Posted: 9/12/2011 7:23:36 AM EDT
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I've been having a discussion about routine arming of police and other aspects of self defence with some English policemen. One tells me that more police in America are killed with their own service pistol than by criminals own firearms. What are the statistics on this sort of thing?
I hope this question doesn't cause offence, but this seemed like an excellent place to get an educated answer. It isn't an attempt at trolling, and personally I fully support the carrying of firearms by professionals and civilians, etc. Thanks. |
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Anaxes, it would be a pain in the ass to research, but you can go to www.odmp.org and see a pretty thorough summary of officers killed in the US. I think we're at 40-something gunfire deaths this year. Killed with their own weapon is a pretty rare occurrence. The stats there will show how many gunfire deaths have taken place, but you would have to read each officer's incident summary to see if it was by their own gun.
Hope this helps. Edited to add: 49 US LEOs killed by gunfire this year. I'm not going to read every summary, but I try to keep up on these things. I don't recall any of them this year being killed by their own gun after losing it to a bad guy. |
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I don't believe any of the LE deaths this year have been with their own weapons.
pretty hard to get a cops gun away from him. if the cops gun is still in the holster its generally a lvl-2 or higher. means its very difficult to remove the gun from the holster unless you are the one wearing it. if the gun is already out, then it is pointed at said bad guy, and even harder to obtain without fatal injury sounds like the same BS about civi's getting a gun for defence. its just liberal anti-gun masturbation |
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In the early 1980s, when I was a brand new cop, about 15% of officers shot were shot with their own guns. Training and equipment changes (weapon retention training, and better holsters) brought that down to less than 5%.
The FBI publishes accounts of all law US enforcement officers killed in the line of duty every year, in a book form complete with statistics, graphs, etc.. Copies should be available to officers from GB. They used to send them to our department every year, I don't know who to contact about getting them, retirement has taken me out of the loop. |
| One that pops into my mind, I thought it was this year. An officer was transporting and the bad guy slipped his cuffs and got out of the back seat. Foot pursuit ensued through the woods and the officer was found dead by his own gun. That's the only one I can remember in recent times and I thought it was this year. |
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Speaking only of my department, out of a total of 108 line of duty deaths, exactly one involved the officer's own weapon (she was beaten unconscious, then her pistol was taken and she was shot.) We also have had one officer who was shot with his own weapon and paralyzed.
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Doesnt the FBI LODD report that comes out every year break it down, to very minute details, including if it was the officers guns used? I know the stats from them typically run about 1-2 years behind but it should give u the conrete evidence u are looking for.
Here is the stats for 2009 (most recent year up) they break it down from everything from weapon, type, day of the week, month of the year, time of day, years on the job etc etc etc. Kind of a pain to navigate through all the info but the info u are looking for will be there. http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/ "2 officers were killed with their own weapons" for the year 2009. Out of 48 FELONIOUSLY KILLED for that year, thats aprox 4% killed with their own guns, J- |
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One that pops into my mind, I thought it was this year. An officer was transporting and the bad guy slipped his cuffs and got out of the back seat. Foot pursuit ensued through the woods and the officer was found dead by his own gun. That's the only one I can remember in recent times and I thought it was this year. I'm pretty sure that was a "her" and she was a reserve officer with no real practical experience. |
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we had an officer get his gun taken out of his holster by a guy who had been smoking loveboat about 5 years ago, but the officer had a shitty single retention holster. That officers partner shot the suspect dead. That is the only officer shot with his own gun I have heard of since I've been a cop.
I agree with the above statement that your friends "stat" is from some liberal anti-gun place. Same place they got that stats about "assault clips" and people with guns in their home are more likely to be killed by them (duh) |
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It's definitely possible. A police chief here in Oregon was killed with his own weapon early this year. Search for Chief Ralph Painter of the Rainier Police Department on odmp.org if you want to know more.
With that said, I believe that it's a lot more difficult now to disarm an officer, between training and equipment developments to prevent that from occurring. |
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FBI releases stats for 2010.
56 Officers killed in 2010. 7 killed with their own weapon. 12.5% 122 Officers killed as of 9-12-11. LINK |
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FBI releases stats for 2010. 56 Officers killed in 2010. 7 killed with their own weapon. 12.5% 122 Officers killed as of 9-12-11. LINK looks like 52 gun deaths this yr, (including 3 accidental), not sure how many by own weapon |
| im guessing his point was that the brit police are safer bc they dont carry guns (where applicable)? tell him to come to my area and try to police without a gun. unfortunately, he'd probably be dead within 3 years if he is a hard worker. if not by a suspect then by a roaming pitbull. |
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Anaxes, it would be a pain in the ass to research,. FBI annual report should have that info. it does, I posted the link to the 2009 stats (which are the most recent on their site) and u scroll down to "weapons used" and it has a entry for number killed with their own gun. Took about 30 seconds to find. J- |
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Quoted: im guessing his point was that the brit police are safer bc they dont carry guns (where applicable)? tell him to come to my area and try to police without a gun. unfortunately, he'd probably be dead within 3 years if he is a hard worker. if not by a suspect then by a roaming pitbull. Some years ago there was a good, and true, story about an ex-US Marine (and possibly ex-US LEO), who joined a British Force, but subsequently left because he considered it too dangerous without a gun....  |
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Anaxes, it would be a pain in the ass to research,. FBI annual report should have that info. it does, I posted the link to the 2009 stats (which are the most recent on their site) and u scroll down to "weapons used" and it has a entry for number killed with their own gun. Took about 30 seconds to find. J- I posted before I read the whole thread. Thanks for the info and link. |
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Anaxes, it would be a pain in the ass to research,. FBI annual report should have that info. it does, I posted the link to the 2009 stats (which are the most recent on their site) and u scroll down to "weapons used" and it has a entry for number killed with their own gun. Took about 30 seconds to find. J- I posted before I read the whole thread. Thanks for the info and link. I know I came across as being "snotty" (it was NOT intended) I was just trying to bump the thread with the info off of ur post. J- |