Posted: 12/1/2009 12:54:08 PM EDT
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I was going to sign with the navy corpsman FMF reserve, recruiter won't have me ship till July which is way too long for my liking. But now I just talked to the Army about doing the 18X ray program. Anyone do it? |
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18x = 11b
Seriously, good luck if that's your career choice, but a few things to consider. You must first pass basic, then airborne, then RIT, than Ranger School. When you complete all of those, you are allowed to attended "selection" or Q school. You are NOT promised a Green Beret slot, you may not be selected at Q to continue training. If at any point in time past basic (OSUT) that you fail a course, you will be recycled 1 time, and then sent to active duty. So if you pass basic and jump school and fail RIT, you'll be assigned as an 11B with wings. Do some reading on Q course, and on its expectations, which are difficult to say the least. Alternatively, if you pick a different MOS you are welcome to try out for Q school. You can put in a Q packet and request selection for Green Beret training regardless of your current MOS, and if you fail, you will be returned to your primary MOS. Which is IMO a more win win solution. Good luck with selection if in either route, and I hope you find the solution best for you. (There's nothing WRONG with being an 11b, a lot of people take great pride in the crossed rifles, but if you want to do SF medical or SF commo you might be better off taking a signal or med corps job and applying for Q after the fact.) |
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18x = 11b Seriously, good luck if that's your career choice, but a few things to consider. You must first pass basic, then airborne, then RIT, than Ranger School. When you complete all of those, you are allowed to attended "selection" or Q school. You are NOT promised a Green Beret slot, you may not be selected at Q to continue training. If at any point in time past basic (OSUT) that you fail a course, you will be recycled 1 time, and then sent to active duty. So if you pass basic and jump school and fail RIT, you'll be assigned as an 11B with wings. Do some reading on Q course, and on its expectations, which are difficult to say the least. Alternatively, if you pick a different MOS you are welcome to try out for Q school. You can put in a Q packet and request selection for Green Beret training regardless of your current MOS, and if you fail, you will be returned to your primary MOS. Which is IMO a more win win solution. Good luck with selection if in either route, and I hope you find the solution best for you. (There's nothing WRONG with being an 11b, a lot of people take great pride in the crossed rifles, but if you want to do SF medical or SF commo you might be better off taking a signal or med corps job and applying for Q after the fact.) Wrong. You don't go to Ranger School on an 18x-ray contract. There is no contract for a civilian to go straight to Ranger School. If you're set on 18X. Get it in writing. Don't rely on volunteering after you're in. It's not guaranteed and there's a good chance you will end up somewhere you don't wanna be |
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18x = 11b Seriously, good luck if that's your career choice, but a few things to consider. You must first pass basic, then airborne, then RIT, than Ranger School. When you complete all of those, you are allowed to attended "selection" or Q school. You are NOT promised a Green Beret slot, you may not be selected at Q to continue training. If at any point in time past basic (OSUT) that you fail a course, you will be recycled 1 time, and then sent to active duty. So if you pass basic and jump school and fail RIT, you'll be assigned as an 11B with wings. Do some reading on Q course, and on its expectations, which are difficult to say the least. Alternatively, if you pick a different MOS you are welcome to try out for Q school. You can put in a Q packet and request selection for Green Beret training regardless of your current MOS, and if you fail, you will be returned to your primary MOS. Which is IMO a more win win solution. Good luck with selection if in either route, and I hope you find the solution best for you. (There's nothing WRONG with being an 11b, a lot of people take great pride in the crossed rifles, but if you want to do SF medical or SF commo you might be better off taking a signal or med corps job and applying for Q after the fact.) 18x and 11b are two differend MOSs, job and missions, hell as an AF guy I know this. I'm not sure how the pipeline course runs but I'm sure the BTDT guys will jump in and help you out. Also check out socnet.com and READ FIRST then post if you dont see your questions answered. |
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18x = 11b Seriously, good luck if that's your career choice, but a few things to consider. You must first pass basic, then airborne, then RIT, than Ranger School. When you complete all of those, you are allowed to attended "selection" or Q school. You are NOT promised a Green Beret slot, you may not be selected at Q to continue training. If at any point in time past basic (OSUT) that you fail a course, you will be recycled 1 time, and then sent to active duty. So if you pass basic and jump school and fail RIT, you'll be assigned as an 11B with wings. Do some reading on Q course, and on its expectations, which are difficult to say the least. Alternatively, if you pick a different MOS you are welcome to try out for Q school. You can put in a Q packet and request selection for Green Beret training regardless of your current MOS, and if you fail, you will be returned to your primary MOS. Which is IMO a more win win solution. Good luck with selection if in either route, and I hope you find the solution best for you. (There's nothing WRONG with being an 11b, a lot of people take great pride in the crossed rifles, but if you want to do SF medical or SF commo you might be better off taking a signal or med corps job and applying for Q after the fact.) 18x and 11b are two differend MOSs, job and missions, hell as an AF guy I know this. I'm not sure how the pipeline course runs but I'm sure the BTDT guys will jump in and help you out. Also check out socnet.com and READ FIRST then post if you dont see your questions answered. He's not saying they're the same. He's saying that if you go 18x and flunk a course you end up as a 11B. |
OSUT then 4 weeks of pre SFAS training then SFAS. If you get selected Q course. May god have mercy on your soul.  You're looking at a lot of time in training 18 weeks just at Benning plus 2 weeks selection just to get to the year or more of the tough stuff. If it's really what you want go for it just prepare for a battle. Edit: Cause I is retarted |
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Read Chosen Soldier. Talks about the whole training program, would give you a good idea of what to expect as an 18X.
