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eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. Therein lies the problem, how do you tell which is which? |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. Therein lies the problem, how do you tell which is which? I know it's not a perfect world, so no need to tell anything apart. When cops mirandize someone, they tell you exactly what to do. Here it is a bit more simply. When accused of a crime, remember these 5 words "keep your fucking mouth shut" 
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. Therein lies the problem, how do you tell which is which? I know it's not a perfect world, so no need to tell anything apart. When cops mirandize someone, they tell you exactly what to do. Here it is a bit more simply. When accused of a crime, remember these 5 words "keep your fucking mouth shut" Sound advice. |
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As a former police officer. 95% of the people i locked up would not be in jail if they shut their mouths. You can warn someone over and over and they would still talk themselves into a confession. Grandfather was in LE for 39 years. He once told me roughtly the same thing. |
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Sometimes you have to lead people to the "right" answers 
Or so I've been told........ Many of them like to threaten you with things they can't make good on. It's really pisses them off when you don't fall of it. |
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Quoted: As a former police officer. 95% of the people i locked up would not be in jail if they shut their mouths. You can warn someone over and over and they would still talk themselves into a confession. This. Additionally, how many of us lie when we tell the salesman that we can "get it cheaper elsewhere", or to the officer when we say "why, no, I had no idea I was going that fast", to our boss when we're suffering from work stress but say we have the flu, or to any other number of people? |
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Quoted: Best free legal advice I ever give:Quoted: As a former police officer. 95% of the people i locked up would not be in jail if they shut their mouths. You can warn someone over and over and they would still talk themselves into a confession. Grandfather was in LE for 39 years. He once told me roughtly the same thing. NEVER talk to the police. No exceptions. |
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It's the oldest trick in the book... Tell the guy you have evidence that he did it when you don't... And it works to get the bad guys to confess... So I don't see a problem with it.... Remember,,,you have THE RIGHT to remain silent. Because officer friendly WILL use EVERYTHING that you say against you... |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. And that is how mentally feeble people have ended up in jail. And in some areas, notably, cough cough, The South, they often go to prison because it's never caught in the courts (or the prosecutor lies, which seems to happen on occasion as well). |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. Therein lies the problem, how do you tell which is which? I know it's not a perfect world, so no need to tell anything apart. When cops mirandize someone, they tell you exactly what to do. Here it is a bit more simply. When accused of a crime, remember these 5 words "keep your fucking mouth shut" I'm a cop and sometimes can't believe that people don't STFU after being read their rights
I appreciate it and all, but damn... |
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As a former police officer. 95% of the people i locked up would not be in jail if they shut their mouths. You can warn someone over and over and they would still talk themselves into a confession. Grandfather was in LE for 39 years. He once told me roughtly the same thing. Watch that show "Another 48 Hours" and see how many times the guy that everyone knows is guilty gets away just because he doesn't confess. Hell, even with his best friend saying he did it he still gets away. |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. The problem is when someone confesses to "get a deal" the cops hint he can get when they are claiming they have evidence. I.E. The usual we know you did it, your buddy is in the other room the first one to talk gets the deal.... A smart innocent man would continue to deny it, but I can see where a guy who isn't a complete retard might figure... Well confess, & plead guilty and get 5 yrs for a crime I didn't do, or fight it and likely lose and get 20. |
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1st! eta, people lie like hell all the time too. In a perfect world, I have a problem with it. In our world, if a cop claims they have evidence proving something and it causes a guilty person to confess, no issue. If someone confesses to a crime they didn't commit because a cop says they have proof, then that's darwin at work and I have no sympathy. Therein lies the problem, how do you tell which is which? I know it's not a perfect world, so no need to tell anything apart. When cops mirandize someone, they tell you exactly what to do. Here it is a bit more simply. When accused of a crime, remember these 5 words "keep your fucking mouth shut" My dad knows someone in the FBI that gave him pretty much the same advice. If the cops come to question you about something NEVER talk unless they absolutely, 100% prove to you that you are not a suspect but a witness. Even then make sure you have a lawyer present to go over everything with before the questioning, and then present during the questioning. Until then the only words out of your mouth should be "I would like to call my lawyer." |
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Another tool in the toolbox. What's wrong with that? |
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This is new??? It's the oldest trick in the book... Tell the guy you have evidence that he did it when you don't... And it works to get the bad guys to confess... So I don't see a problem with it.... Remember,,,you have THE RIGHT to remain silent. Because officer friendly WILL use EVERYTHING that you say against you... Or if there are two suspects or more, separate them and tell them both that the other confessed and ratted them out. I have no problem with the method and I am usually a bit critical of LEO's. |
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YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT...use it.
I not anti police, have badge wearing family. And think that the police should be supported, but,if you dont give them rope they cant hang you. They really dont know much more than what you tell em. And just get home that day. |
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So if they lie to you its acceptable and if you lie to them its obstruction of justice? Yep. Begin whining.............................................................................................................................................................................................NOW! |
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Quoted: Don't talk without a lawyer present. The end That is a not correct, because even once I am present my client still will never talk unless we have a signed agreement providing my client with full immunity What my client admits too becomes admissible in court against him. Nothing that he says that is exculpatory can be used to benefit him because it is hearsay. If your lawyer agrees to let you talk to the police as long as he is present I would seriously consider firing said lawyer and hiring someone who didn't figure out how to defend a case from watching Ally McBeal. |