Posted: 11/18/2009 4:27:43 PM EDT
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Imani smacks them around pretty good.
HH –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Islam Bashers Repent Amil Imani 17 Nov 2009 http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=3230 What does it take to make Islam bashers mend their ways? Why don’t these folks come to their senses and see Islam as a religion of peace and praise the God of Abraham for continuing his beneficence on humanity by sending Muhammad to guide and humanize us? Why is it that some people keep criticizing a religion that has nearly 1.5 billion followers throughout the world? Now, if this faith was indeed what its detractors claim it is, wouldn’t these masses of people see through it and dump it? Didn’t our very own President go around the Muslim heartland and sing the praises of Islam at every stop? Didn’t he bow with great deference to the King of Islam in Saudi Arabia? Didn’t he proudly proclaim Islam as the faith of his dear and near kindred? Didn’t he, time and again, tell us that Islam is indeed the religion of peace? Didn’t he with his captivating oratory skills cite passages from the Quran to show how reverent he was toward this religion? Didn’t he appoint a raft of “devoted” Muslims to sensitive and high posts in government? Even ignoring the President’s behavior and pronouncements, we have numberless others in the know such as politicians, media experts, academics and what nots who keep preaching to us that Islam is indeed a sanctified religion wrongly vilified by a bunch of hatemongers. After all, its very name means peace. How could anyone possibly have anything but praise for a religion called peace? What is more precious than peace? Exacerbated, the champions of the religion of peace bemoan: what does it take to convince the detractors of Islam to stop their unceasing effort to present a distorted image of this wonderful world-encircling religion? Well, just a few problems that makes taking the President’s remarks and actions, as well as all the other Islamic apologists and know-it-alls, difficult. * Claiming “Islam” means “peace” is fraudulent to begin with. Islam is an Arabic word. And the word for peace in Arabic is “solh,” and not Islam. Islam is derived from the root word “taslim,” which means submission or surrender. Hence, Islam’s true name, surrender, is in fact most descriptive of what it is: total, unconditional submission and surrender of the individual and the community to the will and dictates of Allah as revealed by his “rasool,” messenger, Muhammad. * Further proof of the fraudulent nature of billing Islam as a religion of peace is the irrefutable fact that Muhammad himself led his followers during his lifetime in 78 battles, only one of which was defensive in nature * Perusing the religion of peace’s holy book, the Quran, taken by Muslims as the literal revelation of Allah, reads more like a manual of intolerance and war than a divinely-revealed prescription from a benevolent God for a life of brotherhood and peace. Quran 2:216 "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not." Quran 8:65 "O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence" * Deeds speak louder than words. From its very inception, Islam was a movement of violence. Violence both within its ranks as well as against the non-Muslims has been the unceasing practice. The minute Muhammad died, jockeying for power among his disciples led to numberless murders and battles. The faith of peace never saw peace even within its own ranks and never allowed the rest of the world any peace at all by lashing out to other lands near and far. * A quick scan of the daily news shows the adherent of the religion of peace engaged in unspeakable acts of mayhem and murder in much of the world. There is hardly any need to allude to them here. But the Islamists have an answer for that too. Islam is not responsible, they say. It is only a bunch of opportunists who commit these acts for their own political and economic objectives. We are to believe that those daily suicide bombers explode their vests in the midst of marketplaces, funeral processions, and even mosques are doing so to further their own personal agenda. * All these aside, a recent report from the FBI estimates that of the 2000 mosques in the United States, 10% preach Jihad. Welcome to the religion of peace as it is invading the land of the free to make it the land of submission. This is not some Islam-hating crackpot group reporting. It is the FBI, an agency known for its bending backward to be politically correct in tune with the rest of the administration. * The Muslim population is rapidly burgeoning in America by high birth rate as well as successful extensive conversion in prisons. Even by the rules of probability, a fraction of these Muslims may be deeply influenced by the Jihad preachers and take upon themselves Islamist missions of various severity and destruction. How many Jihadists did it take to pulverize the NY Trade Centers? It took one Maj. Nidal Hasan to take the life of 13 and injure 29 others in an outburst of Islamic peace-making. * Islamist apologists come in all shades. There are true faithful who are out and out in front about it. They believe Islam and its ways are the answer. It doesn’t matter whether it is seen as good or bad by others. Then there are those who are hired mouthpieces who are like lawyers that defend a murderer to the limit of their ability simply because they are paid to do so. That’s their chosen profession. We may not like either of the above two types, yet it is understandable. * What really is hard to deal with are those who either, through ignorance or a misplaced sense of fairness and multiculturalism, keep saying that Islam itself is not bad, the Quran contains no more violence than does the Bible, and that the moderate Muslims who are the vast majority are good people and need to do something about the criminal minority. These folks go even a step further and call those of us who sound the alarm against Islam in general, as unjustified hatemongers. But the notion of moderate Muslims is an illusion created by the wishful thinking of a good-hearted yet deluded people. The so-called minority Jihadist-types are indeed the real Muslims. These Jihadists hate the so called moderate Muslims as much as they hate the kefirs – the infidels. And it is always the small group, the militant minority that eventually topples the complacent uncaring majority. History is replete with support of this contention. In my view, truth and the naked truth should be the only standard. No sugar-coating, no political correctness, no hired-guns to cover up for the Islam menace that has inflicted humanity for so long and keeps marching across the globe for doing more harm. So who is to repent? A Muslim by any other name is a Muslim. It is the human calling for every Muslim to cast off the chain of Islam and take his or her rightful place along the ranks of the truly peaceful and free people of the world. |
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Who gives a shit what the religion was in 800AD and if it was designed as being peaceful or not.
