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1/30/2008 9:27:49 AM EDT
Ive just read the artical of the officer who was killed in NO and Id like to know if LEOs are encouraged to use lanyards on their duty gun? obviously many weapons dont have a loop but some do. What are your thoughts on this? Pros Cons? Id just like to hear what you guys think about lanyard use. Also what kind of training do you get in weapon retention? If its too detailed or you dont want to put it out on the web I understand. Thanks.


and RIP Officer Cotton
1/30/2008 9:58:04 AM EDT
[#1]
Hell no, would just get caught on shit.
1/30/2008 10:10:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Used to have to wear a lanyard as an MP and it got caught on everything. Door knobs, automobile mirrors on moving vehicles, you name it.  In short it sucked.  Retention is not  an equipment issue it is a training issue.
1/30/2008 10:36:48 AM EDT
[#3]
Knife to their eyes or throat. I have a small curved kbar under my mag puoches.
1/30/2008 11:08:30 AM EDT
[#4]
+1 It get cough on everything. Weapon retention is part of defensive tactics training.
1/30/2008 12:22:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Thats why I carry a BUG...they go to grab my pistol, I trap their hands and reach down to my ankle and get my G27.  If I can't get to that, I have a razor blade knife in my back pocket, and a 4inch folder in my left front pocket.  Also have taser to drive stun if need be to get them off of me.
1/30/2008 12:52:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Lanyard wouldn't stop someone from shooting you with your own gun.   It will keep it from falling to the ground or loosing it in a lake.

I take a weapon retention class,  physical, on the mat class every other year. Should do it every year.  

From what I have read about her murder, she fought with the guy who was twice her size for over 5 minutes.   She must have been  exhausted.  She was obviously tuff.

RIP
1/30/2008 3:06:49 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Retention is not  an equipment issue. It is a training and mindset issue.


Fight like your life depends on it.
1/30/2008 4:23:01 PM EDT
[#8]
those are pretty much the answers i thought you guys would give, i understand the training and it getting caught issue but also after 5 minutes of fighting wouldnt it be easy to grab the cord and pull it back to you or at least throw their aim off, keep em from running off with it? but thanks for the replies!
1/30/2008 5:58:18 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
those are pretty much the answers i thought you guys would give, i understand the training and it getting caught issue but also after 5 minutes of fighting wouldnt it be easy to grab the cord and pull it back to you or at least throw their aim off, keep em from running off with it? but thanks for the replies!

If you didn't have the training and physical strength to prevent them from getting your weapon..you won't have the strength to pull it away from them.
Lanyards are a WWII carry over put in place to prevent officers from losing their sidearm as they stumbled around the battle field trying to decipher a map...
1/30/2008 9:14:32 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Retention is not  an equipment issue. It is a training and mindset issue.


Fight like your life depends on it.


You got it. If I gotta go, I'm taking the ass hole with me.
1/31/2008 10:22:58 AM EDT
[#11]
i see your guys point, i use one but thats cuz im .mil so its a bit more practical, i know myself and some other instructors have rolled (2 civi cops and one MP) i was able to retain my weapon even if it ment yanking the cord and rolling onto it until the weapon was near me, it wasnt pretty but i never got shot! army combatives created a 2x2 drill for this, 2 guys attack the defender for 2 minutes and try to take his weapons away, it sucks. it was created after a soldier got trapped in a room with 2 bad guys and had to fight for about 2 min whiles his buddies tried to reopen the door. (path of least resistance and standing in the doorway almost killed this soldier) thanks for your relpys gentalmen and thanks for keeping our streets safe!