Posted: 11/28/2009 6:57:40 AM EDT
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If someone is drunk beyond being able to diligently operate their motor vehicle, I have no problem with them getting a harsh legal smackdown. However, it occurs to me that when I was a kid it was nothing to see guys driving around with a beer in their hand etc. I have to say, I don't have a problem with that at all. As long as sobriety is maintained. What say you arfcom? |
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If you are too impaired to operate a vehicle, you should be punished.
However the state should have to prove you are too impaired. An arbitrary number pulled out of someone's ass isn't a good indication of differing individuals level of impairment. Open container laws are stupid. |
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If I open a beer on the way home from the carry out, and drink it during the duration of the drive (illegal), how is that one iota different than consuming it at a restaurant and driving home (perfectly legal)? It's not, except some Dave_A statist has determined one to be a criminal offense and the other fine. In fact, the driving with a beer scenario might be shown to be safer in that the alcohol is not reaching my bloodstream fast enough to impair the entire trip where the legal restaurant beer has had a chance to...although in both circumstances one beer will do almost nothing to my senses. |
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Quoted: If someone is drunk beyond being able to diligently operate their motor vehicle, I have no problem with them getting a harsh legal smackdown. However, it occurs to me that when I was a kid it was nothing to see guys driving around with a beer in their hand etc. I have to say, I don't have a problem with that at all. As long as sobriety is maintained. What say you arfcom? I agree and here comes the shit storm along with the tough guys who'll say a .45 to the back of the head for having an open container... |
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If someone is drunk beyond being able to diligently operate their motor vehicle, I have no problem with them getting a harsh legal smackdown. However, it occurs to me that when I was a kid it was nothing to see guys driving around with a beer in their hand etc. I have to say, I don't have a problem with that at all. As long as sobriety is maintained. What say you arfcom? I see, you don't mind them drinking and driving as long as they stay sober. 
It would be fun to have an arfcom GD drinking contest to see who could stay the most sober. |
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If your impaired to the point that it draws my attention or the attention of another motorist and they call in on you, then you invited me into your life. Chances are you'll go with me. If your stopped for something minor like defective equipment and you can maintain and dont appear to be a threat to the general public....off ya go.
Also.....I think any of age adult passenger should be allowed to consume as much alcohol as they see fit. |
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I am responsible enough to have a beer or two while I drive. If someone else is not, they can go to jail. And before the "you could kill someone" argument is used, here's a news flash: Sober drivers kill people all the time. i really hope this isnt a preface to the "drinking and driving should be legal" discussion 
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The "It's all the same" attitude is the attitude that is bringing our country down.
It's that simple-minded, feel good kind of thinking that gets kids expelled from school for pointing their finger and saying "Bang". The attitude that gets your money confiscated if you get caught with more than $10,000 cash on hand. The attitude that gets you labeled a terrorist for having an "arsenal" of guns and weapons. If you can't spare the intellect or time, to differentiate between "drinking" and "being drunk" Then you should be ashamed of your own stupidity and ashamed of the educational system that allowed you to keep it. |
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If you are too impaired to operate a vehicle, you should be punished. However the state should have to prove you are too impaired. An arbitrary number pulled out of someone's ass isn't a good indication of differing individuals level of impairment. Open container laws are stupid. yeah, i think its bull shit that someone can pass a field sobriety test then blow over the legal limit on BAC test and get arrested. they already proved they can handle them selves and their alcohol in the first test |
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I personally don't think the driver should be drinking, but if they're not impaired it shouldn't be against the law.