From what 18 series soldiers have told me, there is more respect for you if you are part of the big army before being SF as opposed as coming in under the 18X program. |
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I'm also saying that even if you pass airborne and ranger, which IS AFAIK still in an 18x contract, you are not promised to be selected in Q course.
This is older info judging by the date on the memo. http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11561 This website is a wealth of information for people looking to join, but read their rules and adhere to them. They ARE operators for the most part, and are extremely helpful until you show your ass. (Note: I was wrong, it appears there is NO ranger in the pipeline as it stands by that thread) Regardless, all other information seems to hold true.) |
| Don't do it just because it sounds cool. Study what Army SF actually does, and if that's what you want, go for it, while realizing that there is probably no harder path to take than that. The best source of first hand information about the 18x program is the SOCNET forum (google it). Tread lightly over there, but you can probably find all the info you need just by reading. Good luck. |
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Quoted: Read Chosen Soldier. Talks about the whole training program, would give you a good idea of what to expect as an 18X. From what 18 series soldiers have told me, there is more respect for you if you are part of the big army before being SF as opposed as coming in under the 18X program. Hence the term "SF Babies". OP, you need to REALLY research and decide if that is a patch you want to take. I have seen guys try and not make the cut to end up with 11b. Just because you get the program doesnt mean you go straight to the Q. You still have to attend and get selected in SFAS, just like everyone else in the Army. There are more than a few 18's on this site, they may chime in on this. |
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I'm also saying that even if you pass airborne and ranger, which IS AFAIK still in an 18x contract, you are not promised to be selected in Q course. This is older info judging by the date on the memo. http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11561 This website is a wealth of information for people looking to join, but read their rules and adhere to them. They ARE operators for the most part, and are extremely helpful until you show your ass. (Note: I was wrong, it appears there is NO ranger in the pipeline as it stands by that thread) Regardless, all other information seems to hold true.) The 18x contract only guarantees you a seat in airborne and SF selection, what you do with it is up to you. |
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I know you can also get guaranteed Ranger batt, and 68w. I think they called it 68W with option 40. Combat Medic basically and Ranger Batt if you get through RIP. Some of the best training the military has to offer that will be useful no matter what you do when you get out, the medical training. Plus you get put in a unit that is considered more elite. The path to selection would probably be possible after this as well.
Again, just what I have heard from soldiers and recruiters. I have no first hand experience and hope someone like a recruiter or 18 series pipes up. |
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http://professionalsoldiers.com
Frequented and modded by active duy SF soldiers. Read, read, read before you post. Scour the website for any shred of information about your question. Odds are pretty good that the answer is there. Feel free to search other sources for the answer. If you still have a question after all that, ask it. Your question a.) will be answered succinctly, or b.) will not be answered because of OPSEC, or c.) is stupid, in which case they will notify you. Failure to observe their ROE will get you banned. |
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18X program = A good way to get 1 Beenie for every 22 11b's.....and get the 11b's for 5 years instead of the normal hitch.
