Posted: 2/20/2012 8:51:32 AM EDT
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What is the severity of the offense if someone shipping ammo via a common carrier were to neglect to label the package as ORM-D?
[Edited to correct ORM-D designation] |
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The civil fine for shipping an undeclared hazardous materials shipment could be up to $25,000 per day for each day the package is in transportation. I don't have my list of recommended fines with me but actual fines for first offenses would be less. However, criminal charges could apply if there was death, injury, or property damage resulting from the shipment. DOT does consider ORM-D material to be hazardous materials.
An undeclared Hazmat shipment is what caused the Valujet crash in Florida a few years ago that killed all on board. The people responsible for that shipment went to jail. |
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An undeclared Hazmat shipment is what caused the Valujet crash in Florida a few years ago that killed all on board. The people responsible for that shipment went to jail. Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592 |
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An undeclared Hazmat shipment is what caused the Valujet crash in Florida a few years ago that killed all on board. The people responsible for that shipment went to jail. Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592 I stand corrected. I didn't know the individuals were acquitted. Also, I checked the Guidlines for Civil Penalties in the regulation and the baseline assessment for offering an undeclared hazardous materials shipment is $15,000 per day for every day the material is in transportation, not $25,000. |
Good info... I recently purchased some ammo from one of the online retailers that was advertised as xm193 but when it arrived, it was in a xm193 box, but headstamp reads L C 6 0 without the NATO cross and there was no ORM-D label on the shipping box. Maybe now I have some leverage in getting a refund 
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Good info... I recently purchased some ammo from one of the online retailers that was advertised as xm193 but when it arrived, it was in a xm193 box, but headstamp reads L C 6 0 without the NATO cross and there was no ORM-D label on the shipping box. Maybe now I have some leverage in getting a refund I believe m193 isn't "NATO standard" hence no Nato cross. It is not unusual to see a mix of cross and "no cross" headstamps on Lake City brass. Do a search here or look at the Ammo Oracle here on Arfcom. |
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Good info... I recently purchased some ammo from one of the online retailers that was advertised as xm193 but when it arrived, it was in a xm193 box, but headstamp reads L C 6 0 without the NATO cross and there was no ORM-D label on the shipping box. Maybe now I have some leverage in getting a refund I think I bought the same ammo, with the same result. |
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ORM-D =/= hazmat   Correct ORM-D does not equal hazmat as far as shipping. Loaded Ammunition is not classifed as being hazmat. But Primers and gun powder are Hazmat. Also interesting is that Primed Brass is also not considered hazmat. Now I'm just going off when I order ammo or reloading supplies and Hazmat fee is not charged for ammo or primed brass. |
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So then, what is the rule here? Do I have to label the package ORM-D but not pay the haz-mat surcharge? Correct, for shipping AMMO it has to be shipped ground via UPS, I believe USPS does not allow shipment of ammo and I just found out from the link I post below that Fedex does require it to be hazmat. The box must be marked on the outside with ORM-D, UPS hubs might have stickers or you can print off labels and tape them on yourself. There is no Haz-mat fee for shipping ammo. This question about how to ship ammo can be found in the EE section here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_133/372846_Shipping_Loaded_Ammunition_in_the_United_States.html |
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ORM-D =/= hazmat Correct ORM-D does not equal hazmat as far as shipping. Loaded Ammunition is not classifed as being hazmat. But Primers and gun powder are Hazmat. Also interesting is that Primed Brass is also not considered hazmat. Now I'm just going off when I order ammo or reloading supplies and Hazmat fee is not charged for ammo or primed brass. Incorrect. ORM-D is a Department of Transportation hazard class and there are still portions of the hazmat regulations that must be followed. Ammunition reclassed as ORM-D is hazmat and is subject to the hazardous materials regulations in 49 CFR. Small arms ammunition is classed as a Division 1.4S explosive material. ORM-D is a packaging exception that allows shipment of smaller amounts of hazardous materials without having to comply with some of the marking, labeling, and shipping paper requirements in the regulation. That's why hazmat charges don't usually apply to ORM-D shipments. Just because a hazmat charge is not imposed doesn't mean the material isn't subject to the hazmat regulations. The whole ORM-D discussion will be going away soon. ORM-D will no longer be allowed after 12-31-13. Most carriers will stop accepting ORM-D shipments at some point early in 2013. Also, primed brass is also hazmat but they are not regulated in domestic transportation, only if being shipped internationally. |
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ORM-D =/= hazmat Correct ORM-D does not equal hazmat as far as shipping. Loaded Ammunition is not classifed as being hazmat. But Primers and gun powder are Hazmat. Also interesting is that Primed Brass is also not considered hazmat. Now I'm just going off when I order ammo or reloading supplies and Hazmat fee is not charged for ammo or primed brass. Incorrect. ORM-D is a Department of Transportation hazard class and there are still portions of the hazmat regulations that must be followed. Ammunition reclassed as ORM-D is hazmat and is subject to the hazardous materials regulations in 49 CFR. Small arms ammunition is classed as a Division 1.4S explosive material. ORM-D is a packaging exception that allows shipment of smaller amounts of hazardous materials without having to comply with some of the marking, labeling, and shipping paper requirements in the regulation. That's why hazmat charges don't usually apply to ORM-D shipments. Just because a hazmat charge is not imposed doesn't mean the material isn't subject to the hazmat regulations. The whole ORM-D discussion will be going away soon. ORM-D will no longer be allowed after 12-31-13. Most carriers will stop accepting ORM-D shipments at some point early in 2013. Also, primed brass is also hazmat but they are not regulated in domestic transportation, only if being shipped internationally. Does this mean that in the future all ammo shippments will have a hazmat fee attached?? |