Posted: 10/31/2009 4:11:16 PM EDT
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree.
What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. |
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. 
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Depends on the VIP level.
Military and LEO experience will get you in the door for lower level stuff. Specific training, experience and contacts the next tier. A career in it will need a specific agencies support. Private side of it, like executives and hollywood types I have no experience with. |
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Military and LEO experience will get you in the door for lower level stuff. are you saying that is the only way to get into the first door? Or just saying that it really isnt as important when you look at higher priority clients. And although I do not play college football, I am bigger than half of the guys on D2 schools team, size isnt really an issue. |
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Military and LEO experience will get you in the door for lower level stuff. are you saying that is the only way to get into the first door? Or just saying that it really isnt as important when you look at higher priority clients. I only have experience with the government side of dignitary protection, that is how I got my foot in the door, and everyone else I know has the same base experience. |
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. Well, there WAS that one Blackwater guy in Iraq that was BOTH a Navy SEAL AND a pro football player (not NFL though). No BS, there was a "In memory of" or similar thread here. Guy was from Florida... |
| A degree in criminal justice isn't going to do anything for you except get you a job as a police officer (maybe). I know one guy that started out that way and a couple others went into it after the military. No one is going to hire you to protect them if you don't have some sort of "real world" experiance. Do your best to get hired as a police officer somewhere then send yourself to some schools to pad your resume and see what that does for you. |
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I know someone that is a Body Guard for a really big name musician.
Works maybe 4-6 weeks per year for him. Other than that he has his normal job. Pay is good but away from family the whole time. Perks seem ok. Gotta figure the guys that this musician hires are all highly trained SWAT guys for big agencies. Think LAPD, NYPD etc....When he gets on the plane to go back to Eurpoe, they stay here and guys like SAS take over from what I have heard... Now someone like britney spears has a big guy with her but he aint trained to do shit.... |
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. Well, there WAS that one Blackwater guy in Iraq that was BOTH a Navy SEAL AND a pro football player (not NFL though). No BS, there was a "In memory of" or similar thread here. Guy was from Florida... Did he have the most awesome beard you have ever seen? I thought he was fairly clean shaven, but I forget. He did have some impressive ink. The deal was, IIRC, he had been in the Navy, got out and was trying to get into LE work, and played foot ball for a regional pro team, and someone suggested a tour or two in Iraq doing PSD work would help him get a cop job... |
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. Well, there WAS that one Blackwater guy in Iraq that was BOTH a Navy SEAL AND a pro football player (not NFL though). No BS, there was a "In memory of" or similar thread here. Guy was from Florida... Did he have the most awesome beard you have ever seen? I thought he was fairly clean shaven, but I forget. He did have some impressive ink. The deal was, IIRC, he had been in the Navy, got out and was trying to get into LE work, and played foot ball for a regional pro team, and someone suggested a tour or two in Iraq doing PSD work would help him get a cop job... Isn't he the one pictured with a XM8 in Iraq? I don't know... he was killed several years ago... I'm sure someone here remembers his name. Chris something... |
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Quoted: I know someone that is a Body Guard for a really big name musician. Works maybe 4-6 weeks per year for him. Other than that he has his normal job. Pay is good but away from family the whole time. Perks seem ok. Gotta figure the guys that this musician hires are all highly trained SWAT guys for big agencies. Think LAPD, NYPD etc....When he gets on the plane to go back to Eurpoe, they stay here and guys like SAS take over from what I have heard... Now someone like britney spears has a big guy with her but he aint trained to do shit.... I did some work for a fortune 100 company. All the big names have their own in house security people. Usually ex- SS, FBI types. These guys then screen and hire the guys on the ground, doing the driving and day to day stuff. General security was provided by off duty cops in plain clothes. Private security for the big bosses was provided by off duty SWAT and the like. These guys were armed to the teeth and knew what they were doing. This was at a couple of different venues, one in L.A. and one in Colorado. I had a "All Access" badge but even still, they made it tough. |
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My good buddy and former Recon Marine did it with Gavin DeBecker and he said he was miserable the whole time. I helped babysit The Cure for one night, that was all it took for me to cross that off the future career list  
