[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Sick Days (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/17/2011 7:49:42 AM EDT
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I hate using sick days at work. I probably use less than a handful a year when I am really sick. I feel like if I use them and don't really need them I am just pawning off work on others. I am sitting on around 400 hours of sick accrued on my last pay check.
I have noticed others at work that seem to burn them up as quickly as they get them on the books. They joke around and call them "mental health days". Honestly it annoys the hell out of me when they pull this stuff. I wanted to see what others input is on sick time. |
| I dont like to call in sick either. I pretty much feel the same way about pawning work on others. Sadly though not many others have the same work ethic as us. I hate it when guys just take the day off and arent sick, dont have sick kids and just dont want to come to work. |
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No sick time in my agency, only "personal days". We can only accrue up to two year's allotment - e.g, if we are allotted five days a year, we can never have more than ten on the books, use it or lose it.
I tend to husband mine 'til hunting season and then take a scheduled week off to burn me down to just under the line. To answer your original question: I absolutely agree. I have to be on the verge of death to actually call in sick, and still feel bad about doing it - it means someone else is covering my workload, either voluntarily or by mandate. And yes, we have the getaday-takeaday folks as well. Guess whose time off requests don't get covered by volunteers? |
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No sick time in my agency, only "personal days". We can only accrue up to two year's allotment - e.g, if we are allotted five days a year, we can never have more than ten on the books, use it or lose it. I tend to husband mine 'til hunting season and then take a scheduled week off to burn me down to just under the line. To answer your original question: I absolutely agree. I have to be on the verge of death to actually call in sick, and still feel bad about doing it - it means someone else is covering my workload, either voluntarily or by mandate. And yes, we have the getaday-takeaday folks as well. Guess whose time off requests don't get covered by volunteers? You can only carry ten days? Total? Screw that....by contract, we can carry up to 520hrs of vacation, 85hrs of comp, and an unlimited amount of sick. When we retire, we can cash our sick time in at 3:1. |
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We have agency and federal comp-time, personal leave, and major medical leave. Unused personal and major medical leave time is applied to my retirement date, so I try not to use it.
I have several weeks of comp time built up right now, so I can use that time for whatever I want (sick, vacation, lazy LOL). |
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i think we should just have one "pool" of days, sick, vacation, whatever. We have the same at my department.
Although sometimes people need a "mental health day" your 3rd dead body of the week, a few bad fights, yeah sometimes people need a day off to keep their head inthe game. |
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I have had to use an unexpected amount of sick days in the past several months, all because of migraines. My supervisors don't seem to understand that 1) my migraines are severe enough to affect my vision and 2) i'm not going to risk my life and the lives of my fellow officers due to reason 1... I really hate to use my time, as I know one day I may need it for extended time, but I really don't see much other option.
I'm now on multiple medications, which have greatly reduced the quantity of migraines that I get, so hopefully that will cut back on how often I will need to take off, but it has already taken its toll. My supervisors passed me over for a permanent beat assignment, saying I am unreliable, even though I consistently have the best stats, month after month. 
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| We accrue sick time––and can carry some STUPID high numbers, like 2080 hrs...basically a years, and you can carry that through retirement. I NEVER used sick time prior to having kids..now, with a 4 year old and an infant, I use it more than I want to for when their sick (we can use sick time to take care of family members) . My wife doesn't accrue time through her job, so if she no work, she no get paid..My team is pretty understanding about it. I appreciate the guys that want to be hard chargers and never call in, but it honestly does piss me off when they come in with a snotty nose or a fever and cough. Myself, I'd rather run short than get sick. Let the calls stack up, we can only take one at a time anyway. I touch enough dirty, sick, disgusting people in my 10 hour shift, I don't need one helping me shag calls.. |
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We can accrue up to 1440 sick hours, and upon retirement we're paid for 720 of them. A lot of guys burn their sick time down to 720 prior to retirement.
