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Posted: 2/24/2002 10:16:50 AM EDT
Do you really want to know? It will depress you! Even more than you could imagine! [size=4]US won't stay on top, says Clinton[/size=4] AAP - Sydney ACKNOWLEDGING the United States would not be the world's most powerful nation forever might lead to a better approach in its current international relations, former US president Bill Clinton said today. Speaking at the 2002 World Congress on the Peaceful Reunification of China and World Peace in Sydney, Mr Clinton said this "brief moment in history" when the US had pre-eminent military, economic and political power, would not last. "This is just a period, a few decades this will last, and I think that all of us who are Americans should think about this and ask ourselves how do we wish this moment to be judged 50 years from now," he said. "And how would we like to be treated when we no longer have this pre-eminent position and we have to work in a cooperative fashion with others to a far greater extent than we have to do today. "It seems to me if we would think about it like that it would be much more likely to lead all Americans, without regard of their party, to making the right decisions about how we should approach a lot of these problems that we face." The former president said he did not want to be critical of the current US Administration. "I feel that I should be careful in what I say [but] I believe that the [current US] President has been much more interested in international cooperation since September 11th, and I take that to be a very positive sign," Mr Clinton said. He also said he hoped President George W. Bush's recent visit to Korea would have a positive outcome. "I certainly have no illusions about the North Korean Government," he said. ". . . But the fact is they ended their nuclear program in 94, in 98 they ended testing of long-range missiles and in 2000 we had the elements of an agreement with them to end their entire missile program." Mr Clinton's comments come after Mr Bush named North Korea as one country in its "axis of evil" along with Iraq and Iran last month. Mr Bush visited South Korea for the first time last week. AAP See article at:[url]http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=national&category=general%20news&story_id=130046&y=2002&m=2[/url] Yes, Mr. Clinton, with presidents such as you, it does become a bit dicey as to whether or not the United States is going to remain preimminent much longer! Can you talk Hillary into not running? Or are you two even talking nowadays? Eric The(YouDoKnowWhatHistoriansAreGoingToBeTalkin­gAbout50YearsFromNowConcerningYourTerms?'Kiss­It!')Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 10:20:18 AM EDT
This from the Prez that let the bombers fly every time he recieved a blow job? Wonder why he never considered that during his Macchiavallian binges?
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 10:29:34 AM EDT
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Clinton is reasuring his supporters that while he was unable to complete the collapse of USA personally, enough traitors remain in power and those traitors will destroy USA from within eventually. Glad to see the HUN is catching these juicy stories. Hey, it's your job! And we appreciate it.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 10:37:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 10:39:02 AM EDT
Not that I'm a fan of his, but he's probably right. I mean we only have around 10% of this planet's population, yet we use up over half of its available resources. Obviously this doesn't leave the rest of the world w/ much to split. What WILL happen in 50 years as Europe consolidates, China & India expand economically, socially, & advance technologically? As Africa's population & problem's continue to explode? All of this in regions where we derive so many resources. Will we be sending in the Marines to make sure we have cheap coffee from Colombia, oil from Venezuela, diamonds & gold from central Africa? There's nothing wrong w/ espousing the view that we may not be on top forever. It's not unpatriotic & as much as most here despise Clinton, myself included, he's probably right. What would be unpatriotic would be to dismiss his comments and assume our powerful military & current economic leverage over other countries can last forever. Always plan ahead...
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:01:32 AM EDT
He did his part to ensure those words come true. I think most of what he says are feeble attempts to remain in the limelight. For arrogant people, nothing sucks worse than being a "has been." Eddie
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:08:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jobux: Not that I'm a fan of his, but he's probably right. I mean we only have around 10% of this planet's population, yet we use up over half of its available resources. (((acording to the latest reports, America is now the third most populous nation, behind China and India. The reason we use most of the worlds resources is because Pygmies in Africa don't NEED electricty or oil. I am of the opinion that teaching tribes in the Amazon to love autos and other major inventions is beyond stupid. I mean, if they NEEDED that sort of stuff, they'd have INVENTED that sort of stuff. The fact remains, America, and her European Cousins use the majority of resources because we're the ones who created demand in the first place. When I hear folks use that stat, and many do, I have to remind them that it is a meaningless stat. It's akin to saying the Eskimoes use most of the worlds Igloo building resources.)))) Obviously this doesn't leave the rest of the world w/ much to split. (((What does a grasshopper eating, bicycle riding Chinaman require for resources?)))) What WILL happen in 50 years as Europe consolidates, China & India expand economically, socially, & advance technologically? (((China and India are FOLLOWERS, not leaders. If Europe and America vanished tonight, they'd remain static. They won't advance any further than we lead them.)))) As Africa's population & problem's continue to explode? (((I'm sorry, but Africa is cursed with a problem of genetics. They can not be cured.)))) All of this in regions where we derive so many resources. (((because we are the only ones that NEED them.))) Will we be sending in the Marines to make sure we have cheap coffee from Colombia, oil from Venezuela, diamonds & gold from central Africa? (((Yes.))) There's nothing wrong w/ espousing the view that we may not be on top forever. It's not unpatriotic & as much as most here despise Clinton, myself included, he's probably right. (((We WILL decline, but not for the reasons he states. history indicates that Nations last, Empires do not. Empires are based on multi-culti hodgepodges that eventually collapse along racial and ethnic lines. America is hurtling towards that precipice now. It's the same thing that killed Rome.)))) What would be unpatriotic would be to dismiss his comments and assume our powerful military & current economic leverage over other countries can last forever. Always plan ahead...