We can't kill all of them and they can't kill all of us. So.... If you let the terrorists define Islam than you have sentenced us to a Forever War. If you help the peaceful Muslims define their religion than we might have (more) peaceful times in the future. Sounds like that guy (and many here) is in the 1st group. |
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Quoted: Who gives a shit what the religion was in 800AD and if it was designed as being peaceful or not. We can't kill all of them and they can't kill all of us. So.... If you let the terrorists define Islam than you have sentenced us to a Forever War. If you help the peaceful Muslims define their religion than we might have (more) peaceful times in the future. Sounds like that guy (and many here) is in the 1st group. You are blaming the victim. Who is initiating violence on the rest of the world in the name of their "religion"? |
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Moderate muslims...
And in other news Vegan cats... Their whole faith is geared towards conquest over and conversion or extermination of anyone who is not a muslim. Their holy book expressly approves of lying and any other subterfuge needed to achieve their aims. How can anyone trust them? |
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I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise.
Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? |
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...the moderate Muslims who are the vast majority are good people and need to do something about the criminal minority.
When the "vast majority" step up top reclaim their religion, let us know. "When the Good Islamics start beating the living crap out of the Bad Islamics, only then will I believe that Islam can be a religion worth tolerating." These posts just about say it all. |
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When the Good Islamics start beating the living crap out of the Bad Islamics, only then will I believe that Islam can be a religion worth tolerating. ^QFT Until the good guys purge the bad guys out, islam will not be respected in the west/modern society. |
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Quoted: I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Because some of your mythology is the same. This is because it all has a common origin. Magical creation, garden of eden, Noah, Abraham, etc. Obviously the particulars of this god vary between the religions, but its the same deity. Sort of like how the Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses believe in the same Jesus as everyone else...even if the details are not agreed upon between the Christian sects. Obviously, Islam and Christianity differ much more than Christians sects, but the idea is still valid. |
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Who gives a shit what the religion was in 800AD and if it was designed as being peaceful or not. We can't kill all of them and they can't kill all of us. So.... If you let the terrorists define Islam than you have sentenced us to a Forever War. If you help the peaceful Muslims define their religion than we might have (more) peaceful times in the future. Sounds like that guy (and many here) is in the 1st group. I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here[points to head ]and here[points to heart] and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not. |
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I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? No debate needed. Allah IS NOT Jaweh. Allah is to God, as Lorcin is to Colt. 
Allah is to God, as Crown Cola is to Coca Cola. Oh, I could go on...
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When the Good Islamics start beating the living crap out of the Bad Islamics, only then will I believe that Islam can be a religion worth tolerating. ^QFT Until the good guys purge the bad guys out, islam will not be respected in the west/modern society. Except by zero 
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Quoted: False analogy. You are talking about branding and functionality, not the key parts that identify the type of gun it is.Quoted: I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? No debate needed. Allah IS NOT Jaweh. Allah is to God, as Lorcin is to Colt. Allah is to God, as Crown Cola is to Coca Cola. Oh, I could go on... If you have a full auto Russian AK and a semi-WSAR...they are clearly not the same rifle...but they are indeed similar enough to be both called "AK's". They both are based off the same design. With deities the important characteristics is not the details and personal beliefs (because, these will vary among the various groups and with time), but the origins of the mythology. Islam, Christianity and Judaism were created all in the same region, by the same people, telling the same stories. Obviously they are all the same god unless...unless of course we had 3 Gardens of Eden, 3 Noah's, 3 Abraham's etc.  |
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I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Because some of your mythology is the same. This is because it all has a common origin. Magical creation, garden of eden, Noah, Abraham, etc. Obviously the particulars of this god vary between the religions, but its the same deity. Sort of like how the Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses believe in the same Jesus as everyone else...even if the details are not agreed upon between the Christian sects. Obviously, Islam and Christianity differ much more than Christians sects, but the idea is still valid. How can they be the same Diety when one is suppose to not have a son, and one does? |
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False analogy. You are talking about branding and functionality, not the key parts that identify the type of gun it is.
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I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? No debate needed. Allah IS NOT Jaweh. Allah is to God, as Lorcin is to Colt.