If I'm stone cold sober and my buddies are in the back seat drinking like fish, where is the harm? Open container laws are stupid. DUI laws are good and need to be enforced. |
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I agree with you in theory. However my expirence has been the person keeps drinking till they are DUI. Keep in mind that you only see the problem children. The responsible drivers that have a cold one on their way home from work will generally fly under the radar. In our modern day society, we are all criminals in one form or another. Only the stupid get caught. |
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if you are a passenger in the car, why the hell cant you be drinking?
the driver should not be intoxicated though. if the driver is under the limit, and there is a open container in the car and other occupants of the car are hammered. i see no reason to ticket anyone. for fuck sake they had a DD and are being responsible. whats the big deal about an open container? |
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Open container laws are beyond dumb. You're either under the influence or you're not. There is no reason that it is legal for me to slam back the last of my dinner beer at a restaurant before I leave but that I can't take it with me and sip it on the way home. As long as I'm not intoxicated there is no harm and in fact my BAC would be lower if I could sip it on the drive.
However my expirence has been the person keeps drinking till they are DUI.
How do you get that conclusion? If I'm not drunk and not breaking any other traffic laws, odds are you'd never pull me over to find me sipping on an open container to know. I know a guy that usually drinks a small cocktail on the drive home, it sits in a coffee mug in his console. I don't see him realistically ever getting an open container ticket. If he gets pulled over for a traffic violation he can down is drink and be left with an empty mug. |
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I agree with you in theory. However my expirence has been the person keeps drinking till they are DUI. Keep in mind that you only see the problem children. The responsible drivers that have a cold one on their way home from work will generally fly under the radar. In our modern day society, we are all criminals in one form or another. Only the stupid get caught. I don't disagree. |
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Quoted: If you are too impaired to operate a vehicle, you should be punished. However the state should have to prove you are too impaired. An arbitrary number pulled out of someone's ass isn't a good indication of differing individuals level of impairment. Open container laws are stupid. QFT |
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me 
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me
If you have a problem with a drink, then by all means, don't have one. I'm just sick of all the types trying to tell ME not to have one. Not everyone is an alcoholic, you know. |
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me
So because you're irresponsible, I'm irresponsible too? Do you feel the same way about guns? If you're not adult enough to ave them, no one should? I can manage to have a drink with dinner, not be impaired, and drive just fine. Don't assume everyone is an alcoholic or can't handle what you couldn't. |
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me
If you have a problem with a drink, then by all means, don't have one. I'm just sick of all the types trying to tell ME not to have one. Not everyone is an alcoholic, you know. I am not telling you not to have a drink, I dont cre if you drink untill you pass out but almost everyone has the same argument on there ability to drive after x number of drinks it seems. I still am around people that drink even though I dont. I just know alcohol takes away our ability to have good reasoning and the whole argument that most people are "OK" to drive is BS. I am not talking about a beer or 2 at the sports bar either
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me
So because you're irresponsible, I'm irresponsible too? Do you feel the same way about guns? If you're not adult enough to ave them, no one should? I can manage to have a drink with dinner, not be impaired, and drive just fine. Don't assume everyone is an alcoholic or can't handle what you couldn't. I was responsible enough to realize I had a problem with alcohol and stopped it and made big lifestyle changes to live a happy healthy life. And I was/am no different then a lot of other members on here so take it how you want. I dont care if you drink really
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Quoted: Quoted: I used to put mine in the back of the vehicle, I still dont have an issue with it myselfWhat if you wanted to transport an opened bottle of alcohol without intent to drink from it? I guess if you can't get to it from the vehicle, there shouldn't be a problem. |
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Quoted: And now that you are 'reformed' you do, right?Quoted: Quoted: dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me You used up post #2500 on these pearls of wisdom?  jus' sayin' |
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And now that you are 'reformed' you do, right?