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(((NO, what I see as unpatriotic is ignoring the root causes of our decline. We will become a third world nation because we are filling up with third world people. Mexico isn't poor becuase of a lack of resources. They are poor because of an over abundance of dumbasses. The same can be said for India and the rest of the third world. Blood will tell, and as hateful as they may sound, can we really state that the Pitbull and German Shepard have the same abilities?)))
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:12:59 AM EDT
What Goad said. [:(!]
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:17:01 AM EDT
As long as we remain the freest nation on the planet, we'll remain the most powerful, because we'll be allocating our resources orders of magnitude more efficiently.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:24:23 AM EDT
Jesred are you really as racist as your post would make you out to be?? GENETICS?? Wow....could you be so kind as to point out which Degree you have in Genetics? Is it a PHD or just a masters? If you had said that their tribal institutional society I would have agreed....but Noooo you have to go racist!!.... What ever else you may have had in your post went out the window with that comment.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:30:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jobux: Not that I'm a fan of his, but he's probably right. I mean we only have around 10% of this planet's population, yet we use up over half of its available resources.
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Look at what percentage of good things come from the US - we have about 5% of the population, use 50% of the planet's resources, and 90% of every good thing in the history of the human race came from America. Sounds like the world's getting a pretty damn good deal here. It's like anything else - the more productive you are, the more you get, so you can be even more productive. I hate to think of what the rest of the world would be like if resources were doled out proportionate to national populations. Between China, Indian, and Africa, close to 45% of the world's resources would be wasted.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 11:41:05 AM EDT
He travels the world on our nickle bad-mouthing America and supporting third-world socialist ideas. He did it as a "Rhodes Scholar" in the Soviet Union, he did it all through his failed Presidency, and he will continue now as Honorary Spokesman for the UN. So what are we to do? [puke]
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 12:45:01 PM EDT
Uhhhh, Stormbringer.....what does "racist" mean? I'd say that it is YOU that is the racist by refusing to acknowledge the achievements of one race while overblowing those of another. The argument you pose is one of semantics in my view. You say "tribal institutions" as if that is a distinct and separate thing that exists in a vacuum. You seem to be tied to the ridiculous notion that nurture trumps nature, or that culture creates man, instead of the idea that man creates culture. I point out that it is ABILITY that creates societies and you swoon? I had inserted the words of Albert Scweitzer on the subject, but cut them as I realize that intellectual honesty has taken a backseat to Political correctness in this land today. If you'd like, we can discuss the issue through e-mail as to do so here will make people wail and cry racist at any heretic that dares question the party line. As an aside.... Care to name any real scientific achievements of the stoneage people we conquered not so recently? After the invention of the sharp stick it's all pretty much downhill for many of those lands. Thank God we're here (The European) to increase lifespans with our science and encourage the overpopulation of the planet by peoples who only quite recently had to have 16 kids so that one might live to adulthood. It might be said that we are killing the planet with kindness.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 1:34:23 PM EDT
Sorry Eric, I didn't read the article. It's just too disturbing. For this guy to take a page out of his old playbook and go back to bad-mouthing the US overseas is infuriating.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 1:53:21 PM EDT
If you look at history, it shows that every great civilization that has risen has eventually fallen. Will this happen..... hard to say. If people realize why the other civilzations fell, then we might not make their mistakes. And hopefully, not having a 'big enough stick' is one of the reasons....... [uzi][rail]