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. Well, there WAS that one Blackwater guy in Iraq that was BOTH a Navy SEAL AND a pro football player (not NFL though). No BS, there was a "In memory of" or similar thread here. Guy was from Florida... Did he have the most awesome beard you have ever seen? I thought he was fairly clean shaven, but I forget. He did have some impressive ink. The deal was, IIRC, he had been in the Navy, got out and was trying to get into LE work, and played foot ball for a regional pro team, and someone suggested a tour or two in Iraq doing PSD work would help him get a cop job... Isn't he the one pictured with a XM8 in Iraq? I don't know... he was killed several years ago... I'm sure someone here remembers his name. Chris something... IIRC,wasn't he the guy in the pictire off the Vltor page http://www.vltor.com/iraq.htm holding the 2 AR's crouched down |
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My good buddy and former Recon Marine did it with Gavin DeBecker and he said he was miserable the whole time. I helped babysit The Cure for one night, that was all it took for me to cross that off the future career list
Did they spend the whole night smoking clove cigarettes and crying? They were quite like 5 year olds I have known 
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I dont have any experience in the private sector, but I frequently do protective operartions for the gov as a collateral duty through my agency. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would imagine it would be hard to sell yourself to a potential client without having been an ex-something (i.e. agent, cop/swat, psd, .mil force protection, etc). Whatever agency you are with will likely spend tens of thousands of dollars training you in this area, and then there is no substitute for gradually building the experience depending on your role n the operation and formation. If you are interested in that type of work, and are about to graduate, then apply for the secret service, as they are currently hiring. Additionally, just because you are an army ranger, gren beret, etc does not necessarily qualifiy you for domestic security work...although it will definitly give you a leg up on the shooting, etc. Alot of the training is planning oriented, and can be extremely tedious. Like any LEO work, the fun stuff only lasts a few minutes, and everything else is paperwork...
On a related note, doing that type of work is not as glamorous as you may think, especially in permissive environments mostly encountered in the USA. On a smaller detail, you have no control over your own life. You are up before the principal, and you are asleep long after he/she is. The limited time you have to yourself is spent running routes, washing/prepping vehicles, preparing clothing/equipment, liasing with hotel/site staff, and double checking everything related to the detail. Not trying to be a downer, but you may want to diversify your options a bit...maybe do it part time in addition to your day job (i.e. off duty employment as a cop or something). |
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Every single bodyguard out there is a college football player that didn't go pro. Check lightfigher. GD is only going to give you shit like I just did. Well, there WAS that one Blackwater guy in Iraq that was BOTH a Navy SEAL AND a pro football player (not NFL though). No BS, there was a "In memory of" or similar thread here. Guy was from Florida... Did he have the most awesome beard you have ever seen? I thought he was fairly clean shaven, but I forget. He did have some impressive ink. The deal was, IIRC, he had been in the Navy, got out and was trying to get into LE work, and played foot ball for a regional pro team, and someone suggested a tour or two in Iraq doing PSD work would help him get a cop job... Isn't he the one pictured with a XM8 in Iraq? I don't know... he was killed several years ago... I'm sure someone here remembers his name. Chris something... IIRC,wasn't he the guy in the pictire off the Vltor page http://www.vltor.com/iraq.htm holding the 2 AR's crouched down That's the guy. Sorry, thought he was BW. |
| I work for a private security company and we offer bodyguard services. I got my level 4 training and license from Texas DPS. I know my company only hires ex-military which helps sell our services. Our VIP clients are mainly just wealthy people with too much cash and want that extra piece of mind. I get paid decent $50K per year. Of course I'm not an ex special forces/seal/swat/football player or whatever. Those guys can get paid twice what i make if you get a client that is willing to pay, such as a celebratory or something. But yeah this is got to be the easiest and most boring job I've ever had. I work the night shift, so i mainly just hang out at a clients house at night while they sleep and surf Arfcom and watch movies, and yes I'm at work right now, haha. I'm like an expensive all night babysitter with a pistol on my hip. Job security isn't the greatest in this field i have to say, law enforcement and military are careers, this is just a job if you know what i mean. |
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I work for a private security company and we offer bodyguard services. I got my level 4 training and license from Texas DPS. I know my company only hires ex-military which helps sell our services. Our VIP clients are mainly just wealthy people with too much cash and want that extra piece of mind. I get paid decent $50K per year. Of course I'm not an ex special forces/seal/swat/football player or whatever. Those guys can get paid twice what i make if you get a client that is willing to pay, such as a celebratory or something. But yeah this is got to be the easiest and most boring job I've ever had. I work the night shift, so i mainly just hang out at a clients house at night while they sleep and surf Arfcom and watch movies, and yes I'm at work right now, haha. I'm like an expensive all night babysitter with a pistol on my hip. Job security isn't the greatest in this field i have to say, law enforcement and military are careers, this is just a job if you know what i mean. Dicking off on post eh? 
