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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:19:15 PM EDT
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No requirement for any marking.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:21:26 PM EDT
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Only manufacturers (Title 1 & 2) and Title 2 makers Re required to mark the firearms the manufacture/make. Since you don't fit into those categories, you're not required to engrave anything. You can if you so desire, and ATF does recommend at least a serial number to identify the gun in case of loss or theft. I thought that a serial number is required if it is ever sold or given to another person too. If that is incorrect I'm sure that someone will catch it here soon... No, there is no requirement for a serial number on a home made Title I firearm, ever. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:23:02 PM EDT
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I thought the excise tax had to be paid if the gun is ever sold, form filled out & sent in to BATFE, isn't there a S/N required @ that point? Do you pay the excise tax when you conduct a private sale of any other Title I firearm? Do you fill out any forms and send them to the ATF? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:25:01 PM EDT
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I thought the excise tax had to be paid if the gun is ever sold, form filled out & sent in to BATFE, isn't there a S/N required @ that point? Do you pay the excise tax when you conduct a private sale of any other Title I firearm? Do you fill out any forms and send them to the ATF? No, b/c the manufacturer or importer of my guns already paid the excise tax. Thought the excise tax on the market value of the firearm had to be paid if the gun was transferred to someone other than the maker. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 3:35:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Only manufacturers (Title 1 & 2) and Title 2 makers Re required to mark the firearms the manufacture/make. Since you don't fit into those categories, you're not required to engrave anything. You can if you so desire, and ATF does recommend at least a serial number to identify the gun in case of loss or theft. I thought that a serial number is required if it is ever sold or given to another person too. If that is incorrect I'm sure that someone will catch it here soon... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 4:13:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Only manufacturers (Title 1 & 2) and Title 2 makers Re required to mark the firearms the manufacture/make. Since you don't fit into those categories, you're not required to engrave anything. You can if you so desire, and ATF does recommend at least a serial number to identify the gun in case of loss or theft. I thought that a serial number is required if it is ever sold or given to another person too. If that is incorrect I'm sure that someone will catch it here soon... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:31:10 AM EDT
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I thought the excise tax had to be paid if the gun is ever sold, form filled out & sent in to BATFE, isn't there a S/N required @ that point?
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Posted: 6/16/2014 7:13:52 PM EDT
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Nothing required by federal law.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 11:00:36 PM EDT
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Civilian Use Only is popular. So is Rifle: Plasma, 40W.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 2:17:43 AM EDT
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Only manufacturers (Title 1 & 2) and Title 2 makers Re required to mark the firearms the manufacture/make. Since you don't fit into those categories, you're not required to engrave anything. You can if you so desire, and ATF does recommend at least a serial number to identify the gun in case of loss or theft.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:37:16 PM EDT
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No, b/c the manufacturer or importer of my guns already paid the excise tax. Thought the excise tax on the market value of the firearm had to be paid if the gun was transferred to someone other than the maker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought the excise tax had to be paid if the gun is ever sold, form filled out & sent in to BATFE, isn't there a S/N required @ that point? Do you pay the excise tax when you conduct a private sale of any other Title I firearm? Do you fill out any forms and send them to the ATF? No, b/c the manufacturer or importer of my guns already paid the excise tax. Thought the excise tax on the market value of the firearm had to be paid if the gun was transferred to someone other than the maker. Maybe, don't really know for sure. If I had to guess, I'd say you probably technically do have to, but then ATF tries to hit you with unlicensed manufacturing. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:48:08 PM EDT
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This thread is non-chronological. I seem to remember a case, probably 15 years ago or more, in Minnesota or some such frozen place, where a young fella got nailed for making rifles w/o a license. I imagine it's much more difficult to charge you for manufacturing if every once in a while you pay the tax on a lower you give to a friend or family member.
