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8/4/2012 9:51:24 PM EDT
What is the chances of HIV transmission, if one were to come in contact with HIV positive blood, on one`s skin?
8/4/2012 11:49:26 PM EDT
[#1]
I have always been told pretty slim but I don't take any chances and pretty much treat everyone like they got the HIV.
8/5/2012 12:03:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Supposedly, NO ONE has ever got HIV from performing 1st Aid, IF they (1) avoid needle punctures, and (2) have healthy skin, i.e. no skin lesions or cuts to let the virus in. It's unheard of in performing CPR, for example. (Now someone is going to tell of his wife's third cousin's yada yada who is dying as we speak...). You actually have much more to worry about from hepatitis.

HIV is actually rather hard to contract EXCEPT via sexual intercourse; unfortunately, this is the one thing everyone wants to do.
8/5/2012 5:55:53 AM EDT
[#3]
if its warm and wet and not yours....dont touch it
8/5/2012 5:57:16 AM EDT
[#4]
Unless there is a break in the skin where contact is made, it is virtually impossible. Skin provides an amazing barrier. Fortunately.

I got a good shot of HIV blood on my uniform pants which immediately soaked through to my leg and sock. (dialysis pt and an incompetent med tech). Rode back to the station in my undies.

A quick wipe down with an alcohol based sanitizer will tell you whether or not the skin is compromised.
8/5/2012 6:47:23 AM EDT
[#5]
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What is the chances of HIV transmission, if one were to come in contact with HIV positive blood, on one`s skin?


On the skin with no open wound? next to impossible.

been stuck once and had blood spit in my eye during a fight once, during my close to 20 years. Both guys tested neg at the time, as did I and for the 2 years after ( that was the protocol then). Got the gamaglobulin shots both times (make you feel like hell, again protocol at the time).

Never had a problem. I would be much more worried about something like HepC than I would HIV. From everything I have read/heard, HIV is a very fragile virus and has to be transmitted with in a pretty small window of possibiliies.

J-

8/5/2012 6:56:56 AM EDT
[#6]
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What is the chances of HIV transmission, if one were to come in contact with HIV positive blood, on one`s skin?


Zero. The innoculum for HIV transmission is huge and requires a number of concommitant conditions for transmissions.
8/5/2012 8:16:58 AM EDT
[#7]
Thanks guys
8/5/2012 10:30:47 AM EDT
[#8]
Worry more about Hep C than HIV.
8/5/2012 11:11:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Got stuck once in the mid 90's.  Nothing like sitting in an ER room on a midnight shift while the doctor gets a book out and goes over the latest protocol from the CDC on treatment for exposure to HIV.  Base line tests, drug cocktails and follow tests.
8/5/2012 12:13:30 PM EDT
[#10]
Worse case scenario, somehow a drop or splatter of infected blood gets on a mucous membrane like your lip or eye. Would the transmission chance be significantly higher?
8/6/2012 5:15:04 PM EDT
[#11]
Don't know your situation but If you did get it on you MAKE SURE you document its as it may be a "work related" exposure if something ever arises (a lot of HIV+ carriers also have a slew of other bad stuff such as the HEP family). Protect your interests!
8/6/2012 10:43:12 PM EDT
[#12]
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Worse case scenario, somehow a drop or splatter of infected blood gets on a mucous membrane like your lip or eye. Would the transmission chance be significantly higher?


Intro to bloodborne pathogens

Your chances of infection from, say, eye contact with splattered blood is MUCH higher than that of contact with unbroken skin. It is a possible conduit.
8/6/2012 10:44:53 PM EDT
[#13]
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Unless there is a break in the skin where contact is made, it is virtually impossible. Skin provides an amazing barrier. Fortunately.

I got a good shot of HIV blood on my uniform pants which immediately soaked through to my leg and sock. (dialysis pt and an incompetent med tech). Rode back to the station in my undies.