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 2:22:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kaliburz: If you look at history, it shows that every great civilization that has risen has eventually fallen. Will this happen..... hard to say. If people realize why the other civilzations fell, then we might not make their mistakes. And hopefully, not having a 'big enough stick' is one of the reasons....... [uzi][rail]
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((((If we use Rome as the example most relevant to us, we can see that we are following their every mistake to a T. Rome was founded as a NATION, which means that they believed the descended from common ancestry. They were founded on race. America was founded as a nation that claimed common ancestry from European stock. America was founded on race as our history CLEARLY shows. Rome created an exemplary army of citizen soldiers based loosely on the earlier example of the Greeks. In fact, they copied much of the society of the Greeks. Rome eventually became an Empire that bestowed citizenship on non Romans from around the Empire. America created an exemplary army of citizen soldiers based loosely on the earlier example of the British. In fact, we copied much of the society of the Brits and at one time considered ourselves British. America has recently become an empire and bestows citizenship on Non Americans from around the Empire. At the very least, there was NEVER any doubt that we were merely an extension of European society. This "multi-culti" crap is relatively new in our history and is the root of our decline just as in Rome. Roman society became soft and soon came to depend on foreign mercenaries serving in their armies instead of the much better stock of Roman troops that had once won her wars. American society has done the same thing with our Army. It is now a hodgepodge of mercenaries from the Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Mexico and other far flung lands of the Empire. Rome allowed foreign tribes to enter her borders under the idea that the foreigners would assimilate and acquire Roman values. America is now being invaded by millions of foreigners who we hope will assimilate and acquire American "values". Rome was repeatedly sacked by these foreign tribes within her borders. American cities have been sacked by looting hordes of foreigners many times in our history. The L.A. riots is a PRIME example, where the majority of those looting were Mexican invaders who couldn't say Rodney King, let alone be enraged by it. Rome was sold out by a corrupt legislature that learned how to manipulate the foreign mobs through gifts of bread and circus. America is sold out by corrupt legislature that has learned how to manipulate the mob through gifts of bread (welfare, Affirmative Action, free housing, free medical, etc.) and circus (that idiot box called TV.) I could go on and on, but this is the short of it. Nothing in mans nature has changed and Empires ALWAYS fracture along racial and ethnic lines. Can anyone say YUGOSLAVIA?
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 2:25:57 PM EDT
Jesred....no I prefer to keep things in the open....I do not happen to be a fan of PC words and Ideas myself. That said.... If what you say is true then it would be impossible for these races to function or accel in our western world. As it is when removed from their environment they can and do. Is there a genetic element to success? Personally I think so to a degree. However on an individual basis this is not the case. Oh I have never swooned in my life.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:23:09 PM EDT
I hate this idea that we somehow need to be a bunch of apologists for our country's success. True, we may have more resources than other countries, but our founding fathers, our ancestors, and ourselves have worked harder and smarter than the rest of the world to make this country the most powerful. We have absolutely nothing to apologize for. We commit our military to BS humanitarian crap all over the world. We spread hundreds of billions of dollars around the world to every 2nd and 3rd world country every year. If this is arrogance, then I am all for stopping our arrogant behavior. Let's see where all these half-assed dipshits would be without our help. If anyone should be apologizing, it should be the rest of the world for squandering all the money and aid we give them every year. If we all accept Klinton's ideals then we probably will fall off the top. I have never seen a defeatist become number 1. Maybe it's their general attitude that keeps them from it. Duh!