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You can always start a Craigs List ad but be careful:
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I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field?I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. Well Alright OP. I think you just might be starting off on the right track. You seem pretty sure that you have the confidence, the right mindset, personality for the work and say you have held a great desire to have this type of job. I feel thats a good start. So I think I just might be able to give you even more information that could point you even further in the right direction. OP Start By Reading This 
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After The Completion Of The Training Above And Armed With Your Degree in Criminal Justice, I Really Feel That You Will Have Greatly Increased Your Marketable VIP Personal Protection Skills And No Doubt Your Chances To Be Successful In This Career Path ..........Remember The Training You Watched And Use The Scene Selection Feature On All The DVD's To Make Refering Back To Your Training Faster And Easier. You know, I'm just so glad I could just help out and get this young college student started off down the right path and headed in the right direction. It just warms my heart, because isn't Helping others what life is all about?
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I dont have any experience in the private sector, but I frequently do protective operartions for the gov as a collateral duty through my agency. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I would imagine it would be hard to sell yourself to a potential client without having been an ex-something (i.e. agent, cop/swat, psd, .mil force protection, etc). Whatever agency you are with will likely spend tens of thousands of dollars training you in this area, and then there is no substitute for gradually building the experience depending on your role n the operation and formation. If you are interested in that type of work, and are about to graduate, then apply for the secret service, as they are currently hiring. Additionally, just because you are an army ranger, gren beret, etc does not necessarily qualifiy you for domestic security work...although it will definitly give you a leg up on the shooting, etc. Alot of the training is planning oriented, and can be extremely tedious. Like any LEO work, the fun stuff only lasts a few minutes, and everything else is paperwork... On a related note, doing that type of work is not as glamorous as you may think, especially in permissive environments mostly encountered in the USA. On a smaller detail, you have no control over your own life. You are up before the principal, and you are asleep long after he/she is. The limited time you have to yourself is spent running routes, washing/prepping vehicles, preparing clothing/equipment, liasing with hotel/site staff, and double checking everything related to the detail. Not trying to be a downer, but you may want to diversify your options a bit...maybe do it part time in addition to your day job (i.e. off duty employment as a cop or something). Thank you for the objective response. How refreshing. The reason that I hesitate to join the military with this type of goal in mind is because I doubt that, by the time I get out, I would still desire this type of lifestyle, and I will probably want a job that has nothing to do with this type of work. And yes, I do think I have the right mindset/personality for this type of work. Does that make me prepared? No. Im not looking for glamour by any means, Im looking for a good, fulfilling job that eventually pays well. I couldnt possibly care less if I ever pull a gun in a career that is oriented towards protecting someones life because that is not the purpose. |
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The closest I ever came to VIP protection was being on a bus with a police escort.
