[ARCHIVED THREAD] - TSA ... Seriously (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/1/2011 8:40:19 PM EDT
| So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Not prohibited. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm ETA I had one double-check my badge once, he said it was because he thought it was a throwing star. I gave him a  , a "Riiiight..." and just walked away...
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. 
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I flew from AZ to TX with my badge in my pocket. i put it on the belt along with my laptop, etc... It's 6pt "star" type badge. I got asked about the "throwing star" thing as well. Told 'em it was the badge of my agency. If they wanted to see more of them up close, I could arrange it... TSA are idiots and the worst thing we could have done was federalize security idiots. And I've done security all my life including airport security pre-TSA. It's only going to get worse.
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Dude, BUR TSA has a long history of short bus epic issues.
They were once inspecting my laptop bag, and dropped a spare cell phone battery between pockets (in the pleats). 11 TSA staff 14 passes through the xray machine 53 minutes later - they emptied every thing out one last time and shook it, and the battery fell out. I think I'd be safer on a skateboard doing a MJF / "back to the future" tailgater on a Grayhound bus going cross country. BTW search for the epic thread - "You can't take FIRE on the plane." - This was pre-9/11. Edit - found a like to a repost in the archives - link will require TEAM member "Thats FIRE! You can't bring fire on the plane" |
| We have the LE security contract with TSA for our airport, so I wind up over there on occasion. Pretty boring stuff. Our older ROD guys love to pull those shifts. I've seen numerous off duty officers fly out while retaining possession of their badges . Sounds like your friend ran into a prick at the screening station. |
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Check out Medal of Honor recipient Joe Foss. For outstanding heroism and courage above and beyond the call of duty as Executive Officer of a Marine Fighting Squadron, at Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands. Engaging in almost daily combat with the enemy from October 9 to November 19, 1942, Captain Foss personally shot down 23 Japanese aircraft and damaged others so severely that their destruction was extremely probable. In addition, during this period, he successfully led a large number of escort missions, skillfully covering reconnaissance, bombing and photographic planes as well as surface craft. On January 15, 1943, he added three more enemy aircraft to his already brilliant successes for a record of aerial combat achievement unsurpassed in this war. Boldly searching out an approaching enemy force on January 25, Captain Foss led his eight F4F Marine planes and four Army P-38s into action and, undaunted by tremendously superior numbers, intercepted and struck with such force that four Japanese fighters were shot down and the bombers were turned back without releasing a single bomb. His remarkable flying skill, inspiring leadership and indomitable fighting spirit were distinctive factors in the defense of strategic American positions on Guadalcanal. From wiki On January 11, 2002, Foss, then 87, was in the news when he was detained by security at the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. He was scheduled to deliver an address at the National Rifle Association and speak to a class at the United States Military Academy at West Point. A search necessitated by his pacemaker precluding a metal detector screening, had led to the discovery of the star-shaped Medal of Honor, along with a clearly marked dummy-bullet keychain and a small nailfile (with MOH insignia). The lack of recognition of the Medal of Honor, the demand to confiscate and destroy the medal and related memorabilia, along with repeated requests for Foss to remove his boots, hat and belt, the inconvenience, and lack of respect for a war hero, all demonstrated poor judgment on the part of airport security personnel. The incident led to a national debate about airport security and its ramifications. |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Not prohibited. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm ETA I had one double-check my badge once, he said it was because he thought it was a throwing star. I gave him a , a "Riiiight..." and just walked away...