OP why do you care if someone calls in sick? Some agencies (like mine) have minimum staffing, and if an officer is sick and calls in for a Vacation or Comp day he can't get it, but he can't be denied Sick time. If an officer ain't gonna be at work, it doesn't matter to his peer if his time card says off V C or S, he still ain't there. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them.
I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. |
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With the manner in which my employer restricts the use I'd say more power to anyone that can use it.
Gotta be out 24 hours and have a Dr. note BACKDATED to the days you missed work. How do you get sick on Friday, call in and then visit a Dr. on Monday and have them "certify" you were indeed sick on Friday, Sat and Sun? Unpossible. I'm sitting on over 400 hours too. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. Studies consistently show that police work, while not nearly as physically dangerous as depicted in film or media, leads many professions in alcoholism, drug addiction, health problems and divorce. Life happens, if on top of all the other stress an officer is going through a divorce or burn out or personal problems and chooses not to come to work to give himself time to re thread his screws, I'm all for it. Colt I don't klnow long you've been a cop, but if you haven't hit a wall yet you will if you stay in the game. |
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I hate using SL days but I also realize that there are times I'm not going to be any good at work, and in fact might be a hazard if I'm not functional.
We accrue at a rate of 12 hours per payday, so a day a month. We're allowed 4 uses in a "rolling 12" without having to bring in a doctor's confirmation. Unfortunately many of the senior staff here have different ways of viewing that clause, including focusing on the number of individual days instead of occurences, which may be more than one day for a single useage, like when I contracted pneumonia and was out for 4 shift days. I was below average use in SL for the first half of my career, then I got married and had a daughter. Mama's working a temp gig and has no SL (and calling in can effect hew continued employment there), baby has a fever and can't go to daycare so who stays home? I did, which was the wrong choice according to my chief. I also got "spoken about" for having a much smaller number of SL hours on the books. I guess the City's use of SL hours when I went on FMLA for mom's end stage CA somehow was forgotten in favor of the ability to just complain and point out my "excessive use". I guess for him family falls squarely between "failure" and "fault" in the dictionary. 
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I hate using SL days but I also realize that there are times I'm not going to be any good at work, and in fact might be a hazard if I'm not functional. We accrue at a rate of 12 hours per payday, so a day a month. We're allowed 4 uses in a "rolling 12" without having to bring in a doctor's confirmation. Unfortunately many of the senior staff here have different ways of viewing that clause, including focusing on the number of individual days instead of occurences, which may be more than one day for a single useage, like when I contracted pneumonia and was out for 4 shift days. I was below average use in SL for the first half of my career, then I got married and had a daughter. Mama's working a temp gig and has no SL (and calling in can effect hew continued employment there), baby has a fever and can't go to daycare so who stays home? I did, which was the wrong choice according to my chief. I also got "spoken about" for having a much smaller number of SL hours on the books. I guess the City's use of SL hours when I went on FMLA for mom's end stage CA somehow was forgotten in favor of the ability to just complain and point out my "excessive use". I guess for him family falls squarely between "failure" and "fault" in the dictionary.