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:40:44 PM EDT
Well Stormbringer....this will surely get me removed from the board but....... Let me preface by saying that I mean no harm with my observations. I merely report my own observations. We have all heard the myth of "economics" as the prime factor in the differences between racial IQ's. Well, that's not entirely true. The economic myth is not used by Asians or Semites. How could it be? These two groups score higher than all others on IQ tests regardless of income. Asians adapt to our culture in an astonishingly short space of time. A 10 years old with no ability to speak English may graduate at the top of his class some 8 years later. Yet, we have some poor performing groups in this land who STILL can't compete after being in our midst some 400 years. Many of them speak English as a second language of sorts, and one group as reported by "the Bell Curve" scores an average IQ of around 80. This is considered borderline retarded, yet we are told it is a mere matter of economics. Here is where that argument falls on its face. Poor Whites from Appalachia are generally VASTLY poorer than inner city groups who recieve much more in the way of resources. WHY do we not hear of these whites exhibiting IQ's of 80? After all, eceonomics IS the key we are told. The fact is, there are racial pimps who make fortunes pandering to failure by making excuses. "More money" we are told. "More money will solve our ills." We already spend far more than other land on schooling and still the failure exists and is getting WORSE! A study released last year crushed many of the social egnieers who so love communistic methods of wealth redistribution. A comprehensive study of black male teenagers who came from backgrounds of wealth and security showed that at on average, 17 year old black males read and performed as well as 13 year old white males on academic tests. We are told this stems from the residual effects of slavery. Yet, in Europe, where no slavery existed, the SAME phenomenon exists. How can this be explained? Races ARE different on average. This isn't to postulate that all whites are smart or all of (fill in the blank) are stupid. I do think that it is UNDENIABLE that in Africa NO Negro culture is remotely close to anything created by whites or Asians. In fact, on the continent of Africa the ONLY cultures of note are in Northern Africa, which is classified as white in population, and anywhere else Whites may have settled in enclaves. As Rhodesia and South Africa lose their white elements, these lands slowly descend into the abyss. Once fertile farms are returned to dust as blacks take over and destroy them.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:42:26 PM EDT
This may or may not have anything to do with the idea of "genetics" being Africa's problem, but I just finished watching a tape of The History Channel's program "The True Story of Blackhawk Down." In it, a young US Marine named Hussein Farah Aidid - the US-educated son of Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid - was deployed as part of the original humanitarian relief effort, and was helping to feed the people of his ancestral homeland. In 1995, Mohammed Aidid died - and his son left the USA to replace him as the clan warlord. Now, here we have someone who spent at least several years in a modern civilization, getting educated far beyond the dreams of anyone in his ancestral homeland and absorbing enough American values that he put the welfare of others ahead of his own and joined the US Marines. [b]But[/b], when the opportunity presented itself he threw all that away and took his father's place at the head of a violent, oppressive clan and worked to destroy everything he had just been helping to fix a few years before. Was this a cultural issue? He hadn't lived among that culture for some time; instead, he had been living among Americans long enough to be accepted into the USMC. Or, could it be "genetic," for lack of a better term?
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:44:36 PM EDT
(((Continued))) We have to consider the Americas as well, where Native populations were by definition STONEAGE. Hell, these folks had never seen a wheel until Europeans brought it. Our ancestors may as well have come from another world upon encountering these simple cultures. I still get choked up thinking of the European Cortez taking the city of Mexico, a city of over one million inhabitants, with a force of 60 men. The tragedy for humankind is that WWII was hijacked by Communists who in their quest for egalitarianism, forbade the topic from public discourse. Just as the Civil War has been hijacked and imbued with a morality tale of "The War to End Slavery", so too has WWII been attached to the myth that it was fought to make all the world safe from white racism. (Hitler was going to conquer the world and kill all non whites you know) That sort of shit enrages me. "Why...to NOTICE the differences between races means that Nazis will sweep down among us and kill all of mankind", say the commies. Oddly enough, it was the EGALITARIANS that slew the greater part of humanity under the heel of China and Russia as we willingly sacrificed half of Europe in our deal with the devil. It's all too ridiculous. As science was once forbidden from declaring the earth revolved around the sun, today science is forbidden to mention that differences deeper than skin tone exist among the races. My favorite hypocriscy is the current sleight of hand being practiced as we speak. Schools NEED to lower academic requirements because minorities ARE equal in all respects. This is said with a straight face by those who condone it. YET, another argument is being argued now that says we can't execute retards on death row as they knew not what they did. Since one group in particular is known to average 80 on their IQ tests, race is the factor in deciding WHO is executed and who isn't. Now...only genius white males will be offered the chair. They want it BOTH ways. "Let me in because I'm just as smart. Screw those biased tests that lie about my potential." Then in the same breath it is said "Don't execute me. My tests PROVE what a fucking retard I am." In an Empire where competing races fight over finite resources which will be TAKEN from one group and given to another on the basis of race, the racial issue is the tinderbox waiting to explode. That we can't discuss it for fear of reprisal or condemnation is the most galling of ideas to me. Ideas are off LIMITS? Yes, in a communist world. That we are now trying to ADD to the racial problems of this land having learned NOTHING from our racial disasters of the past, tells me that we are doomed. We imported cheap labor from Africa and have created a rift that can only be solved through intermarriage that will one day remove the distinctions of race. Now we import tens of millions of other cheap laborers that do not share our abilites, our values, or our goals. We have sealed our fate as a nation and have relegated ourselves to the status of footnote in some future history book ..... *The nation of promise that self destructed quicker than any other in history. As a tie-in to the original story of Clinton.... He once gave a speech to a University crowd declaring that it is a desireable thing that whites will soon become a minority in this land. I despise that Red Square loving prick.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:50:50 PM EDT
