Posted: 11/9/2011 5:59:41 AM EDT
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I'm rewriting our off duty/UOF policies and training.
In it, we've got a requirement to carry a less lethal, (currently MK3 OC), one reload for the approved off duty weapon, and a restraint system. Right now, the flex cuffs by safariland have been what we've been authorizing or standard cuffs. does anyone have a better idea? I've found jersey cuffs and the safariland/monadnock compact spare cuffs? thanks! |
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You guys really have to carry all that stuff while off duty? I know its probably a good idea, but one of the thingsI like about being off duty is NOT carrying all that shit. I carry my off duty gun, and sometimes a spare mag, but that's it. I am positive that a policy like that would not go over well at my department, and if implemented, would probably be ignored....just like most guys ignore the off duty carry requirement. |
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I'm a believer in carrying some type of restraint if you carry a firearm off duty. However, 90% of the time I carry my off duty pistol with no restraint.
I don't think a less than lethal weapon is a good requirement for off duty. Is this a "shall" or "may" policy? How is it worded? ETA: Instead of carrying OC off duty, why not just carry "musceling techniques" if you need them? 
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I carry my gun, a knife and a spare mag. I think requiring all the other tools is expecting someone to act in a on duty manner off duty. I think that is a BAD idea and is going to get someone hurt. I guess your dept expects it's officers to go through the entire force continuum off duty?
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I'm a believer in carrying some type of restraint if you carry a firearm off duty. However, 90% of the time I carry my off duty pistol with no restraint. I don't think a less than lethal weapon is a good requirement for off duty. Is this a "shall" or "may" policy? How is it worded? ETA: Instead of carrying OC off duty, why not just carry "musceling techniques" if you need them? I carry lots of restraint while off-duty. I restrain myself frm being anything more than a witness unless its involving SBI or death. OP, that's too much crap IMHO. What's next... body armor 24/7?? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
About a year ago, US Marshalls were trying out a cuff that rolled up into a very small roll. What I saw amounted to a small "buckle" on about 2.5 feet of VERY strong fabric tape. Smaller than a campfire marshmallow. Hi-risk warrant types were testing it and seemed happy enough. They were carrying them off-duty. 
Wish I had more info for you. Call USMS ? Stay safe |
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I carry my gun, a knife and a spare mag. I think requiring all the other tools is expecting someone to act in a on duty manner off duty. I think that is a BAD idea and is going to get someone hurt. I guess your dept expects it's officers to go through the entire force continuum off duty? +1. many yrs ago, A veteran officer I was riding with for a while got on the subject about having cuffs while off duty. Our dept was going thru a phase of being afraid of community pressure on our PD for various reasons (yes, we are headed that direction again) This veteran had the view that we should carry the cuffs, because when something happened and we shot someone(off-duty), the dept didn't want the community saying "since your officer had his gun and killed ______, instead of just arresting him, they were wanting to kill him, not catch him!!" (of course,he had "just turned his life around" & was trying to get a job and support his children {thats what they call it when he's robbing you}), .fortunately the chief we had then left, and someone had the backbone to say we will take action to STOP the threat if needed, and use whatever force is needed to overcome the threat. VERY few x's ever did I carry cuffs,restraints, off-duty..... |
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Never used them, but an option.
TUFF-TIE http://www.tufftie.com/ |
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Awesome and used the tons of times. Very small, they go through the washing machine very well, and they are simple to use. |
| We are not required to carry off duty. For the majority that choose to carry, the minimum is one of the approved guns with no less than 10 rounds of ammo and an ID. No OC or baton allowed off duty. Cuffs are allowed, but I think few carry those. I carry a pistol and a reload, most of the time. Never cuffs. Someone needs to be hooked up, the guys in uniform are getting called. |
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Awesome and used the tons of times. Very small, they go through the washing machine very well, and they are simple to use. thats good to hear, becuase they would go through the washing machine VERY often. I think ive washed my I-phone headphones dozens of times. |
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I carry one of these and they are bad ass. never used one, and probably won't, but they are great, light and easy to carry. |
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These are awesome. |
| I think that this policy is likely to cause people to ignore it. We do not have an off duty carry policy but I dont leave my house without a gun, knife, a tuff tie, and ID card. I think that you are asking, well actually telling, your officers to carry too much stuff...is this agency CALEA certified? Sounds like it! |
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I am issued these. They work well from what I have seen and have a very small footprint to carry around. Mush easier than those big plastic zipties |
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gun, mag, knife, backup knife, cellphone, wallet and cell phone...
