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5/10/2008 8:55:39 PM EDT
im in the process of writing up the my agencies new patrol rifle operators manual, going to include a section on longarm retension, i have my own idea's based on my previous training, interested  in what everone else thinks techs etc...., particularly interested to hear from other weapons/tactics instructors or anyone who know of articles, websites or stuff online .


thanks all
5/10/2008 9:12:30 PM EDT
[#1]
A tac sling is the easiest form

Not so sure about what you could write about or waste the time to include other than slinging. It is a long gun and not something that is easily controlled as compared to a holstered handgun.

5/11/2008 3:42:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Um, I think you should treat a long gun as you would a hand gun, if the suspect gets close enough to take it away from you and you can't or don't have time to reholster and secure it's fast approaching a deadly force situation.
5/11/2008 5:09:12 PM EDT
[#3]
We had some pretty specific techniques in our academy defensive tactics, which went beyond 'just sling it' or 'just shoot em'.

I don't think it should be released on a public forum, but if you contact Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services, possibly on agency letterhead, they may be willing to help.
5/11/2008 5:21:57 PM EDT
[#4]
thankyou
5/11/2008 6:12:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Scratch that, it wasn't helpful.
5/11/2008 6:29:00 PM EDT
[#6]
you could bury the muzzel into the ground while you're going for another option.

I don't see how "shoot him" isn't an option if he's trying to get your gun.
5/11/2008 6:46:41 PM EDT
[#7]
You'd have to include more options than simply shooting the suspect. Just like how we teach officers to defend pistol take-aways using more than just lethal force, the same holds true for teaching officer's long gun retention. I wrote a brief article on this a number of years ago when I was teaching some material up at Ft Bragg. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.
5/11/2008 8:38:34 PM EDT
[#8]
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You'd have to include more options than simply shooting the suspect. Just like how we teach officers to defend pistol take-aways using more than just lethal force, the same holds true for teaching officer's long gun retention. I wrote a brief article on this a number of years ago when I was teaching some material up at Ft Bragg. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.



That would be good, have my own idea's but any help is appreciated
5/16/2008 1:59:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Look into Jim Lindell's handgun/longgun retention techniques.  You could also check out the NLETC  National Law Enforcement Training Center in Kansas City, MO for more information.  There are specific techniques applied for keeping control of your rifle and disarming a suspect.  And they hurt.
5/16/2008 3:47:41 PM EDT
[#10]
Some of the techniques I was taught are similar to the retention drills for a riot baton.
However we were taught if he grabs the muzzle..give it to him one round at a time.
5/18/2008 11:38:02 AM EDT
[#11]
"Stressfire II ; Advanced Combat Shotgun"   by Mas Ayoob (member? I know he posts here from time to time) has some good info.  Good book.

Stay safe
5/18/2008 12:17:14 PM EDT
[#12]
+1 on requirement for some kind of sling (I prefer single point).  Hand to hand would come into serious play as well, as would butt strokes, muzzle strikes, etc.  Find someone who served in the Marine Corps on your dept.  Thats what I did.
5/18/2008 4:02:43 PM EDT
[#13]
front sights can hurt a lot, thats all i'm sayin'.  If it's deadly force, then anythings open.