working for a hospital service it wasn't bad. it was all lumped into PTO time and it was actually against policy to come to work with a fever. as long as you had the time to burn and didn't abuse it or show a pattern of conveniently being sick on fridays or when you had put in for a day off and didn't get it, etc. it wasn't that big of a deal. it was one of the few things they got right. went to work for a municipal service and calling in sick is an unpardonable sin....they'd rather you drag yourself in and infect everyone else with whatever nastiness you picked up from the last nursing home tour. every time somebody's kid brings home a new virus from school the rest of us know we're going to end up with it and have to hope it passes on our days off. the joys of working for a manager, not a leader. |
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We accrue at a rate of 12 hours per payday, so a day a month. We're allowed 4 uses in a "rolling 12" without having to bring in a doctor's confirmation. Unfortunately many of the senior staff here have different ways of viewing that clause, including focusing on the number of individual days instead of occurences, which may be more than one day for a single useage, like when I contracted pneumonia and was out for 4 shift days. They're pushing the doctors note thing here a lot as well. If I was out for 4 days with pneumonia I'd get a doctors note Especially since my last bout with it landed me in the hospital overnight. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. Studies consistently show that police work, while not nearly as physically dangerous as depicted in film or media, leads many professions in alcoholism, drug addiction, health problems and divorce. Life happens, if on top of all the other stress an officer is going through a divorce or burn out or personal problems and chooses not to come to work to give himself time to re thread his screws, I'm all for it. Colt I don't klnow long you've been a cop, but if you haven't hit a wall yet you will if you stay in the game. I have no idea if you are a sick time abuser but you certainly are trying to justify it. If the job gets to be too much to handle, it's time to quit. Sick time abuse is just that....abuse. Sick time is there for when you are sick or injured legitimately. Last time I took sick time was when I had some back problems. Couldn't bend over or even move very well. Took 2 days. Time before that was a year ago. Had two of my wisdom teeth removed and my mouth was swollen and I was bleeding from my gums. Took 2 days. A number of years ago, I dropped my motorcycle and scrapped up my hand pretty good. Took 2 days for that. If you have an actual medical problem, then use the sick time and you won't get any complaints from me. Use sick time because you want to go fishing, hunting, still hung over....or similar excuses, then you should be ashamed. |
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I've never called out when I wasn't sick/injured. I think in 6 years I've used 1 sick day until I got injured... Then I was out for a month and light duty for 6 months. We can accrue up to 2160 hours of sick time. I was close to it and now I'm down to 1300 hours or so. There are a bunch of guys who use sick time more freely. We used to have a captain who used to encourage people to "bang out"... Fuck em', bang em'. He doesn't work here anymore though. It's gotten a little worse lately with a couple of guys out on injuries and the department went to 5 guys off per shift to 4 to save on OT. That includes injuries though so the 2 guys on my shift that are out leaves only 2 vacation slots open... Things come up or the wifey wants to do something and guys are suddenly getting sick. I think we had 4 guys sick yesterday.
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I hate using sick days at work. I probably use less than a handful a year when I am really sick. I feel like if I use them and don't really need them I am just pawning off work on others. I am sitting on around 400 hours of sick accrued on my last pay check. I have noticed others at work that seem to burn them up as quickly as they get them on the books. They joke around and call them "mental health days". Honestly it annoys the hell out of me when they pull this stuff. I wanted to see what others input is on sick time. I have over 2000 hours of sick time in my sick bank. I know how u feel. I average about .5 sick days a year. Upon retirement we can cash 50-75% depending on the amount u have saved up and we have no cap. I know what u mean about those that burn through em. We had a guy retire with 23years on (we are 20 and out) and he litterally got a check for about 200bucks for his sick time pay out. The most that I ever remember him having in his bank was under 100 hours. Unless I am REALLY SIIIIICCCCKKKKK or my kids are sick and need to stay home from school, I work, J- |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. Studies consistently show that police work, while not nearly as physically dangerous as depicted in film or media, leads many professions in alcoholism, drug addiction, health problems and divorce. Life happens, if on top of all the other stress an officer is going through a divorce or burn out or personal problems and chooses not to come to work to give himself time to re thread his screws, I'm all for it. Colt I don't klnow long you've been a cop, but if you haven't hit a wall yet you will if you stay in the game. I have no idea if you are a sick time abuser but you certainly are trying to justify it. If the job gets to be too much to handle, it's time to quit. Sick time abuse is just that....abuse. Sick time is there for when you are sick or injured legitimately. Last time I took sick time was when I had some back problems. Couldn't bend over or even move very well. Took 2 days. Time before that was a year ago. Had two of my wisdom teeth removed and my mouth was swollen and I was bleeding from my gums. Took 2 days. A number of years ago, I dropped my motorcycle and scrapped up my hand pretty good. Took 2 days for that. If you have an actual medical problem, then use the sick time and you won't get any complaints from me. Use sick time because you want to go fishing, hunting, still hung over....or similar excuses, then you should be ashamed. You're right, you have no idea. I went over 12 years without taking a sick day not that I have to explain anything to you. I even have a 10 year perfect attendence certificate and a uniform bar to go with it. I'm guessing you're some gung ho rookie thinkning you have all the awnsers. I currently have 1360 sick hours and I'll only get paid for 720 of those hours in April when I retire at 95% of my salary. The longer you're in this job, the more you realize what you don't know. 