A quick wipe down with an alcohol based sanitizer will tell you whether or not the skin is compromised.


One good thing to know is that chlorine is VERY effective against HIV.
8/7/2012 6:10:23 AM EDT
[#14]
Yeah I documented the case and got checked out. I`ll know the results on Thursday.


What should I do with my shirt and search gloves? They came in contact with it
8/7/2012 6:26:38 AM EDT
[#15]
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Yeah I documented the case and got checked out. I`ll know the results on Thursday.


What should I do with my shirt and search gloves? They came in contact with it


It's unlikely that you'd test positive already. I had to do exposure testing before. I had to do it the day of, one month out and 6 months out just to be certain I didn't contract anything.

Your gear is fine. HIV only survives a few minutes outside of a host body. That said, I'd probably still toss/burn them haha.
8/7/2012 6:40:12 AM EDT
[#16]
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What is the chances of HIV transmission, if one were to come in contact with HIV positive blood, on one`s skin?


Essentially zero. HIV is a very weak virus outside the body.
8/7/2012 6:42:00 AM EDT
[#17]
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Yeah I documented the case and got checked out. I`ll know the results on Thursday.


What should I do with my shirt and search gloves? They came in contact with it


Red bag, take to work/hospital/county health unit for disposal.
8/9/2012 8:40:36 AM EDT
[#18]
ON? ones skin..??? As long as its taken care of properly and their was no prior open wound on the area and the blood did not penetrate the dermis than im pretty comfortable throwing out the number 0.0 if the proper PEP are followed.

Even if you get tagged  with a dirty needle as long as you are aware of it and take action you will not get infected. By not get infected I am actually saying that to my knowledge in the United States the odds of transmission after treatment is something like 1 in 10,000

My old man got nailed with a hollow bore asymtomatic patient who was positive needle. It was recommended that he receive the whole 9 yards which was the 3 drug antiviral cocktail for 4 weeks at the time. Sick as a dog  doesn't even begin to describe what he was like all day every day for at least the first 2 weeks or so non stop as a result of the meds.

But without going ot run down the exact stats, its basically understood that HIV can not be passed even from an  accidental needle stick as long as its identified  properly and treament is started.
8/9/2012 8:41:55 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Supposedly, NO ONE has ever got HIV from performing 1st Aid, IF they (1) avoid needle punctures, and (2) have healthy skin, i.e. no skin lesions or cuts to let the virus in. It's unheard of in performing CPR, for example. (Now someone is going to tell of his wife's third cousin's yada yada who is dying as we speak...). You actually have much more to worry about from hepatitis.

HIV is actually rather hard to contract EXCEPT via sexual intercourse; unfortunately, this is the one thing everyone wants to do.


do not do cpr on a stranger without a barrier device, there are other issues you need to worry about as well. stick to compression only.
8/9/2012 8:44:06 AM EDT
[#20]
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Unless there is a break in the skin where contact is made, it is virtually impossible. Skin provides an amazing barrier. Fortunately.

I got a good shot of HIV blood on my uniform pants which immediately soaked through to my leg and sock. (dialysis pt and an incompetent med tech). Rode back to the station in my undies.

A quick wipe down with an alcohol based sanitizer will tell you whether or not the skin is compromised.


One good thing to know is that chlorine is VERY effective against HIV.


pretty much everything is effectign againstt HIV once its outside the body, im pretty sure you can yell at it loudly and kill that shit... seirously though HIV would probably be 3rd or 4th down on my o shit list if I get tagged by a dirty needle.
8/9/2012 8:47:47 AM EDT
[#21]
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ON? ones skin..??? As long as its taken care of properly and their was no prior open wound on the area and the blood did not penetrate the dermis than im pretty comfortable throwing out the number 0 percent if the proper PEP protocols are followed.

