Posted: 4/27/2003 2:40:08 AM EDT
| I'm preparing to buy and outfit either an AR-15 or M-4 (see other post.) I'm sold on a lighting system, but now can't decide on either the compact ACOG or the Aimpoint ML2. The ACOG has 1.5 power and uses no batteries. The ML2 has no magnification and boasts no eye relief to speak of. I've looked through both, but don't have an easy opportunity to shoot with them prior to purchase. I know that the ACOG is more expensive, but I'm not really worried about that if it's superior. Anyone have experience in using both? Or testimonials for one or the other will also be appreciated. Thanks for the input - LB |
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I have a Compact ACOG on a patrol AR. I love it. It is incredibly fast and easy to use. I have not used the Aimpoint on my AR but they seem pretty good. The only negative seems to be that they are battery powered but the latest versions seem to have solved that problem too by having such a long battery life. You really need to try them out to see what works for you. My first choice would be the ACOG. However, since the typical patrol rifle distances are less than 75 yards, either the Aimpoint or the ACOG will work great. The Aimpoint might be easier to find at this time. If you have any questions on the Compact ACOG let me know and I'll be glad to help if possible. |
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I own/use both of the sights you mentioned. I prefer the Aimpoint since (for me) it offers slightly quicker target acquisition and is still quite accurate at longer ranges. Where in Washington are you? If you can make it to the Seattle area, you are more than welcome to try mine out before you make a purchase decision. -Scott |
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ColtR & Scott - thanks for your replies. A couple questions. ColtR, out of curiosity, which dot do you use: dot, triangle, - and which color? Scott - I'm north of Bellingham, work for Ferndale PD and live about 5 min from the CDN border. With work and family, don't get to the big city very often, but I do appreciate the offer. You with a PD around Seattle? Question for you: Using the Aimpoint, if you were to take a long range shot, say 100+ yds, do you still use the red dot, or do you look through the glass using iron sights? |
| I use the amber triangle. Some people complain that the amber fades out against certain backgrounds but I have not had that trouble. The nice thing about the triangle is that you can use the tip for longer range uses and the whole thing up close. Of course, the distances that the patrol rifle will likely be used at are just slightly longer than the handgun so either reticle would probably work well. I would stay away from the crosshair simply because you want the speed of a dot(or triangle) reticle for patrol rifle use. |
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kechnthrow: I have an Aimpoint Comp M2 on my LEO Bushy. I used the GG&G Scout length rail & standard GG&G ring. If I were doing it again I would go with the GG&G cantilever mount and not use the rail, but I already had the rail on the gun. I love my Aimpoint. Out to 200 yds. (that's as far as I've had a chance to shoot it) it's plenty accurate & very fast. Battery life is not much of an issue with the new Aimpoints. with a 50 yd zero, you are basically dead on at a little over 200 yds, & within 2" or so at any distance out to 200. I seriously doubt that I'd ever have need to fire more than 200 yds in the line of duty anyway.... |
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Hi kechnthrow, No, I'm not with a PD. I do participate in a weekly rifle league in Bellevue and sub gun matches down in Albany (Oregon) several times a year, usually with an Aimpoint mounted on the rifle in question (but sometimes with a 1.5x compact ACOG). I find the Aimpoint to be at least as accurate as iron sights - even at 100 to 200 yards because of the small dot size. The ACOG has an advantage at longer ranges with the slight magnification but the dot on the ACOG is bigger so, unless you have the triangle reticle, precise shots can actually be tougher. For close targets, I find the Aimpoint to be faster due to the lack of magnification. With the ACOG, my right eye has to "catch-up" when I come on target, resulting in a slight delay. One thing on price...while the ACOG itself is more expensive, once you get the Aimpoint, 22M68 mount, and a flip-up rear sight, the total price gets fairly close. I wish you well on your purchase. Whichever you buy, I'm pretty sure you will not be disappointed. |