Non chronological threads |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:59:53 PM EDT
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In that case, where the sale is FTF with an individual a serial number is suggested but not required, but a FFL would need one to log it in for sale or transfer... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only manufacturers (Title 1 & 2) and Title 2 makers Re required to mark the firearms the manufacture/make. Since you don't fit into those categories, you're not required to engrave anything. You can if you so desire, and ATF does recommend at least a serial number to identify the gun in case of loss or theft. I thought that a serial number is required if it is ever sold or given to another person too. If that is incorrect I'm sure that someone will catch it here soon... In that case, where the sale is FTF with an individual a serial number is suggested but not required, but a FFL would need one to log it in for sale or transfer... FFLS do not need SNs to log in or sell Title I firearms. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:48:10 AM EDT
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I remember that if you mill-out a 80% lower with fire controls pins holes into a full function ar15 lower that you can't sell it.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:58:03 AM EDT
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I remember that if you mill-out a 80% lower with fire controls pins holes into a full function ar15 lower that you can't sell it. That would be incorrect. You cannot make it with the intent to sell it. That doesn't mean that you can't ever sell it. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 7:54:22 AM EDT
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This thread is non-chronological. I seem to remember a case, probably 15 years ago or more, in Minnesota or some such frozen place, where a young fella got nailed for making rifles w/o a license. I imagine it's much more difficult to charge you for manufacturing if every once in a while you pay the tax on a lower you give to a friend or family member. Non chronological threads There is no mechanism for someone who does not hold a manufacturer's license to remit FAET. Even licensed manufacturers don't have to pay it if they make less than 50 firearms per year. There is no FEDERAL requirement for a non-manufacturer to mark anything on a Title I firearm; IIRC some states like CA have their own rules. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:17:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no mechanism for someone who does not hold a manufacturer's license to remit FAET. Even licensed manufacturers don't have to pay it if they make less than 50 firearms per year.
There is no FEDERAL requirement for a non-manufacturer to mark anything on a Title I firearm; IIRC some states like CA have their own rules. Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no mechanism for someone who does not hold a manufacturer's license to remit FAET. Even licensed manufacturers don't have to pay it if they make less than 50 firearms per year.
There is no FEDERAL requirement for a non-manufacturer to mark anything on a Title I firearm; IIRC some states like CA have their own rules. That would not seem to be the case: http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f530026.pdf • You must file a one-time or occasional return if you owe tax but are not engaged in the FAET business. But S/Ns are not noted on the form, so it wouldn't seem that you'd have to mark a S/N to sell something you made. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:30:01 AM EDT
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That would not seem to be the case: http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f530026.pdf But S/Ns are not noted on the form, so it wouldn't seem that you'd have to mark a S/N to sell something you made. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There is no mechanism for someone who does not hold a manufacturer's license to remit FAET. Even licensed manufacturers don't have to pay it if they make less than 50 firearms per year.
There is no FEDERAL requirement for a non-manufacturer to mark anything on a Title I firearm; IIRC some states like CA have their own rules. That would not seem to be the case: http://www.ttb.gov/forms/f530026.pdf • You must file a one-time or occasional return if you owe tax but are not engaged in the FAET business. But S/Ns are not noted on the form, so it wouldn't seem that you'd have to mark a S/N to sell something you made. My bad, the same form is used for a non-licensee to pay FAET on an imported firearm. OP was asking about manufactured firearms, hence my response. Either way OP still doesn't need to engrave anything on his firearm, he doesn't have to pay FAET on it, and he can sell it, gift it, trade it, leave it to his heirs, etc. if he wishes. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:14:41 AM EDT
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Individuals can import firearms? Thought that went away?
If OP gives away, sells, or trades the firearm he made, only then does he need to pay FAET on it. Don't know the rules for his heirs. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:20:47 AM EDT
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Individuals can import firearms? Thought that went away? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Individuals can import firearms? Thought that went away? Nope, ATF Form 6. If OP gives away, sells, or trades the firearm he made, only then does he need to pay FAET on it. Don't know the rules for his heirs. Cite, please. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 11:23:44 AM EDT
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Nope, ATF Form 6. Cite, please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Individuals can import firearms? Thought that went away? Nope, ATF Form 6. If OP gives away, sells, or trades the firearm he made, only then does he need to pay FAET on it. Don't know the rules for his heirs. Cite, please. Ah, changed in our favor in 2005 - my mistake: http://www.ttb.gov/firearms/faet-faqs.shtml As of October 1, 2005, any pistol, revolver, or firearm that was manufactured, produced or imported by a person who manufactures, produces or imports less than an aggregate of 50 such articles during the calendar year is now exempt from the tax.
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