I believe Clinton is correct. Two decades is a long time in this age to be at the top of the food chain. In an unrelated observation, didn't they say that American caucasions will be a minority by 2025? Just an observation.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 3:59:38 PM EDT
You raise some interesting points, points that I'm not here to attempt to refute...because I think along similar lines! Do a little research on what Dr. William Shockley said on the subject. Incidentally, this is the same Dr. William Shockley who invented the transistor at Bell Labs. A smart cookie, by any standard. The fact of the matter is, evolution can and does act in a way that favors more rapid development of some species/subspecies/races faster than others, based on environmental factors. More challenging environments create more adaptable and resilient races. It holds true for every species on the planet, and why should we think we humans are any different? Humans are unique in that we can and do choose to go against nature's wisdom, to nobody's benefit. I simply wonder if maybe it's possible that Africans who were taken out of the bush and pressed into slavery were, to say it as nicely as I can, "not quite ripe yet" due to a slightly less demanding environment...in places, at least. After all, not all of Africa is a desert, and there's not a lion hiding behind every rock. Much of it looks pretty much like paradise much of the time. A good land to get fat on, without much in the way of environmental challenges to force rapid evolution. I only suggest it's POSSIBLE. But there's evidence in studies that backs up the basic assertion that there is variance in intelligence along racial lines. Not my data, don't bug me about it. Last I checked, it was no sin to point out facts. As for Clinton and his assertions: If he'd stayed as our President for another term or two, yes, we may be a third world country in no time, with that bastard handing over not just our nuclear weapons secrets to China, but everything else we have, too. He'd eventually have put the Chinese in charge of Lockheed's Skunk Works, with a direct fax line from the office to the Chinese President's palace. Maybe we should pursue a peaceful merger with Canada in order to secure our position as the largest nation on earth with the deepest supply of natural resources. Add in Mexico, possibly. One Nation, 150 states...the flag makers would have a fit! CJ Whose face would YOU like to see on the back of a milk carton?
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 4:03:36 PM EDT
Klinton hs never been a fan of the United States. If he was a supporter then he never would have gone to the Soviet Union during wartime to protest the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He never would have refused to serve in the military during a time of war. If he was a supporter of the US he never would have used his office of President to sustain personal gain. What he did in the White House indicated what he thought of the country. However, having said all that, lets keep in mind what really makes this country great - the Constitution. The values generated by the slave owning, gun loving, mean old white men founding fathers is what makes us great. Remember that the old Soviet Union had more natural resources but lacked the freedom. If we lose that freedom then Klinton is right and we has better prepare for the worst.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 4:16:20 PM EDT
Agree with the analogy of America and ancient Rome. As I've said many times..
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 4:40:41 PM EDT
Who will replace us? I can only imagine us going down because we wouldn't pay the price to be the best. Plus having Clinton, the America hater & apologist, just pisses me off.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 5:16:40 PM EDT
As to who will replace "us".... I am positive that if we could revisit America in 500 years we would find a stagnant shell of what once was. I won't go into it all, but I'd just as soon that it be utterly destroyed as turn into a nation along the lines of the indigenous cultures to the south of us. Since WE (by we I mean the Europeans) created this culture, there can be no replacing us. This country was built on the abilities of the people who carved it from the wildreness. Once we are gone there will be no driving force to continue it. In my mind the effects are already evident for any who wishes to see. Once Great Cities that were bright safe places to live and work are now third world hell holes. Our schools, though primitive by modern standards, once produced some of the greatest minds the world has ever seen. Today, the main goal is just to keep the animals from knocking each other up or shooting one another. Any trip to a modern Hospital emergency room is akin to a Peruvian bus ride through the mountains resplendent with goats, chickens, and the dull gaze of those just here for the free stuff. We can't be replaced, not and keep America a first rate example of Western Civilization. That is why I said earlier that as we fill up with third world people, we will become a third world nation. I'm in firm agreement with Pat Buchannan and his assessment of the factors that ensure the decline of the West. And it isn't just us, but Europe as well. Bewildered Europeans stand stunned as their cities fill up with the dreck of the world and they are made the poorer for it. Race riots in Europe? A common thing these days. Funny, who'd have thought that Europeans were to be denied a homeland of their very own? As far as I am concerned, the countries to the East hold the key, with Ukraine in particular. These poor souls are too set in their ways to understand the "hatefulness" of not giving their land to every third worlder with an over abundance of kids. I see this region as the absolute wellspring that not only CAN, but WILL resist modern communism.....I mean, didn't they just escape it? They know first hand what the egalitarians can and WILL do to a nation. It must be remembered that they lost 10-20 MILLION during the 1920's to the communists that starved them out as they tried to decimate this stronghold of "backwards" Christianity. It's unlikely that they'll allow smoke to be blown up their asses again. They've seen what it will do to a people. When Pakistanis walk through London callking themselves "English" then it becomes clear that the West is done. It has fallen to the scourge of communism without as much as a debate on the issue, let alone a shot fired in anger. Serves us all right though. It was US that sided with Communism instead of following Pattons lead of rearming the Germans and finishing the disease before it spead. We chose Uncle Joe Stalin and his minions, and now their cousins have us by the throat. True, we call it the Democratic party instead of the communist, but the result is no different.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 6:47:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jesred: Any trip to a modern Hospital emergency room is akin to a Peruvian bus ride through the mountains resplendent with goats, chickens, and the dull gaze of those just here for the free stuff.