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dont drive if you been drinking, how hard is that Someone who gobbles up the MADD propaganda, I see. You dont even know me, I used to be an alcoholic, I know how alcoholics are. I was a "functioning drunk" and always thought I was well within my limits but since I have been sober now for a lil while I have realized that drunks just drink away common sense one drink at a time. There is a fine line and most drinkers dont really know where it is at even though they think they do so dont be spouting off propaganda BS at me
You used up post #2500 on these pearls of wisdom?
jus' sayin' ha, I dont even really pay attention to my post count 
And I still have a long way to go and a lot of work to do. I am just in early growing phase of my life but it feels good
thanks for noticing
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Quoted: If I open a beer on the way home from the carry out, and drink it during the duration of the drive (illegal), how is that one iota different than consuming it at a restaurant and driving home (perfectly legal)? It's not, except some Dave_A statist has determined one to be a criminal offense and the other fine. In fact, the driving with a beer scenario might be shown to be safer in that the alcohol is not reaching my bloodstream fast enough to impair the entire trip where the legal restaurant beer has had a chance to...although in both circumstances one beer will do almost nothing to my senses. This sums it up for me. Yeah, I'll obey the law and everything, but it's doesn't change the fact that it's a nonsensical one we've all kind of "accepted" for no particularly rational reason. |
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I think it's very irresponsible to drink any alcohol while driving, no matter "how good you are at it". But as long as you are in complete control of your vehicle and your motor functions, I don't think you shouldn't be able to, if you choose. Is it "very irresponsible" to finish off your bottle of wine with dinner at the restaurant before you leave as long as you're not under the influence? This zero tolerance crap needs to stop. You'd think that a beer would turn you into a sloppy drunk from reading this thread. My drivng probably suffers more from getting up early in the morning than it would from having a drink. |
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Its all about the 'politically correct' bullshit that is drowning this fine country. And the filthy $$$. In my fine state of NH it used to be ok to have a open container, even consuming a beer/drink. Just don't drive drunk. Simple. Then MADD or some other group had a hissie fit, and now it is an automatic $500. ticket. And that includes an EMPTY beer can. "It's not really empty, some alcohol residue in the bottom." All ya gotta do is spend a day in traffic court. All the 'under 21' drivers busted for open containers, read empty beer cans, after a stop/search. I know, play stupid games, etc. Kids around here get totally intimidated by the po-po, and open doors, consent to searches, etc, etc, all the time. And I wonder how all those soda cans, beer cans, bottles, etc. wind up on the side of the road? "Alcohol is involved, (not always caused) in about 30% of all road fatalities" That means that at least 70% are caused by SOBER drivers. What is MADD doing about them? But it is much harder to prosecute a sober driver, impossible to legislate against stupidity, so guess who wears the bullseye? IMHO YMMV |
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Quoted: Its all about the 'politically correct' bullshit that is drowning this fine country. And the filthy $$$. In my fine state of NH it used to be ok to have a open container, even consuming a beer/drink. Just don't drive drunk. Simple. Then MADD or some other group had a hissie fit, and now it is an automatic $500. ticket. And that includes an EMPTY beer can. "It's not really empty, some alcohol residue in the bottom." All ya gotta do is spend a day in traffic court. All the 'under 21' drivers busted for open containers, read empty beer cans, after a stop/search. I know, play stupid games, etc. Kids around here get totally intimidated by the po-po, and open doors, consent to searches, etc, etc, all the time. And I wonder how all those soda cans, beer cans, bottles, etc. wind up on the side of the road? "Alcohol is involved, (not always caused) in about 30% of all road fatalities" That means that at least 70% are caused by SOBER drivers. What is MADD doing about them? But it is much harder to prosecute a sober driver, impossible to legislate against stupidity, so guess who wears the bullseye? IMHO YMMV 8/10. Needs more swearing. Well said. |
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I think it's very irresponsible to drink any alcohol while driving, no matter "how good you are at it". But as long as you are in complete control of your vehicle and your motor functions, I don't think you shouldn't be able to, if you choose. Is it "very irresponsible" to finish off your bottle of wine with dinner at the restaurant before you leave as long as you're not under the influence? This zero tolerance crap needs to stop. You'd think that a beer would turn you into a sloppy drunk from reading this thread. My drivng probably suffers more from getting up early in the morning than it would from having a drink. Ha,ha, you just need an eye opener.
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