatic or a revolver, just bring that one weapon. These fees are due regardless of the outcome of the qualification. All fees will be collected prior to qualification firing. Should a retired officer fail to qualify on the first attempt, that individual will be provided a second attempt with the same firearm, during that range visit, at no additional charge, unless prevented by extenuating circumstances. Each retired officer will be required to provide the following items: A valid NEW YORK Pistol Permit or a current Retired Officers Qualification Certification card. A current retired photo ID from your former department. A notarized affidavit (Download from this site) A safe, functional firearm (handgun). A safe, functional holster. No crossdraw, shoulder or ankle holsters. A minimum of 50 rounds of FACTORY ammunition (no reloads) per firearm. Reloading devices if desired for revolvers, required for semi-automatics. Safety equipment: Wraparound eye protection, hearing protection and a baseball type hat. * *A limited number of eye and hearing protectors are available for loan. 2009 Qualification AFFIDAVIT State of ___________ ___ ____ SS: County of ____________ _____ ___________________________________________________ being duly sworn, deposes and says: (Print Name) 1. That I make this affidavit is support of my application for qualification with a handgun at the Rockland County Firearms Training Facility; 2. That I reside at: ___________________________________________________________________ (Address) __________________________, ____________________________ ___________________ (City) (State) (Zip Code) 3. That I retired from the following public agency as a law enforcement officer: ___________________________________________________________________________; 4. That my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, was not for reasons of mental instability; 5. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was in good standing with said agency; 6. That prior to the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I was authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of any person of, any violation of law, and had statutory powers of arrest; 7. That prior to my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I (check one) (A) ______ was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 15 years or more; or, (B) ______ retired from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency; 8. That at the time of my retirement from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I had a non-forfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan of such agency; 9. That I am not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; 10. That I am not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm; and, 11. That, since my retirement in good standing from the agency listed in Paragraph 3, above, I have not been involved in any action, event or condition that, if considered prior to my retirement, would have prevented me from retiring in good standing. ________________________________________________ Name: Sworn to before me this day of _______________________, 200______. ___________________________________ (Notary public) 2009 Qualification QUALIFICATION COURSE OF FIRE Fifty (50) round course with the dominated hand. Target used is the NYSP B-27 target. A passing score of 70 percent (175 of a possible 250) with factory ammunition is required. �� 3 yard line – 12 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 2 – 6 rounds fired in 6 seconds �� 7 yard line – 18 rounds fired in two phases: Phase # 1 – 6 rounds fired in two round increments – no time limit Phase # 1 – 12 rounds fired in 25 seconds with one reload �� 15 yard line – 12 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload �� 25 yard line – 8 rounds fired in 40 seconds with one reload Additional Information regarding firearms and qualification may be obtained by calling the range at 845-786-7490 Yeah?? Hate to say it but.... I went there and while they issue their own (Rockland PD) retirees cards that say they are HR218 certified. Other agency retirees pay $50 to get a card that says they shot their cycle . Getting LE retirees to shell out pension dollars to fund Rockland PD's new range by handing out useless plastic is almost worse that NYPD refusing their own.
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Finding a place to qualify is one of the biggest headaches of this law.
