Posted: 11/4/2001 6:19:35 PM EDT
| Hopefully someone can refresh my memory, but what is / is not allowed on a post-ban weapon, regarding the combination of options/accessories. I know that you can't have a bayonet lug, a collapsable stock or flashhider, but I thought you were allowed to have a pistol grip and high capacity mag(with the exception of a few states CA, NJ and MA). If I wanted to build an AR-15 on a post-ban receiver, I'm wanting to clarify if it would be able to use high cap mag and a standard pistol grip? Would I really need a thumbhole stock and a 5 or 10 round magazine. I believe this to be true, but I was told buy a guy at a gun shop recently that you aren't allowed to use more than a 10 round magazine in a post-ban. I still see guns sold from manufacturers and importers that have high capacity mags. Can someone please clear-up my dilirium? |
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Pistol grip and detachable mag are fine in most locales (unless state law prohibits it) hi-caps (except for what you noted) are perfectly legal in a post-ban rifle. On a side note, you can have a flash-hider, bayo lug, etc. if you give up one of the other features (pistol grip, or detachable mag) but on a post-ban, pistol grip + detachable mag is the best combo IMO. -Gloftoe |
| Gloftoe, thanks for the reinforcement. I figured that the guy in the gunshop was/is an idiot. I thought that the hi cap mags and pistol grip were kosher, except for in CA, NJ and MA. I found a great parts kit fairly cheap and didn't want to invest the money if all I could use were 10 round mags and a thumbhole stock. |
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The law is that any semi auto that can accept a magazine must not have 2 of the following, bayo lug, threads than can accept a flash hider on the barrel, tele stock, and a pistol grip. Most AR's can accept magazines, ergo can't have 2 of the about. NOW, if you do away with the pistol grip( ie thumb hole stock) then you can put a flash suppressor. Also I saw an ad for "Cali legal" AR's thet don't accept magazines anymore, they have a fixed 10 round mag. Mag capacity differs from state to state, county to county. ie, NYC no hi cap mags, but Long Island (just accorss the bridge/tunnel) they are still allowed. Then again you can't even have an AR in NYC. Beware, I've heard that Thumbhole stocks may not satisfy BATF in regards to Pistol grips. |
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Quoted: NOW, if you do away with the pistol grip( ie thumb hole stock) then you can put a flash suppressor. Beware, I've heard that Thumbhole stocks may not satisfy BATF in regards to Pistol grips. Under the 1989 Import Ban, an imported rifle with a thumbhole stock is not considered to have a pistol grip. The Import Ban does not affect AR15s, which are manufactured domestically. Under the 1994 Krime Bill (which affects both domestic and imported semi-autos), a thumbhole stock is considered to "enclose a pistol grip", and still counts as an evil item. -Troy |
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Quoted: Under the 1989 Import Ban, an imported rifle with a thumbhole stock is not considered to have a pistol grip. The Import Ban does not affect AR15s, which are manufactured domestically. Under the 1994 Krime Bill (which affects both domestic and imported semi-autos), a thumbhole stock is considered to "enclose a pistol grip", and still counts as an evil item. -Troy Besides that, they are ugly as sin too [:D] |
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Quoted: Under the 1989 Import Ban, an imported rifle with a thumbhole stock is not considered to have a pistol grip. The Import Ban does not affect AR15s, which are manufactured domestically. Under the 1994 Krime Bill (which affects both domestic and imported semi-autos), a thumbhole stock is considered to "enclose a pistol grip", and still counts as an evil item. -Troy Only way you could get by the pistol grip thing, is with one of those little nubs that replaces the pistol grip, right? I can't remember a link to them, but the people that supposedly have the CA legal AR15s (which I don't know is true) have them listed on their site also. They're even uglier than a thumbhole stock. -Gloftoe |
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Quoted: ZM Weapons and [url]www.gogogadgets.net[/url] both have pistol-grip replacements with BATF approval, but these only count for Federal laws. The PRK has banned ARs and AKs by name, so features don't matter. -Troy Not to be an idiot, but that just means you can't have any MORE ARs or AKs, right? Existing ones are okay, until you die that is. You have to transfer them out of state before you're dead, or they become state property, right? Damn, that just sucks. -Gloftoe |
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ZM Weapons and www.gogogadgets.net both have pistol-grip replacements with BATF approval, but these only count for Federal laws. The PRK has banned ARs and AKs by name, so features don't matter. -Troy So if I put this pistol-grip replacement on my Postban AR, can I have a collapsable stock? Also, does the thing work? Mike [+]:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: The PRK has banned ARs and AKs by name, so features don't matter. -Troy Not to be an idiot, but that just means you can't have any MORE ARs or AKs, right? Existing ones are okay, until you die that is. You have to transfer them out of state before you're dead, or they become state property, right? Damn, that just sucks. -Gloftoe It means that only rifles that were legally possessed on 12/31/1999, and [b]registered with the state by Aug 2000[/b] are legal to own and use in the PRK until the death of the registered owner. There were two developments. The first was Senate Bill 23 (SB23), which reduced the number of evil features allowed on detachable-mag semi-auto rifles from 1 to 0. For example, you can buy a post-ban FAL or HK91, but the pistol grip must be removed. The other was the Kassler decision, which allowed the Attorney General to make a list of rifles he consideres to be "clones" of rifles originally banned by name in the '89 Roberti-Roos bill. AG Lockyer added all known ARs and AKs to a list, banning those rifles regardless of features. In both cases, there was a manditory registration period for people with existing rifles if they wanted to legally keep them in the state. -Troy |