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Hospital emergency room, Motor Vehicles offices, Social Security offices, Unemployment offices, AFDC offices, Food Stamp/Welfare offices, public housing, 7-11 stores... you get the idea. Yes - We ARE being overrun.
Link Posted: 2/24/2002 7:15:04 PM EDT
I believe history teaches us that all great nations/empires have eventually collapsed from within and upon themselves. Why should the United States be different? It wont be. W
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 3:18:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By waltere: I believe history teaches us that all great nations/empires have eventually collapsed from within and upon themselves. Why should the United States be different? It wont be. W
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I don't think anyone's denying this; rather, they're just saying that we shouldn't base today's policies on the premise that we should be careful of whose toes we step on now because we may have to kiss the asses they're connected to in 100 years.
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 3:34:12 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/25/2002 5:30:20 AM EDT
Since there are no frontiers left on the land masses of our planet, and no "unclaimed land" to claim, it seems to me that there won't be any such event as another 'fall of the Roman Empire' because, well, we're all too interconnected from one society and one country to the next. Maybe things will continue to slide downhill, but I think that if this happens, it'll be a global phenomenon. Not restricted to just the US, but applicable to all countries that are highly developed and/or overcrowded. In real terms, the US is NOT overcrowded, not at all. Only around the major population centers. Incidentally, among industrialized nations, crime per capita increases as a function of population density. People become aggressive when crowded, and this applies to many animals as well. Reason enough to avoid living in big cities. The first country to fall to overcrowding should by rights be India, but there's a problem there: They're not an empire by any stretch of the imagination and don't have far to fall. Of their billion people, most of them live in total poverty already. China also has a population issue, but they also have a lot of land, and they have population controls in place. They are showing some sensibility, and if the US were to be displaced as the premiere superpower, China is most likely to be the successor. Japan is outrageously overcrowded. The only thing saving them from collapse is that it's very easy to leave the country and go elsewhere, and a lot of the population is doing that. Something ODD: The World Health Organization (WHO, great acronym...not!) has stated that they believe that a 95 percent decrease in the world's population would be a good thing for the stability of our race and our planet. Oddly enough, they're always not TOO far away (as in 200 miles or less) from new outbreaks of Ebola and other major-league nastiness. Is this coincidence, or are they spreading a population cure, maybe in trial runs? Paranoia? Not mine. A friend pointed this out. CJ
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 5:45:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cmjohnson: In real terms, the US is NOT overcrowded, not at all. Only around the major population centers. The first country to fall to overcrowding should by rights be India... China also has a population issue, but they also have a lot of land... Japan is outrageously overcrowded.
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Something to note - amount of land does not determine how much population a nation can support. Water does. Human civilizations always cluster around water sources. So China and India have serious population problems in spite of their large land size.
Something ODD: The World Health Organization (WHO, great acronym...not!) has stated that they believe that a 95 percent decrease in the world's population would be a good thing for the stability of our race and our planet.
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Yeah, isn't it always interesting that these anti-human blowhards always think the way to alleviate "our" problems is to make "us" go away - kind of the way Hitler and Stalin thought too. But no anti-human internationalist will ever include THEMSELVES in those who ought to be allowed to be wiped out.