I moved to Florida after retiring from an New Jersey PD. It took about 2 years for Florida to legislate a program to comply with HR-218 but the only persons authorized to do the certification are those certified by the Florida Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission. The problem is that the standards to be qualified as a certified CJSTC instructor are far above that of an NRA instructor. I would say the vast majority of them are active T.O.'s in their respective departments. None of the departments in my area have made any program available to Officers outside their department for qualification under HR-218. I understand the liability angle that they worry about, not that I agree with it but I can understand it, because my own PD in NJ would not qualify our own. As bad as NJ is regarding firearms it did allow NRA instructors to register with the NJSP and authorize them to administer the firearms qualification. What is really needed to improve this law is a mandate that local departments allow the qualification of retired officers. How hard could it be to either set up one or two days a year or work a few retired guys into the line during regular qualification shoots. I wouldn't mind a nominal fee to cover the cost of the paper work. |
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Finding a place to qualify is one of the biggest headaches of this law. I moved to Florida after retiring from an New Jersey PD. It took about 2 years for Florida to legislate a program to comply with HR-218 but the only persons authorized to do the certification are those certified by the Florida Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission. The problem is that the standards to be qualified as a certified CJSTC instructor are far above that of an NRA instructor. I would say the vast majority of them are active T.O.'s in their respective departments. None of the departments in my area have made any program available to Officers outside their department for qualification under HR-218. I understand the liability angle that they worry about, not that I agree with it but I can understand it, because my own PD in NJ would not qualify our own. As bad as NJ is regarding firearms it did allow NRA instructors to register with the NJSP and authorize them to administer the firearms qualification. What is really needed to improve this law is a mandate that local departments allow the qualification of retired officers. How hard could it be to either set up one or two days a year or work a few retired guys into the line during regular qualification shoots. I wouldn't mind a nominal fee to cover the cost of the paper work. Agreed, this amendment is supposed to do this... |
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The legislation would amend the LEOSA in several ways. To begin with, the bill would expand the exemption to any ammunition not specifically prohibited by Federal law. The new language would also expressly include law enforcement officers employed by the Amtrak Police Department (APD). Under current law, these officers are not “employees of a governmental agency” (despite the fact that APD is widely considered to be a Federal law enforcement agency) and thus do not currently meet the definition of “qualified active or retired law enforcement officer.”
In addition to APD officers, all law enforcement officers employed by the executive branch of the Federal government will be defined as “qualified active or retired law enforcement officers.” This language is intended to make absolutely clear that civilian Federal law enforcement officers (any employee categorized as a “police officer” by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM)) are to be exempt from local and State prohibitions on the carriage of concealed firearms. We hope that this will clarify the contention of certain Federal agencies and Departments which do not share the FOP’s opinion that their officers meet the definitions in current law. The remaining language would amend 18 USC 926C, which defines “qualified retired law enforcement officers” and provides them with the exemption to local and State prohibitions on the carriage of concealed firearms. The new bill would delete the term “retired” and replace it throughout the law with “separated from service.” This will clarify that officers who do not officially “retire” from their agency still qualify for the exemption. The bill would also reduce the aggregate number of years of service from fifteen (15) to ten (10). The most significant changes proposed by the bill address the problems encountered by retired law enforcement officers who have difficulty in obtaining the paperwork they need to demonstrate that they have qualified with the firearm they choose to carry. While Federal legislation is not a substitute for proper implementation of procedures to qualify retired officers at the State or agency level, we do believe the legislation will benefit those officers in States which are refusing to certify retired officers. The new language would provide that a “qualified retired law enforcement officer” would have to meet “the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers as set by the officer’s former agency, the State in which the officer resides or, if the State has not established such standards, a law enforcement agency within the State in which the officer resides.” The officer would still have to meet these qualifications annually. The bill would allow the document certifying the officer’s qualification to be issued by the State in which the individual resides (which is the case in current law) OR by a “certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State.” It is the intention of the bill and our expectation that this will help retired officers who reside in States which have failed to implement procedures by which they can obtain the documents needed to lawfully carry under existing Federal law. |
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Two questions: - Would the retiree still have to qualify for a pension? [Some small communities stopped their pension programs years ago due to financial issues.] - What can FORCE a PD to issue a "retiree ID"? [MA enacted CMRs (like CFRs) that specifically do NOT require any chief to issue a retiree ID and furthermore the IDs expire every year, so many retirees must beg their former department for an ID annually. The chair of the committee that wrote these requirements publicly stated that "not every LEO should be allowed to CCW after they retire!!!"  ]
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Also is there anything in this proposal that will FORCE a state to allow ANY qualified retiree to "qualify" annually?