That said, it seems like the current trend in world events will be flooding the market with experienced bodyguards shortly, and it seems like a guy would be swimming against the current to try to work in that field without extensive iraq/afghanistan experience. |
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Quoted: I was just curious if anyone here had done any VIP protection/body guarding work. I am coming to the point in college where I need to choose a career path, and I have been considering criminal justice and the possibilities tied to that degree. What is the market like for bodyguards? Is military experience a must, or is someone with a bachelors in criminal justice, concealed carry, extensive defensive firearms training, specialized driving training considered and various other skills going to be able to start into that type of field? I cant imagine every single bodyguard out there is an ex navy seal, so maybe I have a chance. I do think I have the mindset and personality for it, and have always desired this type of job. From having done executive protection - i can only offer some advise Education - don't get a bachelors in CJ - get a degree in business or Computers/IT - any agency that you go with will send you to a school to teach youhow they want you to investigate a case or protect a person. Experience - .mil experience is a definite plus, however here is the breakdown - Army CID protects the top DOD officials, while OSI, NCIS have protective details they are not as big as the Army's. There are several smaller PSD details for some battlefield commanders/post commanders - these are usually MP's/Security Forces with maybe a CID / OSI /NCIS agent as the detail leader - the vast majority of these details are units activated for that specific purpose. - Fed .gov agencies all have some manner of protective detail for their top personnel - these guys/gals are 90% of the time 1811 series, criminal investigators pulled from that agencies case work to do protection - this is done because as federal agents they have the ability and jurisdictional authority to operate/cary weapons/make an arrest if necessary all over CONUS and US OCONUS locations. the other 10% are usually 0080's (federal police of an agency) Physical ability - a couple of things to remember - 300lbs ex linebackers are for Hollywood, not executive protection details - why? because the guys that protect top people carry guns and badges and are also law enforcement, that authority comes from the .gov and is for the .gov not for civilians/celebrities. ever wonder why you dont see any hollywood protection with guns (its because they are not law enforcement) - (steven segal is an exception - when he works for the dahli lama) that being said if your principal weighs 250lbs you need to be able to pick up that weight and move be able to move it at speed. that is while wearing a bulletproof vest, and 20 - 40lbs of radio, handcuffs, ammo, etc. - if your principal is a marathon runner - you need to get to training. this is a more common thing for the .mil guys - and it sucks when you not only have to run a marathon but do it with a radio, weapon, and ammo - especially if the race is a big one because your chase car could be a block away. - if you have problems with your knees - look for another job, there is a lot of standing - a lot - if you have lower back issues or neck issues - look for another job - there is a tremendous amount of getting in and out of cars, turning around, looking, oh and standing. good luck with college and your decision - if you have some specific questions please send me an IM |
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Quoted:... if your principal weighs 250lbs you need to be able to pick up that weight and move be able to move it at speed. that is while wearing a bulletproof vest, and 20 - 40lbs of radio, handcuffs, ammo, etc.
- if your principal is a marathon runner - you need to get to training. this is a more common thing for the .mil guys - and it sucks when you not only have to run a marathon but do it with a radio, weapon, and ammo - especially if the race is a big one because your chase car could be a block away. - if you have problems with your knees - look for another job, there is a lot of standing - a lot - if you have lower back issues or neck issues - look for another job - there is a tremendous amount of getting in and out of cars, turning around, looking, oh and standing. ... It might also be good idea to consider that your ankles, knees, back, and neck might not want to do that stuff when you're in your 30s or 40s. |
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Like I said, no huge problems with my body, I have some lower back problems but with infrequent adjustments and stretching I can do anything.
I am almost six feet tall and I weigh almost 190 pounds (I lift weights four days a week and run frequently, occasionally in excess of 5 miles). Im not anything special but Im far from to small. I appreciate the input. I can see clearly why a CJ degree would be pretty much worthless. I am pretty lost as to what I want to do career wise so I figured I would ask anyways. I have always had good awareness and Im a relatively sensitive person. I would give my life in a a split second if it was my job. I will keep this idea on a backburner. I have two friends who are SF. Maybe I will get a business degree and start a business and just use them to do the work. Who knows. Thanks for the advice. Any other good career ideas are appreciated. |
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Networking is key. You need to foster contacts in that profession, especially if you aren't going to get mil-type experience. You might consider adding a more unique skillset to your CV, something like trauma med or high-grade communications/computer skills. Something to make you a valuable team member since you're not really going to be able to compete against guys with combat experience for the "muscle/shooter" aspect. |