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:07:53 AM EDT
Jesred, You make some very good points, and draw some interesting parallels. But what in your estamation is the solution? What do we do, or is it as you stated earlier that we've sealed our fates, and it's just a matter of time? As to being of a european race, or to say white, or to say caucasian, that includes indians (east), does it not? How do you explain their delemma? Thanks for the opinions, patiently awaiting a response. -CK
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:16:10 AM EDT
Last week some students at Georgia State University (downtown Atlanta) tried to start a Republican club on the campus. You would think diversity works both ways and the debate would be welcomed. Of course we could all predict the outcome. The Republican students were branded as racist, mean spririted, polluters, killers, violent extremist, woman-hating, greedy, etc... I bring that up to make this point: Could you imagine a debate like the one going on here happening on ANY college campus in America? We all know that would never be allowed. What we need to ask ourselves is how we got to here. How does the left manage to whine about diversity on the one hand and completely stiffle it on the other without a whimper of protest from the typical American, much less the dominate media? I'll stop...for now.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2002 7:19:36 AM EDT
Only two ways that I see the US loosing it's superpower status for the next oh, say, 20 years. A.) A global thermonuclear war. Technicaly we might still be on top, but that position would have become very academic B.) A colonial Mars gains independence from the US, and the new goverment is one free of a tax code that punishes the sucessful, remove goverment interference in the people's everyday lives, and has no firearms ownership laws. (the last would just be icing on the cake) This wouldn't really even be unempowering the United States, just bumping them down to number two. Clinton is a traitor, plain and simple...when will people figure out that a donkey is just another way to draw a syth and hammer?
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 7:59:18 AM EDT
I had hoped that when his term of office expired he and his evil wife would just go back to Arkansas and crawl back under the rock from wence they came... I hoped in vain!
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 8:47:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: Does each generation have to learn the same lessons?
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No, because there has yet to be even one generation that actually DID learn its lesson - with the possible exception of the FFs. Hate is a powerful motivator. Those who seek power tend to cultivate it among the masses. As long as there is an amoral, uneducated populace of sheeple, the rulers will use their hate to prevent unity. With unity comes less of a need for rulers to step in and "save the day".
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 11:36:17 AM EDT
On balance there is FAR more "hate" on the left than the right. Of course the current media propaganda machine has the majority of Americans believing otherwise. We need to understand that people like the Clintons (which includes the entire left) hate freedom loving Americans from the bottom of their evil little hearts. Is hate wrong? Is it always bad? Do you hate child molesters? Murderers? Ira Einhorn? Richard Allen Davis? Ted Bundy? Osama Bin Laden? Manson? Hitler? Dershowitz? (just kidding, a little) Pick your personal favorite. You can love 'em. I'd pull the trigger on any one of them. Gladly.
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 12:35:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cck: Jesred, You make some very good points, and draw some interesting parallels. But what in your estamation is the solution? What do we do, or is it as you stated earlier that we've sealed our fates, and it's just a matter of time? As to being of a european race, or to say white, or to say caucasian, that includes indians (east), does it not? How do you explain their delemma? Thanks for the opinions, patiently awaiting a response. -CK
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No it does not. Indians (both those from India and the "indians" that are "native american") are Asian
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 5:13:06 PM EDT
Actually, I believe Indians (from India) are Aryan.
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 5:44:35 PM EDT
What will America be like in 100 years? I do not worry about it a lot because I will be DEAD. I have faith that the Americans that come when I am gone will be able to deal with the current problems. What about the Natural Resources like Oil? I say everyone should buy a big SUV and let’s burn up all the oil. When the oil is gone, we will just invent alternative fuel cars that much faster.
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:36:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: The large cites here haven't been safe since the late 1800's when masses of poor European people came over in boat loads. Probably before that even. (((PULLLEEEEEZE! Last stat I saw showed the two largest murder rates as belonging to America and South Africa. The common denominator? Blacks running haywire. If you doubt me, read current FBI crime stats that show Blacks overwhelmingly as the primier killers in society, even though they make up a tiny portion of the population. In fact, white stats are driven artificially higher by lumping Mexicans and other "Hispanics" in as white. A hateful lie on my part? NOPE, just an observation of recorded statistics on the matter.))))) I feel no safer in the barrio of LA, the ghettos of south Chicago or downtown skid row in Seattle. Do you really care what the color of the guy sticking the knife into your wife is? (((Stop it...My sides are aching! Let me drop you off in the black part of town at 3 am in Dallas. After they find your naked bleeding body, IF they find your body, We'll draw other conclusions. The FACT is that white areas are remarkably lower in crime than non white areas. Need proof of the racial aspect of crime? Do not be angry at me for pointing out these "inconvenient" facts of life. Want a few prison stats? Look at the murder rate of poor white areas comparative to poor black areas. White areas of town are SO dangerous that people are FLOCKING to them. Ever heard of white flight? They aren't running from other whites. Were I black and saying this, you'd be falling over yourself to agree. As the self appointed thought police, you feel the need to chatize me for failing to worship the same Gods as you. Also, the odds of you getting killed over your wallet by a white is miniscule compared to the "hate crimes" that have been going on against whites by non whites in this land for the last 40 years. Need the murder rates of whites killed by blacks in comparison to blacks killed by whites? Read the FBI stats on the matter.)))) What race would be the United States in this war between the races that you and Charlie Manson are warning about? (((Good lord...not the ol' Manson reference. What next? Gonna paint me as Klan or Nazi in an effort to discredit me? Tell you what...sacrifice YOUR kids on the altar of the inner city school district. If they graduate, and if the therapy helps them, they MAY forgive you for "experimenting" with their lives and safety, but I wouldn't bet on it. Yep, those white neighborhoods are KNOWN for their vicious murder rate. On what planet do you reside?)))) America does so well because of what freedom does to people not the genetic code despite what the Nazis expounded. (((Yep! That's WHY they are all flocking to EUROPEAN cultures, huh? Stop the obfuscation. I mean, I'd love to join you in a rousing sing along of "Hands across the water" or "We are the world" but I'm not big on egalitarianism. It's a commie thing you know.)))) This is a country of people not races. A country of great people not great white people. (((So I'll expect you to move to the projects immediately?))))