The only flex-cuff anything I'd use are the ones with the metal inside the plastic. I've seen regular handcuffs fail and I've seen ties fail twice as much until we switched over to using the metal-inside ties...they are awesome. Carrying cuffs off duty? I have a pair in my car...will I have them on me? Not unless I'm getting paid. |
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I'm guessing someone is basing their policy-writing offMas Ayoob articles . He has always been one to write about how off duty guys can get hung out to dry if they only carry a gun off duty with no restraints or intermediate force options. I remember reading that somewhere...Its pretty isolated in my opinion. Yes we can take police action off-duty...but the old guys always told me - "don't get involved with something stupid off duty to jam yourself up...be a good witness, unless someone is almost dead or about to be almost dead...otherwise call 911 and be a witness." That's been the SOP for most guys I know. |
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I'm guessing someone is basing their policy-writing offMas Ayoob articles . He has always been one to write about how off duty guys can get hung out to dry if they only carry a gun off duty with no restraints or intermediate force options. I remember reading that somewhere...Its pretty isolated in my opinion. Yes we can take police action off-duty...but the old guys always told me - "don't get involved with something stupid off duty to jam yourself up...be a good witness, unless someone is almost dead or about to be almost dead...otherwise call 911 and be a witness." That's SOP for us here. Don't get involved unless you have absolutely no other choice. |
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I am issued these. They work well from what I have seen and have a very small footprint to carry around. Mush easier than those big plastic zipties I've got a dozen of these and they are easy to carry. I try to throw a set in my pocket everyday (I've worked in jeans and t-shirt for the past 12 years) I got mine from our US Marshals office. They issue them |
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I'm guessing someone is basing their policy-writing offMas Ayoob articles . He has always been one to write about how off duty guys can get hung out to dry if they only carry a gun off duty with no restraints or intermediate force options. I remember reading that somewhere...Its pretty isolated in my opinion. Yes we can take police action off-duty...but the old guys always told me - "don't get involved with something stupid off duty to jam yourself up...be a good witness, unless someone is almost dead or about to be almost dead...otherwise call 911 and be a witness." That's SOP for us here. Don't get involved unless you have absolutely have no other choice. us/me too. J- |
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I'm guessing someone is basing their policy-writing offMas Ayoob articles . He has always been one to write about how off duty guys can get hung out to dry if they only carry a gun off duty with no restraints or intermediate force options. I remember reading that somewhere...Its pretty isolated in my opinion. Yes we can take police action off-duty...but the old guys always told me - "don't get involved with something stupid off duty to jam yourself up...be a good witness, unless someone is almost dead or about to be almost dead...otherwise call 911 and be a witness." That's SOP for us here. Don't get involved unless you have absolutely have no other choice. us/me too. J- Same here. I wouldn't go strolling around without the gun and ID, but if something happens and I don't have the whole Bat Utility Belt at my disposal I'll take whatever field-expedient measures I need to take, it's that simple. |
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We are not required to carry off duty. For the majority that choose to carry, the minimum is one of the approved guns with no less than 10 rounds of ammo and an ID. No OC or baton allowed off duty. Cuffs are allowed, but I think few carry those. I carry a pistol and a reload, most of the time. Never cuffs. Someone needs to be hooked up, the guys in uniform are getting called. Ditto. They make it clear, you do NOT have to carry off duty...and frankly, they don't care if you do or don't. If you do carry, you are supposed to carry with a gun you have qualified with and your ID, badge if possible. I have my CCH as well so I can carry whatever I want. |
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I'm a believer in carrying some type of restraint if you carry a firearm off duty. However, 90% of the time I carry my off duty pistol with no restraint. I don't think a less than lethal weapon is a good requirement for off duty. Is this a "shall" or "may" policy? How is it worded? ETA: Instead of carrying OC off duty, why not just carry "musceling techniques" if you need them? I carry lots of restraint while off-duty. I restrain myself frm being anything more than a witness unless its involving SBI or death. OP, that's too much crap IMHO. What's next... body armor 24/7?? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile EXACTLY THIS |