so Ninjas are now hi-jacking planes? I'm glad the TSA is on the lookout for this |
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Going for R & R who cares about taking badge anyways? Quoted:
So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. |
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Check out Medal of Honor recipient Joe Foss. That incident is nearly 10 years old. Yes and TSA still can't figure out what they're doing. No agencies policies stay the same over a 10 year period. They've been evolving their requirements as the bad guys try new things like shoe and underwear bombs. Quoted:
Going for R & R who cares about taking badge anyways? I happened to be working the airport detail one day when a former coworker who works for another agency now went through on an outgoing flight. His badge went through the X ray just fine...it was the fully stocked EMT bag he was trying to bring as his carry-on that got him in trouble. He was standing there arguing with TSA because they wouldn't let him carry the various sharps and stuff in the EMT bag as carry on. He is standing there screaming at me that "the terrorists have won!" No buddy, your expectation that you could carry various knives and sharps on the plane under the guise of medical gear was unreasonable. Unreal. |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Any LEO running into something like this needs to ask to speak to a supervisor to straighten it out. If that doesn't work, ask to speak to the shift supervisor and if that doesn't work, ask to speak t the LEO on duty. |
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Check out Medal of Honor recipient Joe Foss. That incident is nearly 10 years old. Yes and TSA still can't figure out what they're doing. No agencies policies stay the same over a 10 year period. They've been evolving their requirements as the bad guys try new things like shoe and underwear bombs. Quoted:
Going for R & R who cares about taking badge anyways? I happened to be working the airport detail one day when a former coworker who works for another agency now went through on an outgoing flight. His badge went through the X ray just fine...it was the fully stocked EMT bag he was trying to bring as his carry-on that got him in trouble. He was standing there arguing with TSA because they wouldn't let him carry the various sharps and stuff in the EMT bag as carry on. He is standing there screaming at me that "the terrorists have won!" No buddy, your expectation that you could carry various knives and sharps on the plane under the guise of medical gear was unreasonable. Unreal. in regards to the things in bold, was the guy an EMT? |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Any LEO running into something like this needs to ask to speak to a supervisor to straighten it out. If that doesn't work, ask to speak to the shift supervisor and if that doesn't work, ask to speak t the LEO on duty. Friend talked to the Airport PD. Basically said the screener is an asshat but their playground their rules. He was then allowed to check his shield into the PD evidence locker. Im guessing it has one of the big diaper pins for securing it. One way or another seems they have the ability to make things up as they go. That being said, My shield doesn't have a pin and therefore I have had no problems. |
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Going for R & R who cares about taking badge anyways? Well what if he was planning on carrying under 218. Yes an ID card is fine. But you want something shiny with it just in case. For the record, we're going to NJ, NJ PA, MD and DC. Not the greatest places on the East Coast. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Not prohibited. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm ETA I had one double-check my badge once, he said it was because he thought it was a throwing star. I gave him a , a "Riiiight..." and just walked away...Ninja Cop!  |
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Well what if he was planning on carrying under 218. Yes an ID card is fine. But you want something shiny with it just in case. For the record, we're going to NJ, NJ PA, MD and DC. Not the greatest places on the East Coast. Nothing wrong with most of those places as long as you aren't going into a high crime area. |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Not prohibited. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm ETA I had one double-check my badge once, he said it was because he thought it was a throwing star. I gave him a , a "Riiiight..." and just walked away...
I have found, personally, that for some "not prohibited" things, you want to print out the guidelines from the TSA's web site, walk up to the friendliest (or least-grumpy) looking TSA agent, and ASK them NICELY about it before you even present the item. "Hey, I saw here on your guidelines that XYZ is permitted, I wanted to make sure that's correct." That way, their panties are not pre-knotted for the discussion. That has allowed me to take things in carry-ons which, while technically permitted, were pretty on-the-edge, and would most likely have been tossed had I not approached it in a friendly, proactive way. |
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So my friend, LEO in CA is flying out here for 2 weeks of R&R when TSA at Burbank airport tells him he cant fly with his badge.... All because it has a "Pin" on it. Seriously.. had to secure it with the local pd's evidence locker for safe keeping... WTF over.. Anyone else ever hear of this nonsense. Any LEO running into something like this needs to ask to speak to a supervisor to straighten it out. If that doesn't work, ask to speak to the shift supervisor and if that doesn't work, ask to speak t the LEO on duty. Friend talked to the Airport PD. Basically said the screener is an asshat but their playground their rules. He was then allowed to check his shield into the PD evidence locker. Im guessing it has one of the big diaper pins for securing it. One way or another seems they have the ability to make things up as they go. That being said, My shield doesn't have a pin and therefore I have had no problems. Mine has posts. I wonder which style is more lethal? |
I once came across two soldiers who were in transit. They had to go to a local shooting range. When they checked their M-4s into baggage claim, the scopes were properly mounted. At the hotel,they were stuck in a corner of the gun case. Was TSA scoping out the girls in the terminal? They also let me "buy in" with my own mag for some 3-shot fun bursts.
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Feels good, but it is also a great responsibility. Sometimes I wished that on 9/11 we had armed LEO's on those planes.....it would have made a difference.
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I have flown armed on different occasions and I never had a problem...... hell man in one flight I even met the Captain he stated " As of now you are on duty" and I answered "I hope this counts as O.T" Flying armed is such a good feeling.  |
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Feels good, but it is also a great responsibility. Sometimes I wished that on 9/11 we had armed LEO's on those planes.....it would have made a difference.
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I have flown armed on different occasions and I never had a problem...... hell man in one flight I even met the Captain he stated " As of now you are on duty" and I answered "I hope this counts as O.T" Flying armed is such a good feeling. Amen. |
A Federal judge ordered that a TSA agent perform frisks at a local prom because 2 girls were suing the security guards for "groping" them.....