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went to work for a municipal service and calling in sick is an unpardonable sin....they'd rather you drag yourself in and infect everyone else with whatever nastiness you picked up from the last nursing home tour. every time somebody's kid brings home a new virus from school the rest of us know we're going to end up with it and have to hope it passes on our days off. the joys of working for a manager, not a leader. Hey - I think your bosses and miine went to the same leadership management schools.
It's funny, since the same guy who was complaining about my SL use once took the time to address all the shifts and tell them that since we're in the business of transporting sick folks and we're always running short staffed if we're sick we really should stay home. But he's the same guy who points fault when you call in. And the short staffing? It was his idea as a budget reducer. My chief also once complained to our Union president about me being at the top of the OT board and one of the guys with the lowest number of SL hours. He actually wanted the Union to remove me from the OT eligibility list, and then suggested I was presenting digitally reworked copies of my Physician's slips to fraudulently obtain SL and HR was "looking into it". 
The pres pointed out that my SL use was actually lower than a few others on the department (to which the chief replied "I'm looking at the long term"), and that the OT was due to my seniority and his lack of personnel on each shift, and that if he really thought I was falsifying notes that he'd better officially notify me that I was under investigation as required by the FFDA or BTFO. While I appreciate the unwitting acknowledgement of my computer skills  , while I'm more than capable of performing such shenanigans I'm smart enough not to, since it's easy enough for a Board with subpoena powers to disprove, and I'd rather pay the $30 than risk my job and pension.
ETA - Sick leave "abuse" to me is using it to go to a baseball game, or routinely to obtain days off when the schedule is full. LE and FD positions aren't ones where you can be a mindless automaton and just slap panel A onto the press with panel B close the guard, stomp the lever and repeat for 8 or 12 hours. If we're not able to be at 100% (or close enough to compensate  ) then our performance can suffer to the point where we, or more importantly the people who depend on us - like our partners and public - can suffer.
I'd rather get a folder full of writeups for wrongly perceived violations from some d*ckhead who'll could find a way to discipline me for leaving footprints when I walked across the waters than have to bear the burden of knowing it was my fault for the negligent death or injury of a co-worker or citizen. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. Studies consistently show that police work, while not nearly as physically dangerous as depicted in film or media, leads many professions in alcoholism, drug addiction, health problems and divorce. Life happens, if on top of all the other stress an officer is going through a divorce or burn out or personal problems and chooses not to come to work to give himself time to re thread his screws, I'm all for it. Colt I don't klnow long you've been a cop, but if you haven't hit a wall yet you will if you stay in the game. I have no idea if you are a sick time abuser but you certainly are trying to justify it. If the job gets to be too much to handle, it's time to quit. Sick time abuse is just that....abuse. Sick time is there for when you are sick or injured legitimately. Last time I took sick time was when I had some back problems. Couldn't bend over or even move very well. Took 2 days. Time before that was a year ago. Had two of my wisdom teeth removed and my mouth was swollen and I was bleeding from my gums. Took 2 days. A number of years ago, I dropped my motorcycle and scrapped up my hand pretty good. Took 2 days for that. If you have an actual medical problem, then use the sick time and you won't get any complaints from me. Use sick time because you want to go fishing, hunting, still hung over....or similar excuses, then you should be ashamed. You're right, you have no idea. I went over 12 years without taking a sick day not that I have to explain anything to you. I even have a 10 year perfect attendence certificate and a uniform bar to go with it. I'm guessing you're some gung ho rookie thinkning you have all the awnsers. I currently have 1360 sick hours and I'll only get paid for 720 of those hours in April when I retire at 95% of my salary. The longer you're in this job, the more you realize what you don't know. Keep ASSuming if it makes you feel good about yourself. |