MA wrote their CMRs specifically to PROHIBIT any Fed LEO or any non-MA State Police, non-MA Municipal PO from qualifying within the state. So any retirees who served in another state can not legally get qualified in MA, nor can many more people who were LEOs in MA but didn't serve with the MSP or a municipal agency within MA. |
| I don't think Rockland is trying to pull anything over on any non Rockland retirees, it is stated in their website about the difference between Rockland and non Rockland retirees, if a non Rockland retire and your former department won't qualify you then either you don't carry, carry without any card or you get the Rockland card, if you have a problem I feel you are better off with it than without it. So far the case law has been just for active LEOs and all has been in favor of HR218. Hopefully all retirees stay out of making case law, but time will tell. |
| There was nothing wrong with the way LEOSA was written in the first place. And, there is no language you can put into it that will change the minds of state and local governments, and agency heads, who opposed it, and who will continue to do anything, legal or illegal, that is in their power, to thwart it or keep it from working as intended, no matter how its amended. |
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Robert, Two questions: - Would the retiree still have to qualify for a pension? [Some small communities stopped their pension programs years ago due to financial issues.] - What can FORCE a PD to issue a "retiree ID"? [MA enacted CMRs (like CFRs) that specifically do NOT require any chief to issue a retiree ID and furthermore the IDs expire every year, so many retirees must beg their former department for an ID annually. The chair of the committee that wrote these requirements publicly stated that "not every LEO should be allowed to CCW after they retire!!!" ]
It seems the new legislation will not require a pension... Also they do state the Retiree ID card cannot be expired... But at the end of the day we need to wait and see the legislation that passes. One thing for sure we all become retirees some day and the active FOP is looking to help us all... Hope this makes way for the ultimate full faith and credit of any state pistol license being honored the way a drivers license is. |
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Also is there anything in this proposal that will FORCE a state to allow ANY qualified retiree to "qualify" annually? MA wrote their CMRs specifically to PROHIBIT any Fed LEO or any non-MA State Police, non-MA Municipal PO from qualifying within the state. So any retirees who served in another state can not legally get qualified in MA, nor can many more people who were LEOs in MA but didn't serve with the MSP or a municipal agency within MA. Yes I think that the point is that if you qualify at a course equaling state requiremets you qualify. The problem is it is difficult when the state or municiple agencies are working against you. This will make it alot easier. Let's hope it passes... |
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I don't think Rockland is trying to pull anything over on any non Rockland retirees, it is stated in their website about the difference between Rockland and non Rockland retirees, if a non Rockland retire and your former department won't qualify you then either you don't carry, carry without any card or you get the Rockland card, if you have a problem I feel you are better off with it than without it. So far the case law has been just for active LEOs and all has been in favor of HR218. Hopefully all retirees stay out of making case law, but time will tell. Yes they are a little more up front. When I went it was in the fine print and I felt along with the other retirees that we got snookered by our own.... |
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There was nothing wrong with the way LEOSA was written in the first place. And, there is no language you can put into it that will change the minds of state and local governments, and agency heads, who opposed it, and who will continue to do anything, legal or illegal, that is in their power, to thwart it or keep it from working as intended, no matter how its amended. Maybe a little tougher but if you legislate that you can be certified by a NRA instructer,the agency approval will be meaningless... Look they can always refuse new retirrees ID cards but most of the current objections are related to liability and costs so if yoyu take those factors out mots retirees will be GTG |
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The bill would allow the document certifying the officer’s qualification to be issued by the State in which the individual resides (which is the case in current law) OR by a “certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State.” It is the intention of the bill and our expectation that this will help retired officers who reside in States which have failed to implement procedures by which they can obtain the documents needed to lawfully carry under existing Federal law. As I'm reading this, this bill would allow private instructors to supervise qualification... It would of course cost money, but you could likely Q without having to mess with an agency's range schedule or politics, at the local gun-shop range.... |