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2122102.shtml WTF??? |
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Three times since 09/11 I've been lucky enough to run across TSA agents who wanted to take my flat, wallet badge (spring clip back, but star shaped) as it was obviously a weapon.
The last one honestly told me he thought I was going to take over the flight with it using it as a throwing star... |
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Three times since 09/11 I've been lucky enough to run across TSA agents who wanted to take my flat, wallet badge (spring clip back, but star shaped) as it was obviously a weapon. The last one honestly told me he thought I was going to take over the flight with it using it as a throwing star... Good thing the old chief went to the GIGANTIC LAPD style shields for us.
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Like every profession, there are good guys and retards.
I've flown a lot and never had a problem with TSA. I also take out EVERYTHING in my carryon that MIGHT be looked at suspiciously. Follow their rules to the T. Makes life SO much easier. Stop trying to make things hard on TSA. You have a job to do and don't like it when someone makes it hard on you. So do they. Follow their rules or don't fly. It's pretty simple. The TSA DOES have some not-so-smart employees. However, they deal with a LOT of slobbering, open mouth breathers too. And, they also deal with people who seem to think that the rules don't apply to them....yes that includes some cops. |
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Like every profession, there are good guys and retards. I've flown a lot and never had a problem with TSA. I also take out EVERYTHING in my carryon that MIGHT be looked at suspiciously. Follow their rules to the T. Makes life SO much easier. Stop trying to make things hard on TSA. You have a job to do and don't like it when someone makes it hard on you. So do they. Follow their rules or don't fly. It's pretty simple. The TSA DOES have some not-so-smart employees. However, they deal with a LOT of slobbering, open mouth breathers too. And, they also deal with people who seem to think that the rules don't apply to them....yes that includes some cops. I avoid flying....because I believe in the 4th amendment.
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Remember that TSA hires folks who don't aren't the sharpest around. I see security guard material who has suddenly been endowed with awesome federal powers. These are the same folks who told former (AFL?) football commissioner, MoH winner, former South Dakota Governer, Joe Foss, he could not fly with his medal. Some TSA folks are nice guys, but I've met some real dumb ones.
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Quoted: Fisrt off.... Why would I feel the need to make this up? Second. I'll copy and post the text messages from him... Its so outrageous I didn't believe it either... But hey... what do I know. I don't see how anyone could raise the BS flag on this, unless they've been under a rock the last few years and haven't heard any of the many TSA stories that are far worse. |
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Fisrt off.... Why would I feel the need to make this up? Second. I'll copy and post the text messages from him... Its so outrageous I didn't believe it either... But hey... what do I know. I don't see how anyone could raise the BS flag on this, unless they've been under a rock the last few years and haven't heard any of the many TSA stories that are far worse. Many of those TSA "horror" stories are of people who intentionally tried to create problems for TSA. Considering how many millions of people fly, TSA actually has a very low rate of complaints. I've flown many times and have NEVER had a problem with TSA. None of my family (or friends that I have heard) have had problems with TSA. Of course, we show up well ahead of time before our flights, we empty our carryon bags before we go through the metal detectors of anything that we aren't supposed to have, and we follow the instructions. Pretty simple concept and we breeze through security. I do not fly armed but I usually have a pistol and ammo in my checked bag. Never had a problem with that either....and that includes some VERY liberal states. If you are having a lot of problems with TSA, the problems aren't with TSA.....hint hint. |
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About 10 years ago the wife and I were at the Kansas City Airport to come back to Florida.
We were in a line passing through security when a TSA employee walks by the line. She was pointing at passengers and saying "I recommend" She walked past the wife and I, pointed at me and said "I recommend" I stood there in line not knowing what she meant. When I didnt move, she motioned a very large black man over who was in a TSA Uniform. He towered over me and in a very loud voice said. "The lady said she recommends" I look up at the very large black man and say, "I dont know what that means" He leaned forward and said again "THE LADY SAID SHE RECOMMENDS" OK, I'm a bright guy but I had no clue what they were talking about TSA employees crowd around us, I ask "What does she recommend"? The lady TSA employee finally says, "I recommend you take your shoes off" Why didnt she just say so. The "I recommend" must be a local thing. Seriously, I had no clue what she was talking about. Any one else experienced the "I recommend" |
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Fisrt off.... Why would I feel the need to make this up? Second. I'll copy and post the text messages from him... Its so outrageous I didn't believe it either... But hey... what do I know. I don't see how anyone could raise the BS flag on this, unless they've been under a rock the last few years and haven't heard any of the many TSA stories that are far worse. Many of those TSA "horror" stories are of people who intentionally tried to create problems for TSA. Considering how many millions of people fly, TSA actually has a very low rate of complaints. I've flown many times and have NEVER had a problem with TSA. None of my family (or friends that I have heard) have had problems with TSA. Of course, we show up well ahead of time before our flights, we empty our carryon bags before we go through the metal detectors of anything that we aren't supposed to have, and we follow the instructions. Pretty simple concept and we breeze through security. I do not fly armed but I usually have a pistol and ammo in my checked bag. Never had a problem with that either....and that includes some VERY liberal states. If you are having a lot of problems with TSA, the problems aren't with TSA.....hint hint. Well being as I wasnt there, I can only take his word for it. But it seems others have had issues with TSA and their badges. What I dont understand is this..... Shield and ID card are in wallet, if he had checked his wallet in his luggage would have been a non issue, but who would ever think to check their shield in their luggage as it could be construed as a weapon. Yet i read story after story about real security breaches at airports. Just makes no sense... |
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any decent TSA officer screener has left TSA for greener pastures within the federal system, and are now real LEOs, with REAL BADGES.
