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Posted: 5/8/2003 10:52:47 PM EDT
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Two words for ya "Civil Liability"
Or how about "BAD IDEA" |
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Posted: 5/8/2003 11:03:04 PM EDT
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First thing that ran thru my mind was, "big loss due to car theft."
Get that thing outta there! |
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Posted: 5/8/2003 11:22:22 PM EDT
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see if your insurance company will cover the loss in the event of a theft. :)
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Posted: 5/8/2003 11:58:19 PM EDT
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...well, I suppose it's one way to deal with those pesky police helicopters...
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Posted: 5/9/2003 10:14:14 AM EDT
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Ummm, WHY???
That's gonna be an expensive rifle rusting out in a humid trunk! |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 11:47:56 AM EDT
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No one in my area carries one.
1. No city would authorize it. 2. No chief would approve carrying it 3. No certified training or qualification course for it. 4. Big liability. 5. Too big to carry 6. How would you secure it in the car, other than locking it in the trunk. (locking shotgun and rifle racks are made for cars, i've never seen one for a .50 cal.) 7. Look out if the bad guys ever got hold of it. (another liablity issue) I have to ask.....What situations would YOU use it for? |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 2:17:36 PM EDT
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Errr. hardened target elimination? "Local marine goes nuts with [insert favorite semi-hardened vehicle here]."
There are LEO training courses on 50's. Racks can be made to fit. No humidty here in AZ to worry about. Now, about convincing the chief, that one might take some work. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:12:59 PM EDT
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What part of AZ are you in?
I promise I won't [s]speed[/s] go there. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 9:07:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: ...well, I suppose it's one way to deal with those pesky police helicopters... Damnit, I just realized this isn't GD so my comment was pretty far off. [brick] Anyway, since this is going in a squad car's trunk, does it fit? Also, if you are allowed to use it, will you be keeping it in your car or be removing it every day(it could become tiring moving around a +/- 35 lbs rifle)? What do you plan on using it for; sticking the bbl into a room and cranking off a round thereby saving your department valuable flashbangs? ...of course it would be pretty cool to see.[:)] **edited to fix the +/- |
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Posted: 5/10/2003 1:59:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: What part of AZ are you in? I promise I won't [s]speed[/s] go there. Way, way way south and western part. Oh, and to add to the short list of potential uses: Lets not forget about the almost weekly incursions of the Mexican military across the border here. It's not too distant a thought to have some squads invovled with dope smuggling. Several have been caught escorting truckloads of dope into the U.S. |
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Posted: 5/10/2003 4:20:55 PM EDT
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Are there that many Marines going nuts with tanks in your area?
How come we haven't heard it on the news? I think a tank would probably be resistant to a .50 cal round unless you have some of those depleted uranium AP rounds (I think those are restricted to military ONLY, not even LEO can get those.) I don't think I'd engage the Mexican Military anywhere near the border. They will probably have you outgunned. Your Chief may have some trouble with starting war with Mexico by firing on their military troops. My suggestion would be to leave that particular weapon at home and play with it on your days off. |
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Posted: 5/11/2003 6:07:12 AM EDT
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They make a three-point sling for that rascal?? [:D]
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Posted: 5/12/2003 1:59:54 PM EDT
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and just who is going to qualify you with that weapon? Hell, they won't even let us carry .44 magnums anymore. (it used to be status quo with OHP, but who would want to?)
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Posted: 5/12/2003 6:11:42 PM EDT
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Our SOG actually has a couple .50s in our arsenal for the snipers. I don't think we have deployed them yet. We train with them regularly. Our plan is to use them for disabling vehicles. A shot in an engine block does wonders!
We have practiced on running vehicles from towers, etc. We also have a rather expensive larou (sp?) for shooting at longer distances. We save our .308s for any real anti-personnel duties. |
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Posted: 5/12/2003 9:19:15 PM EDT
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We have considering getting one or two of these for limited tactical applications, but the cost and training time versus actual need has ruled it out, for now.