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The bill would allow the document certifying the officer’squalification to be issued by the State in which the individual resides(which is the case in current law) OR by a “certified firearmsinstructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification testfor active duty officers within that State.” It is the intention of thebill and our expectation that this will help retired officers whoreside in States which have failed to implement procedures by whichthey can obtain the documents needed to lawfully carry under existingFederal law. As I'm reading this, this bill would allow private instructors to supervise qualification... It would of course cost money, but you could likely Q without having to mess with an agency's range schedule or politics, at the local gun-shop range.... The point is only that the intention of the law was to insure that the officers were able to establish the same proficiency that they were required to show as active cops. It was not forseen that so many agencies would try and scuttle a retiree's ability to satisfy LEOSA. Some agencies (like the NYPD) are considering (they have not to my knowlege done so) internal administrative rules that can subject you to discipline if you carry out of state. |
| Robert - Thanks for all the info and time you put into this, we all have to work together to try and make HR218 better, there are problems but it is better than not having it. Sad to say that some our biggest problems are from our own, NYPD would like to find a way around having anyone carry off duty or retired, it is a sorry state that top has not changed since years ago a boss stated it was cheaper to have a cop's funeral then a lawsuit. Stay safe and keep up the fight. |
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Robert - Thanks for all the info and time you put into this, we all have to work together to try and make HR218 better, there are problems but it is better than not having it. Sad to say that some our biggest problems are from our own, NYPD would like to find a way around having anyone carry off duty or retired, it is a sorry state that top has not changed since years ago a boss stated it was cheaper to have a cop's funeral then a lawsuit. Stay safe and keep up the fight. Sure thing... I had a thread tacked here for a couple of years until 218 was passed. There was alot more support back then (ll active cops are pretty much covered now). But we all (hopefully) retire and active leos will want this when it's their turn to be a "pest." I went down to 1PP the other day and they don't even let retiree's carry inside anymore... NYC is really the most anti gun anti cop location in the country...... Anyway.. I'll keep the forum posted as updates come along as this issue concerns us all. |
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UPDATE ON LEGISLATION AMENDING LEOSA
We added one (1) new cosponsor, Senator Jefferson B. Sessions III (R-AL), the Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee to S. 1132. We continue to work with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill. |
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Now, if only someone could add a little bit about including reserves, in no uncertain terms...
My agency puts its reserves through the same range quals as full-timers, but refuses to allow HR218 carry by reserve deputies. Whereas the next county over specifically does say in policy that they feel reserves are included under HR218 and may carry off-duty. |
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Now, if only someone could add a little bit about including reserves, in no uncertain terms... My agency puts its reserves through the same range quals as full-timers, but refuses to allow HR218 carry by reserve deputies. Whereas the next county over specifically does say in policy that they feel reserves are included under HR218 and may carry off-duty. I agree. My father was a full time officer with our depatment for about 7 years, then joined our reserves. He finally "retired" from our reserves about two years ago, after over 35 years with my department. But, according to my department, he doesn't qualify for the HR218 carry. |
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Now, if only someone could add a little bit about including reserves, in no uncertain terms... My agency puts its reserves through the same range quals as full-timers, but refuses to allow HR218 carry by reserve deputies. Whereas the next county over specifically does say in policy that they feel reserves are included under HR218 and may carry off-duty. I agree. My father was a full time officer with our depatment for about 7 years, then joined our reserves. He finally "retired" from our reserves about two years ago, after over 35 years with my department. But, according to my department, he doesn't qualify for the HR218 carry. Well, I have to admit, my reasons are not entirely altruistic: I'm a reserve, myself. It's kind of frustrating that I face the same situations as most patrol deputies (excluding SWAT and some special assignments) yet I'm not allowed to protect myself off-duty when I'm outside of my home, unless I do the dance of submitting to another LiveScan background check, taking the CCW class and shooting the range qualification, paying the ridiculous fees (at least a couple hundred dollars for the fees and scans, not counting the class, last I looked), and then writing a "statement of need," to wait on the Sheriff's whim about whether or not I'll be permitted to carry just like most of my coworkers already can, without any of those steps. |
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UPDATE ON LEGISLATION AMENDING LEOSA
We currently have two (2) cosponsors on S. 1132. We continue to work with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill. It is our hope the bill will be introduced prior to the August recess. |
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With Congress out of session, no changes to the status of legislation amending the Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act were possible, however staff in the legislative office continues to work with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill to S. 1132, which was introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) in May. We expect the bill will be introduced when the House returns to session in September
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We currently have two (2) cosponsors on S. 1132.