Allah is to God, as Crown Cola is to Coca Cola. Oh, I could go on...
If you have a full auto Russian AK and a semi-WSAR...they are clearly not the same rifle...but they are indeed similar enough to be both called "AK's". They both are based off the same design. With deities the important characteristics is not the details and personal beliefs (because, these will vary among the various groups and with time), but the origins of the mythology. Islam, Christianity and Judaism were created all in the same region, by the same people, telling the same stories. Obviously they are all the same god unless...unless of course we had 3 Gardens of Eden, 3 Noah's, 3 Abraham's etc.
Ok, let me rephrase that!!!! Allah is to God, as a plasma rifle (in the 40 watt range) is to an AR-15 One is real, the other is not. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Because some of your mythology is the same. This is because it all has a common origin. Magical creation, garden of eden, Noah, Abraham, etc. Obviously the particulars of this god vary between the religions, but its the same deity. Sort of like how the Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses believe in the same Jesus as everyone else...even if the details are not agreed upon between the Christian sects. Obviously, Islam and Christianity differ much more than Christians sects, but the idea is still valid. How can they be the same Diety when one is suppose to not have a son, and one does? Because they share a common origin, and attribute many of the same actions to said god as you do. It is not to say that they are always 100% the same, or that this god is viewed the same by them as you. Sort of like how saiga 12 is in the same family of firearms as a Dragonov. They have the same operating principals, because they were based off the same design, even if their current applications and details are very different. |
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I'll worry about the "peaceful" muslims when I start seeing them condemn islamic terrorists en masse, and doing something to distance themselves and isolate them, instead of remaining silent on the issue, and often even justifying the actions of the terrorists by drawing comparisons to what America or Israel has done. At best all they ever say is "that doesn't represent islam." But since they're talking about believers, they never seem to say anything really negative about them; and they never seem to take the side of a non-believer over a believer, no matter WHAT the believer has done. At least in my experience. So fuck them. I put them all in the same boat until the "vast majority" jumps out of that boat of their own free will. |
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Quoted: Wrong.Quoted: Quoted: False analogy. You are talking about branding and functionality, not the key parts that identify the type of gun it is.Quoted: I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? No debate needed. Allah IS NOT Jaweh. Allah is to God, as Lorcin is to Colt. Allah is to God, as Crown Cola is to Coca Cola. Oh, I could go on... If you have a full auto Russian AK and a semi-WSAR...they are clearly not the same rifle...but they are indeed similar enough to be both called "AK's". They both are based off the same design. With deities the important characteristics is not the details and personal beliefs (because, these will vary among the various groups and with time), but the origins of the mythology. Islam, Christianity and Judaism were created all in the same region, by the same people, telling the same stories. Obviously they are all the same god unless...unless of course we had 3 Gardens of Eden, 3 Noah's, 3 Abraham's etc. Ok, let me rephrase that!!!! Allah is to God, as a plasma rifle (in the 40 watt range) is to an AR-15 One is real, the other is not. I've seen an ar15, infact, its in my bedroom. I've not seen an plasma rifle, Allah or God. So, actually we only know 1 of those 4 things is real. |
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False analogy. You are talking about branding and functionality, not the key parts that identify the type of gun it is.
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I never understood why they think our Gods (christian/islam) are the same? The quran purely states allah has no son, and its blasphemis to say otherwise. Not trying to start a debate, just I always seem to see muslims pointing that out. Then they call Christians infidels? No debate needed. Allah IS NOT Jaweh. Allah is to God, as Lorcin is to Colt.
Allah is to God, as Crown Cola is to Coca Cola. Oh, I could go on...
If you have a full auto Russian AK and a semi-WSAR...they are clearly not the same rifle...but they are indeed similar enough to be both called "AK's". They both are based off the same design. With deities the important characteristics is not the details and personal beliefs (because, these will vary among the various groups and with time), but the origins of the mythology. Islam, Christianity and Judaism were created all in the same region, by the same people, telling the same stories. Obviously they are all the same god unless...unless of course we had 3 Gardens of Eden, 3 Noah's, 3 Abraham's etc.
Ok, let me rephrase that!!!! Allah is to God, as a plasma rifle (in the 40 watt range) is to an AR-15 One is real, the other is not. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Wrong. I've seen an ar15, infact, its in my bedroom. I've not seen an plasma rifle, Allah or God. So, actually we only know 1 of those things is real. I haven't seen any of those; I contend that your AR is as real as Allah or God.  And rightfully so, I could just be lying, claiming to own an ar15. As far as your concerned my ar-15 may not exist. But have you ever seen any ar15 ever? If not, you need to get out more. Furthermore I can prove my assertions that ar15's exist by providing documented, and even physical evidence. Not so with plasma rifles, or gods. With them all we have are stories, hopes (I hope they make one, in the 40 watt range...sooon ) and beliefs. |