I really don't see much need for one of these as a patrol weapon, but if YOU think you need it AND can justify it to your brass, go for it. If I wanted to carry a .50 BMG rifle on Patrol on a routine basis, I would probably get sent to the Department shrink. |
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Posted: 5/12/2003 9:21:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: If I wanted to carry a .50 BMG rifle on Patrol on a routine basis, I would probably get sent to the Department shrink. Actually, let me change that. I WOULD get sent to the Department shrink. |
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Posted: 5/13/2003 5:21:22 AM EDT
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If your chief approves it, i might be interested in applying to your dept.
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Posted: 5/13/2003 6:20:38 PM EDT
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Come on now, local marine goes nuts with armored vehicle or armed mexican military incursuion. Is that the justification your using?
I bet statisticly both are less common than so many more things to be worried about. I bet you're more likely to be snake bit while on duty statisticly than encounter any of those situations, do you wear heavy duty snake chaps? You're more likely to sustain a head injury while driving on duty or on a traffic stop than encounter either of those, do you wear a helmet while driving in your car? Seriously,let your real and likely problems drive what you carry, don't let what you think is cool lead you to concentrate on problems that are not a practical issues. BTW, Your 50 would have been useless against the only incident I know of with a stolen armored vehicle. What kind of vehicles does the military have in your vicinity, only a handfull of the current armored vehicles are vulnerable to 50's. If you are taking a shot at a distance that requires a 50, in a law enforcement situation, your doing something really, really wrong.... and it's most likely your training, leadership and procedures. As far as disabling vehicles goes, first you have to be really good to hit a vehicle with any speed, assuming you have time to deploy the weapon before it is far gone. I played around and did some tests a few years ago (having a friend who owns a junkyard has benifits!) and 30-06 AP cracked every engine block, transmission and rear end it was fired at at ranges from 100-450 yards. I imagine some in a .30 magnum caliber would be quite effective, easier to deploy and use, and much cheaper. Lets not even get into the potential liability and danger of the public taking a shot at a moving vehicle with a .50! Sometimes I really wonder how much tax money goes into buying things with no real practical value but that are high on the "cool factor". I know I see it in the fire service myself, even in my department. Even if you buy it yourself, the taxpayers will bear the costs of the potential lawsuits, your training etc. Think about it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2003 11:08:54 PM EDT
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Hey Maricopa County Sheriff has an armored personell carrier with an M2HB mounted on top why shouldnt you have a .50 to kill babies with too?
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Posted: 5/14/2003 11:10:44 PM EDT
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^^ Um what?
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Posted: 5/15/2003 6:03:24 AM EDT
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kay9, In case you're interested, the January 2003 issue of Law Enforcement Technology discussed the uses for a .50 caliber rifle. They said agencies should consider the .50 if any of the following coniditions exist:
1. There is an airport within an hour's drive. 2. Any body of water larger than 1km square in the usual response area. 3. The urban agancy has any buildings or built up areas taller than 3 to 4 stories. 4. The rural agency has open fields greater than 1 km square. 5. The agency patrols in marine, desert, or arctic conditions. We have everything but the desert but I don't think we could ever get anything like that approved. Good luck if you decide to pursue it and can get it done. Like everything else we carry, I hope you never really need it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2003 6:05:44 AM EDT
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I forgot to add that the same magazine article also tested several different .50 caliber sniper rifles. If you are interested in a copy of the articles and can't find the magazine, let me know and I will make a copy and mail it to you.
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Posted: 5/15/2003 8:43:05 AM EDT
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Quoted:SNIP- Come on now, local marine goes nuts with armored vehicle or armed mexican military incursuion. Is that the justification your using? It's a good justification, the Mexican Military part NEway. They cross the border on a regular basis, sometimes there lost, sometimes there helping people cross illegaly into the U.S., sometimes they are smuggling drugs, or running interfeance for drug smugglers. They've been know to shoot up marked Border Patrol vehicals on more than one occassion. |
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Posted: 5/15/2003 9:14:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hey Maricopa County Sheriff has an armored personell carrier with an M2HB mounted on top why shouldnt you have a .50 to kill babies with too? Only problem with it is that it is broken down 99% of the year. Fun to ride in/on though. [nana] |
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