Know more than a few guys that went that route - I know I almost did. Ripping my right nut off pretty much ended that shit. Only one got to stay in MOS and he had to run the Q course several times. Get a good MOS first and then if you feel the 18X bug try to take the courses at that point. |
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everyone i know who has done the 18x program has ended up in the infantry, typically at bragg. IIRC, the 18x program does not have Ranger school in the pipeline. as per the SF guys I have talked to/worked with they say that it is better for the teams and the individuals to go the long way through-join do a few years and then go out for SF. you will have a better chance (so they say) you will also be more mature and have a better understanding of the .mil and what SF does.
one of the shitty things about thinking about the .mil and SF in particular, you have to assess and be honest about your limits. not just physical, but emotional and maturity wise too. study a bit more and really ask yourself and be honest with the answers on whether you can truely handle what you will be facing. |
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Quoted: 18x = 11b Whole lots of WTF in your post. The 18X program doesn't send you to RIP. Quoted: There is no contract for a civilian to go straight to Ranger School. While that is true you can get an "Option 40" contract which gets you an Airborne and Ranger Indoctrination Program slot. RIP has recently become the Ranger Assessment and Selection Program (8 weeks). It consists of the original RIP and 4 weeks of additional training. Assuming you can hack it in the 75th Ranger Regiment and are deemed ready you get sent to Ranger School. |
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18x = 11b Whole lots of WTF in your post. The 18X program doesn't send you to RIP. Quoted:
There is no contract for a civilian to go straight to Ranger School. While that is true you can get an "Option 40" contract which gets you an Airborne and Ranger Indoctrination Program slot. RIP has recently become the Ranger Assessment and Selection Program (8 weeks). It consists of the original RIP and 4 weeks of additional training. Assuming you can hack it in the 75th Ranger Regiment and are deemed ready you get sent to Ranger School. That is true, a lot of people confuse Ranger School with RIP. I don't think RASP starts until next year sometime I could ask my buddy in 1/75 if he knows anything about it next time I speak to him, looks pretty interesting... |
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18x = 11b Seriously, good luck if that's your career choice, but a few things to consider. You must first pass basic, then airborne, then RIT, than Ranger School. When you complete all of those, you are allowed to attended "selection" or Q school. You are NOT promised a Green Beret slot, you may not be selected at Q to continue training. If at any point in time past basic (OSUT) that you fail a course, you will be recycled 1 time, and then sent to active duty. So if you pass basic and jump school and fail RIT, you'll be assigned as an 11B with wings. Do some reading on Q course, and on its expectations, which are difficult to say the least. Alternatively, if you pick a different MOS you are welcome to try out for Q school. You can put in a Q packet and request selection for Green Beret training regardless of your current MOS, and if you fail, you will be returned to your primary MOS. Which is IMO a more win win solution. Good luck with selection if in either route, and I hope you find the solution best for you. (There's nothing WRONG with being an 11b, a lot of people take great pride in the crossed rifles, but if you want to do SF medical or SF commo you might be better off taking a signal or med corps job and applying for Q after the fact.) 18x and 11b are two differend MOSs, job and missions, hell as an AF guy I know this. I'm not sure how the pipeline course runs but I'm sure the BTDT guys will jump in and help you out. Also check out socnet.com and READ FIRST then post if you dont see your questions answered. The X program requires you to go thru the B program first but not Ranger school. There's an article in the Washington Post about the program. The highlight of the story was how a 42 year old made it through. |
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Im not in a AOD, I have worked with them often and I think they are great to work with, I have never had a bad experience or anything to change my opinion of them.
I say go for it!!!!! you could go 11b and wonder if you would have ever made it or go to selection and do your best. you will learn everything you need to know when you get there. Just do it, you have nothing to lose, even if you fail out think about how many men in this country have never even had the balls to even every pass through the gates of Camp Mackall, but you did. |
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18X program = A good way to get 1 Beenie for every 22 11b's.....and get the 11b's for 5 years instead of the normal hitch. Know more than a few guys that went that route - I know I almost did. Ripping my right nut off pretty much ended that shit. Only one got to stay in MOS and he had to run the Q course several times. Get a good MOS first and then if you feel the 18X bug try to take the courses at that point. I think you ran through my lane during RS (if that's where you lost your nut). 
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http://www.specialops.org/resource/resmgr/images/getselected.jpg I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about but I have read this book. Some good info in there and it was written by a SF Officer and NCO. greatest book ever to get ready for anything hard in life. I actually took notes from this book and keep them in my wallet for when I get ready for really hard stuff in life and it helps. its very very positive. and the money goes to a good cause. |