So that only leaves the retards. I put my badge in the inside pocket of my coat and let go through the xray (while watching it like a hawk) so the screen sees it and knows whats up. Never had any problems ....yet! Any and all state and locals LEOs should be given flying armed status if they want it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fisrt off.... Why would I feel the need to make this up? Second. I'll copy and post the text messages from him... Its so outrageous I didn't believe it either... But hey... what do I know. I don't see how anyone could raise the BS flag on this, unless they've been under a rock the last few years and haven't heard any of the many TSA stories that are far worse. Many of those TSA "horror" stories are of people who intentionally tried to create problems for TSA. Considering how many millions of people fly, TSA actually has a very low rate of complaints. I've flown many times and have NEVER had a problem with TSA. None of my family (or friends that I have heard) have had problems with TSA. Of course, we show up well ahead of time before our flights, we empty our carryon bags before we go through the metal detectors of anything that we aren't supposed to have, and we follow the instructions. Pretty simple concept and we breeze through security. I do not fly armed but I usually have a pistol and ammo in my checked bag. Never had a problem with that either....and that includes some VERY liberal states. If you are having a lot of problems with TSA, the problems aren't with TSA.....hint hint. This is BS-flag worthy, heh. The actual rate of complaints versus the number of people who fly may be low, but there are some entirely outrageous and inexcusable actions that have been taken by TSA agents in the recent past. Sorry, that's indisputable and you can't turn a blind eye to it regardless of what your personal experiences with them may have been like. |
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Fisrt off.... Why would I feel the need to make this up? Second. I'll copy and post the text messages from him... Its so outrageous I didn't believe it either... But hey... what do I know. I don't see how anyone could raise the BS flag on this, unless they've been under a rock the last few years and haven't heard any of the many TSA stories that are far worse. Many of those TSA "horror" stories are of people who intentionally tried to create problems for TSA. Considering how many millions of people fly, TSA actually has a very low rate of complaints. I've flown many times and have NEVER had a problem with TSA. None of my family (or friends that I have heard) have had problems with TSA. Of course, we show up well ahead of time before our flights, we empty our carryon bags before we go through the metal detectors of anything that we aren't supposed to have, and we follow the instructions. Pretty simple concept and we breeze through security. I do not fly armed but I usually have a pistol and ammo in my checked bag. Never had a problem with that either....and that includes some VERY liberal states. If you are having a lot of problems with TSA, the problems aren't with TSA.....hint hint. This is BS-flag worthy, heh. The actual rate of complaints versus the number of people who fly may be low, but there are some entirely outrageous and inexcusable actions that have been taken by TSA agents in the recent past. Sorry, that's indisputable and you can't turn a blind eye to it regardless of what your personal experiences with them may have been like. Note that I said "If you are having a LOT of problems with TSA....." Reading is fundamental. Anyone can have an issue with a dumbass TSA screener every so often. Like EVERY profession, there are dumbasses in it. Occasionally you and the dumbass meet. If you are a dumbass, you make the encounter even worse. When people talk about outrageous actions by the TSA....mysteriously the same stories come out. Rarely, there is a new story about dumbass TSA screeners. But, everyone likes to talk about the very few high profile stupid actions by the occasional TSA screener. Follow the rules and life is easier....try it sometime. |
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any decent TSA officer screener has left TSA for greener pastures within the federal system, and are now real LEOs, with REAL BADGES. So that only leaves the retards. I put my badge in the inside pocket of my coat and let go through the xray (while watching it like a hawk) so the screen sees it and knows whats up. Never had any problems ....yet! Any and all state and locals LEOs should be given flying armed status if they want it. I know of a few dumbass cops that have no business carrying on a plane....hell they have no business carrying on duty either. |