Posted: 4/14/2014 6:04:19 PM EDT
| Is it legal to ship my ar15 with no stock to an FFL? I am under 21, selling ar15 (without stock assembly and buffer tube) to someone over 21 and assuming that this will be legal. I know it turns into a pistol when the stock is removed, so that is why I am a little curious with my being under 21. |
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Does it become an SBR if its under 26 total without the stock? It depends. If you saw off 2" of an 18" bullpup bbl, so it has a 16" bbl, but is now 24" long, yes. If you remove the stock from an Uzi carbine, no. It's just disassembled. OAL is measured w/ the stock extended, hence an Uzi carbine folds to 24.4", I believe. The NFA was never intended to deal w/ the flexibility inherent in modern firearms. |
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Is it legal to ship my ar15 with no stock to an FFL? Yes I am under 21, selling ar15 (without stock assembly and buffer tube) to someone over 21 and assuming that this will be legal. It is I know it turns into a pistol when the stock is removed, No, it doesn't. 
so that is why I am a little curious with my being under 21has no bearing on shipping whatsoever.. <----FFL BTW |
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ok. at what point does it become a pistol? when it has a short barrel? Quoted:
ok. at what point does it become a pistol? when it has a short barrel? http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=70394195a3edf623eba7ce77a1bddff1&node=27:3.0.1.2.3&rgn=div5#27:3.0.1.2.3.2 Pistol. A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). If your rifle started out as a pistol AR, you could build it into a rifle and subsequently convert it back into a pistol. If your rifle started out as a rifle it remains a rifle. |
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Quoted: If your rifle started out as a pistol AR, you could build it into a rifle and subsequently convert it back into a pistol. If your rifle started out as a rifle it remains a rifle. See, this is one of the many things about NFA that confuses people. If I take the stock of my AR, it becomes a 16" bbl ungainly pistol, b/c it started life as a pistol. If OP takes his stock off, it's still a rifle, b/c it started life as a rifle. Side by side, w/ the stocks off, they look identical. It's purely a legal distinction. I'd love to see a set of pics, photoshopped if necessary, of an AR receiver, progressing through all the different stages of the NFA, from 80%, to pistol, to firearm, to PG shotgun, to sub-18" bbl PG shotgun, to shotgun, to rifle, to AOW, to SBS, to SBR, to machinegun (w/ RDIAS). Nearly all the pictures would be identical. I think similar things can be done w/ the T/C Contender & Encore, albeit not the machinegun bit. |
| Ok, thanks for clearing it up. Thought it was technically a but it is not. I called my local AFT agent and he said that since it still had a 16" barrel it was good to go. Also, (like you all pointed out) it started life as a rifle, so it is a rifle with no stock, not a pistol. Thanks |
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Postal regs deal with concealability. They are NOT the same as BATFE regs. Quoted:
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It is not a pistol. Its a rifle with no stock Postal regs deal with concealability. They are NOT the same as BATFE regs. This. Situations like this confuse USPS workers. Best to ship assembled. |