Even if you get tagged  with a dirty needle as long as you are aware of it and take action you will not get infected. By not get infected I am actually saying that to my knowledge in the United States the odds of transmission after treatment is something like 1 in 10,000

My old man got nailed with a hollow bore asymtomatic patient who was positive needle. It was recommended that he receive the whole 9 yards which was the 3 drug antiviral cocktail for 4 weeks at the time. Sick as a dog  doesn't even begin to describe what he was like all day every day for at least the first 2 weeks or so non stop as a result of the meds.

But without going ot run down the exact stats, its basically understood that HIV can not be passed even from an  accidental needle stick as long as its identified  properly and treament is started.


This is correct.   There is no chance of transmission through intact skin, and virtually no chance of transmission through an open wound or the eye.
A needle stick is the only real concern.  If stuck, proceed immediately to the ER and describe the situation.  They will start you on immediate ART (anti-retroviral therapy).  There has never been a case of successful transmission if ART is started within two hours of exposure, even from a lab stick with concentrated virus.
8/10/2012 3:59:48 AM EDT
[#22]
I check out great yesterday. No HIV or Hepatitis for me!

Thanks for all the help and insight guys
8/12/2012 3:34:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Exposures are awful. Blood just on your skin, can't get it. Everyone has already covered the facts. If you're busy in the back and can't wash your arm or hand, dump peroxide on it and wipe it off.
8/12/2012 11:18:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Glad to hear you are okay.

The percentage chance you have of contracting HIV after coming into contact is 0.2-0.44%. You have a higher chance of contracting Hepatitis A or C.
8/12/2012 11:36:53 PM EDT
[#25]
Slim to nine.
You would have to have a beak in the skin and have enough of a virus load to actually becoe HIV+
8/13/2012 7:13:55 PM EDT
[#26]
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I check out great yesterday. No HIV or Hepatitis for me!

Thanks for all the help and insight guys


you're not done yet. if you had a blood test done then in 6 months you will have to have another done. HIV doesnt show up that fast in your system.
8/13/2012 7:25:37 PM EDT
[#27]
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What is the chances of HIV transmission, if one were to come in contact with HIV positive blood, on one`s skin?


Essentially zero. HIV is a very weak virus outside the body.


This...HIV is destroyed almost immediately outside of the body.
8/14/2012 6:09:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Yeah I go again in September for another test
8/14/2012 6:16:18 AM EDT
[#29]
If you have cuts or abrassion on you exposed skin it increases the odds of an infection.
Clean with a hot water & soap if you have any antispetic use it then the hot water & soap.
We use a 1 to 10 bleach solution for cleaning equipment.
8/14/2012 5:08:42 PM EDT
[#30]
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Got stuck once in the mid 90's.  Nothing like sitting in an ER room on a midnight shift while the doctor gets a book out and goes over the latest protocol from the CDC on treatment for exposure to HIV.  Base line tests, drug cocktails and follow tests.


You wasted your time.
Sorry, clicked on wrong forum. Thought it was GD.

HIV is not to be feared.  Hep B and C, hell, yes.
8/14/2012 10:49:58 PM EDT
[#31]
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Yeah I go again in September for another test


You won't truly know for 6 months, if somehow you did get it, it takes a long time for it to develop enough inside of you to show up on a test. Your blood work you just got was a baseline test. The next two or three will see if certain levels have risen. It sucks, I have been there. Dealt with a guy who was hep-c +. I was searching his jacket and felt a poke. Continued searching and found a capped needle. Even though a capped needle can't stick you, I was still paranoid. Turns out it was a jagged edge on his zipper. Few things I learned from that. One being how to search more carefully. Two, if you are wearing rubber gloves and have an open wound on your hands and come into contact with blood, carefully remove the gloves and fill them up with water to check for leaks. I only did this if I was fighting with someone and wanted to make sure the gloves didn't rip. Gave me piece of mind as I am a paranoid person. The third thing I learned was how hard it is to get infected from another person. I read so much material, and talked to so many people, I feel much more better about doing this job now.