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:45:12 PM EDT
What never ceases to amaze me is that some people focus on the 1% that makes them different than the guy next to them rather than the 99% that makes them the same. (((Uhhhh, is there a cliche that you don't use? How about..."He's a poor child who had to kill to survive?" Sorry, life isn't one big hug, and cliches don't keep the kids safe.)))) If the guy living next to me is a squared away guy should I hate him because his mother was 100% Hawaiian? (((No one said you should hate ANYONE. No one said you should kiss every snake on the lips to see which one bites either. I'd imagine that I've done more to help non whites in a personal manner than have you. I refuse to trot out a list of my "black" friends to make you feel better though. I can assure you that many blacks agree with my sentiments though.I'm not afraid to discuss it with them. You see, words are the building blocks of ideas, and neither scares me.))) Should I hate my boss because his skin has more pigment than mine? Should I refuse treatment from my doctor because he was born in India? Hate my co-worker because she's from Peru, another from Brazil? Should I hate a man based on the color of his skin? (((Should I live life for the exception while forgetting the rule to please your communist sensibilities?)))) Should I love Bill Clinton, Diane Fienswine, Barbara Boxer, because they're the same color as me? (You ask too much.) (((Uhhh, Boxer and Feinstein are of Middle Eastern extraction.))) I judge people on the content of their character not the color of their skin … or their IQ's. (((So I assume that you searched out the stupidest example of womanhood to make your wife just because she had a pure heart?))) I dare say Slick Willie's IQ would put both of ours to shame yet I don't admire him or you. (((You assume too much. My IQ is in the top 2%. As for your admiration....I'm not in the habit of courting "approval" for my thoughts or observations. If you disagree, then so be it. Don't try to silence me to soothe your own inadequacies though.))) Should I connect at some level with a skinhead because his nose is shaped like mine? (((Nope. You could try to connect with a few cut throat crackheads down on Second Avenue to show that your heart is in the right place.))))
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:45:56 PM EDT
(((continued)))) Where does all the [i]hate[/i] come from? It has to be pretty deep because these people can't seem to see anything without seeing colors. (((Hate? The only HATE I see is from you, as you blindly try to label ideas and sentiments that you disagree with and seem to despise the culture that created this land. You will be the judge of mens hearts, it's a "gift" your sort is blessed with. Dare I say that it is YOU that is the "hater" You hate discussion and free exchange of thought, so you must try to assign your values in an attempt to discredit and drown out. The mark of the intellectual shrew, I'd figure that you could very well work in a university where entire concepts are off limits as "too spooky" for the mind to concieve. To paraphrase Jefferson, "there is NO TRUTH that I would wish unknown to the world." Yet, you wish to block off entire AVENUES of thought that frighten you terribly. "Don't look in that room"" you cry. "It'll corrupt your mind and steal your soul." The new religion, Egalitarianism. Where man is unremarkable and only allowed to achieve within the parameters as defined by you. Legislation will keep the better fliers from leaving those that don't soar as high. It's communism in essence AND practice, and not of MY tribe, nor of MY tradition. Sorry, I advocate NO hate. I advocate observation and free speech on subjects that you deem as taboo. In that sense let me make clear that YOUR demons do not frighten me and I most likely will not worship at YOUR altar. The day I need you to think for me, to put words in my mouth, and emotions such as "hate" in my heart, I'll call you. Until then, I'll, continue to point out that the ostrich IS a flightless bird, your claims notwithstanding.))))) Does each generation have to learn the same lessons?[/quote] (((Obviously, as this lesson of "multi-culturalism is as old as man and has always failed.))))
Link Posted: 2/25/2002 6:58:12 PM EDT
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