| We get 8 hours a month of sick time every month. We can use sick time for doctor visits and if someone in my immediate family is sick but if your are out more than two days you must have a doctors note when you return to work. There is no limit how much sick time we can have but if you leave or get fired you do not receive any pay for your sick time. I know some guys who have 2,000 hours of sick time. |
| My last chief told me when I started there that if I was to wake up in the morning and didn't feel like coming to work then call in and let them know and it was considered a "mental health day" that being said I hate calling in unless i'm actually sick. I'm always afraid i'm going to break a leg or get really hurt in my off time and won't have the time I need saved up so I hord sick leave like it's going out of style. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. This. I was out for a week once...no shit SICK. I felt better on Thursday so I went in...and got told all day that I looked like a bag of ass. I left about 1300 because I wore out that quick. A good friend told me..."Don't come to work if you can't win a fight." OTOH, we actually have a policy that basically covers being too hung over to come to work. One could (although I don't think one ever has) get hemmed up for calling in sick when they're hung over. |
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Unlimited sick.....but you must see the FD doctors every time you tap out. You only have to see the department doctors if you want to be out more than 2 days. That's for us on the PD not sure about FDNY. Quoted:
The welfare of myself and my family come first. If I need a sick day to take care of myself or a member of the family I have no qualms about taking a day off. If I need a mental health day off because I'm sick of the bullshit at work I'll take a day off. Same for me. If they don't want us to go sick they should give us a set amount of days that we can bank and cash in at the end like every other department around here. Until then I'm going sick whenever I don't feel good. |
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I haven't ever used a sick day in the four years I've been here at the FD, although I can think of several days I probably should have. I wouldn't come to work if I had anything that I could spread around, and expect that courtesy of the other guys as well. If someone wants to take a 'mental health day' from time-to-time, I don't have a problem with that. Its the guys who use sick time as a secondary vacation pool, who curiously get sick around weekends, deer season, etc that I don't agree with. |
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Interesting how some people are usually sick right before their weekend...or right after. Funny how that works  ...or around Christmas when my case of jingleknee acts up. Sometimes around July or August I feel like shit and have to see Dr. Summeroff. Nicely done, Sir. |
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I give you my supervisory opinion:
If you're sick, please stay home. You really aren't good to me if you're not on your game. Police work can be mentally and physically demanding at spontaneous intervals. If you're tired, slow, lethargic, etc., you could get yourself or someone else hurt, or at the least make some crappy deecisions that I may have to unf#ck. Aside from this, your coworkers really don't want you around if you're sniffling, sneezing, hacking, or look like death warmed over. I don't know about you, but I hate being around sick people. Since our profession isn't exactly predictable, i'd rather run short or hire overtime than have someone with me that's less than 100%. We're all tough guys, but sick time is there for a reason. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| I have not used a sick day since 2001. Of course, I wasn't sick then––-I had kicked my fiancee out for cheating on me several times, and spent a couple weeks rampantly intoxicated and calling in sick. At the time the rule was that any more than 3 sick days in a row (it is any more than 1 now,) required a doctor's note and form to return to work without being written up. So I went to the department surgeon (didn't have my own GP) and after waiting for a bit got put in the exam room and he showed up. I rather sheepishly explained the situation to him, and he looked at me for a half a minute or so, then said "Sounds like a bad case of flu-like syndrome to me," and filled out my form 50 without further ado. |
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I've got over 500 hours of S/L on the books and try to only use a handful of S/L hours per year.
