Posted: 5/12/2016 6:04:19 PM EDT
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So I recently stopped by and bought a lower from a manufacturer with the intentions of making it an SBR after my approval comes in. Looking at the already finished SBRs they had for sale, the upper I'm looking to purchase has an 11.5" barrel and a Magpul MOE SL adjustable buttstock. I'll be registering the SBR under my trust. This leaves 2 questions:
1.) With the stock collapsed, which is how I will shoot it, the overall length is 27.5". Fully extended, as is the ATF wording, is 30.5". The paperwork he pre-filled out for me is for 27.5", which seems wrong but this shop sells a lot more of these things than I've ever bough. 2.) Once my approval comes back and I purchase the specified upper, did I manufacture it and therefore must engrave it? Thanks for any and all responses. I've tried searching and doing my due diligence but keep seeing conflicting answers. |
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1) Measured length is fully extended. That said, it's not exactly binding. You can swap uppers or stocks or whatever and it doesn't really matter.
2) If you are taking a non title II AR15 lower receiver and filing a form 1 to make it into a SBR, yes, you are required to engrave your info. Or that of your trust, or whatever the case may be. If you're buying it from a manufacturer on a form 4, they handle the engraving part. |
| Thanks for the fast response!! What if I don't want to mark up my receiver with my specific trust name for the sake of resale potential? Would I have to give the receiver back to the FFL I bought it from and let him hold it, with the upper, until a Form 4 is submitted and comes back? Or does that require additional engraving as well? It already has his manufacturing brand's name on it. |
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Thanks for the fast response!! What if I don't want to mark up my receiver with my specific trust name for the sake of resale potential? Would I have to give the receiver back to the FFL I bought it from and let him hold it, with the upper, until a Form 4 is submitted and comes back? Or does that require additional engraving as well? It already has his manufacturing brand's name on it. If your FFL is also a SOT, he can sell you a complete SBR on a form 4. The paperwork and process is pretty similar. Big change is if the manufacturer of the lower is also the SOT who manufactured the SBR (technically 2 different processes), the marks count for both. 
But the thing of it is, SBR AR15s as a general rule don't really get resold that often. Practically anyone can "make" one, why buy one with someone else's name on it? If it's not a factory SBR, next best thing is having your info on it. Other SBRs that are rare, unusual, or not really something you can do at home...those have resale value and show up for sale from time to time. |
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If your FFL is also a SOT, he can sell you a complete SBR on a form 4. The paperwork and process is pretty similar. Big change is if the manufacturer of the lower is also the SOT who manufactured the SBR (technically 2 different processes), the marks count for both.
But the thing of it is, SBR AR15s as a general rule don't really get resold that often. Practically anyone can "make" one, why buy one with someone else's name on it? If it's not a factory SBR, next best thing is having your info on it. Other SBRs that are rare, unusual, or not really something you can do at home...those have resale value and show up for sale from time to time. Quoted:
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Thanks for the fast response!! What if I don't want to mark up my receiver with my specific trust name for the sake of resale potential? Would I have to give the receiver back to the FFL I bought it from and let him hold it, with the upper, until a Form 4 is submitted and comes back? Or does that require additional engraving as well? It already has his manufacturing brand's name on it. If your FFL is also a SOT, he can sell you a complete SBR on a form 4. The paperwork and process is pretty similar. Big change is if the manufacturer of the lower is also the SOT who manufactured the SBR (technically 2 different processes), the marks count for both.
But the thing of it is, SBR AR15s as a general rule don't really get resold that often. Practically anyone can "make" one, why buy one with someone else's name on it? If it's not a factory SBR, next best thing is having your info on it. Other SBRs that are rare, unusual, or not really something you can do at home...those have resale value and show up for sale from time to time. Wait, the manufacturer of the lower is the FFL that sold it to me. However, he only sold me the lower to register as an SBR and to then come back to buy the upper. Does that mean the manufacturer's name, city, and serial numbers, who is also the FFL, can be used and engraving is not needed? |
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Wait, the manufacturer of the lower is the FFL that sold it to me. However, he only sold me the lower to register as an SBR and to then come back to buy the upper. Does that mean the manufacturer's name, city, and serial numbers, who is also the FFL, can be used and engraving is not needed? Quoted:
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Thanks for the fast response!! What if I don't want to mark up my receiver with my specific trust name for the sake of resale potential? Would I have to give the receiver back to the FFL I bought it from and let him hold it, with the upper, until a Form 4 is submitted and comes back? Or does that require additional engraving as well? It already has his manufacturing brand's name on it. If your FFL is also a SOT, he can sell you a complete SBR on a form 4. The paperwork and process is pretty similar. Big change is if the manufacturer of the lower is also the SOT who manufactured the SBR (technically 2 different processes), the marks count for both.
But the thing of it is, SBR AR15s as a general rule don't really get resold that often. Practically anyone can "make" one, why buy one with someone else's name on it? If it's not a factory SBR, next best thing is having your info on it. Other SBRs that are rare, unusual, or not really something you can do at home...those have resale value and show up for sale from time to time. Wait, the manufacturer of the lower is the FFL that sold it to me. However, he only sold me the lower to register as an SBR and to then come back to buy the upper. Does that mean the manufacturer's name, city, and serial numbers, who is also the FFL, can be used and engraving is not needed? Only if he is an SOT and he "makes" it into an SBR by attaching the short upper. But, seeing as how he's already transferred the lower to you on a 4473 as a Title 1 lower means that's probably not going to fly. I'm no expert in NFA and firearm manufacturing minutia, but for him to transfer it to you as a "factory" SBR you'd have to transfer it back to him, have him make the SBR under his FFL and SOT, and then transfer it back to you on a Form 4. That's the only way I can see you avoiding the engraving (which really shouldn't be an issue). |