We continue to work with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill. It is our hope the bill will be introduced very soon. In addition, National Legislative Office staff made contact with the Access Integrity Unit at the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding a regulation change that would allow law enforcement agencies who are conducting qualification trials for retired officers to perform a background check and verify that the officers do not have a Federal firearms disability. The proposed rule was, as a matter of routine, delayed for review after the transition to the new Administration. |
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We currently have two (2) cosponsors on S. 1132.
We continue to work with the staff of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) to introduce the House companion bill. It is our hope the bill will be introduced very soon. In addition, National Legislative Office staff made contact with the Access Integrity Unit at the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding a regulation change that would allow law enforcement agencies who are conducting qualification trials for retired officers to perform a background check and verify that the officers do not have a Federal firearms disability. The proposed rule was, as a matter of routine, delayed for review after the transition to the new Administration. |
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We added one (1) cosponsor, Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), to S. 1132, bringing our current total to three (3).
Staff in the National Legislative Office and in the office of Representative J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) finalized the draft for the House companion bill. It is possible that the bill will be introduced before the House goes into recess for the weekend. If not, Representative Forbes will introduce the bill early next week. |
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Hey guys I'm just passing this info along. You really need to contact the FOP Law Enforcement Legislative Advocacy Center http://www.fop.net/legislative/index.shtml at [email protected] or call (202) 547 - 8189.
Steve Young Law Enforcement Legislative Advocacy Center National Legislative Office 328 Massachusetts Avenue, NE ● Washington, D.C. 20002 202.547.8189 Phone ● 202.547.8190 Fax [email protected] James Pasco Executive Director [email protected] Tim Richardson Senior Legislative Liaison [email protected] Tom Curtin Legislative Liaison / Project Director, Steve Young Memorial Scholarship Program [email protected] Bill Fitzpatrick Legislative Liaison [email protected] Jon Gentile Legislative Liaison [email protected] Janis Gross Administrative Assistant [email protected] Steve Young Law Enforcement Legislative Advocacy Center The Fraternal Order of Police is the largest organization of law enforcement professionals in the United States. The FOP maintains an office in Washington, D.C. on Capitol Hill, where a full-time professional staff actively lobbies Congress and the Administration on the issues most important to rank-and-file law enforcement officers. The National Legislative Program is the most active and comprehensive of any law enforcement organization in Washington. Log in to the Members area to enter the Washington Watch: Grassroots Action Network. Get involved today to help the FOP move our top legislative priorities through the U.S. Congress and find out what you can do in your State! Information on the Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act (LEOSA) Text of H.R. 218 as enacted into law Frequent Asked Questions (FAQ) on LEOSA Attorney General Memorandum: Guidance on the Application of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 to Current and Retired Department of Justice Law Enforcement Officers Archived information on H.R. 218 H.R. 673, the "Law Enforcement Officers Equity Act" The NEW Body Armor Standard: The FOP Perspective Legislative Archives For more information or elaboration, please do not hesitate to contact the National FOP Legislative Office. Washington, D.C. Staff Jim Pasco, Executive Director Tim Richardson, Senior Legislative Liaison Jon Gentile, Legislative Liaison Bill Fitzpatrick, Legislative Liaison Tom Curtin, Project Director, Steve Young Memorial Scholarship Program Janis Gross, Administrative Assistant 328 Massachusetts Avenue, NE Washington, D.C. 20002 (202) 547-8189 Phone (202) 547-8190 Fax [email protected] |