Unfortunately since having kids I've had to use more than my normal each year. Yes, abuse of any leave is irratating. Supervisors are responsible for tracking personnel leave to ensure they aren't making a pattern out of taking leave in conjunction with their days off duty etc...if the Supervisor can show a documented pattern of leave abuse then the employee can be put on leave restriction within certain guidelines. |
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Sick leave abuse isn't really a major problem where I work. Most people have plenty of comp time they can use if they know what days off they want a short time in advance. We get a perfect attendance bonus half day off for the first two 6 month periods of perfect attendance. If we go more than a year with perfect attendance we get a bonus full day off every subsequent 6 month period of perfect attendance. |
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I hate using sick days at work. I probably use less than a handful a year when I am really sick. I feel like if I use them and don't really need them I am just pawning off work on others. I am sitting on around 400 hours of sick accrued on my last pay check. I have noticed others at work that seem to burn them up as quickly as they get them on the books. They joke around and call them "mental health days". Honestly it annoys the hell out of me when they pull this stuff. I wanted to see what others input is on sick time. Sick time is something that was bargained for and in your contract...Its part of your pay package. Use it how you want, id really like to know why its acceptable for departments that have sell back time for cash, but its not acceptable to just take a sick day????? WTF is the difference Just dont come crying to me when you have none left and want others to donate you time when you really do hurt yourself or need the time off!!!!!!!!1 |
| Lot's of O.T down here where I work want it or not (mandated). After three days in a row of doing 16hrs and sleeping just 4 hours during those days believe me your going to call in sick. Its either Lt's messing with the roster, people calling in sick because there just too tired of working 16hrs, there is a big fight night or one of the boys party (Brown noses).....sucks. It's your sick time do what you want, but Jesus man you don't have to bang in 2 to 3 times a month on your Monday's or Friday's. |
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If you truely are sick and need the time off...take it. If you are taking a day off because you just don't want to come in or are hung over from the night before, well all I can say is that we have some of those people and I pretty much despise them. I've got almost 600 hours of sick time accrued. I've donated more to other deserving officers than I've used. I won't donate a single day to someone who has abused theirs. On the other hand, if someone has used theirs for a legitimate reason, I'll donate as much as they need. I've actually been accused of being an asshole for refusing to donate to people who abuse theirs. Fuck them. Studies consistently show that police work, while not nearly as physically dangerous as depicted in film or media, leads many professions in alcoholism, drug addiction, health problems and divorce. Life happens, if on top of all the other stress an officer is going through a divorce or burn out or personal problems and chooses not to come to work to give himself time to re thread his screws, I'm all for it. Colt I don't klnow long you've been a cop, but if you haven't hit a wall yet you will if you stay in the game. I have no idea if you are a sick time abuser but you certainly are trying to justify it. If the job gets to be too much to handle, it's time to quit. Sick time abuse is just that....abuse. Sick time is there for when you are sick or injured legitimately. Last time I took sick time was when I had some back problems. Couldn't bend over or even move very well. Took 2 days. Time before that was a year ago. Had two of my wisdom teeth removed and my mouth was swollen and I was bleeding from my gums. Took 2 days. A number of years ago, I dropped my motorcycle and scrapped up my hand pretty good. Took 2 days for that. If you have an actual medical problem, then use the sick time and you won't get any complaints from me. Use sick time because you want to go fishing, hunting, still hung over....or similar excuses, then you should be ashamed. You're right, you have no idea. I went over 12 years without taking a sick day not that I have to explain anything to you. I even have a 10 year perfect attendence certificate and a uniform bar to go with it. I'm guessing you're some gung ho rookie thinkning you have all the awnsers. I currently have 1360 sick hours and I'll only get paid for 720 of those hours in April when I retire at 95% of my salary. The longer you're in this job, the more you realize what you don't know. Keep ASSuming if it makes you feel good about yourself. Did this thread go in the direction you anticipated? |