Posted: 10/20/2009 8:54:10 AM EDT
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OK I am buying the Mrs a new handgun for Christmas although she doesn't know it. At risk of great peril to our marriage she has decided she really likes the Glock 17 in 9mm. Although I am a 1911 guy I can see the merits of the Glock and I'd rather she have something she likes and picked out as she will be more apt to practice with it and carry it (she has a CCW).
My question is regarding caliber. She fired one in 9mm and liked it alot. I however also have a .40 S&W and therefore have lots of 40 ammo around but currently own no 9mm guns or ammo. Should I get her the 9mm and now need to start stockpiling additional ammo or should, or should I get her the 40? How much recoil difference is there between the two? To me the 44 mag is not too much recoil but I am sure the difference will be more noticeable to her. All replies are appreciated even from the Glock haters, as I said I'm a SA 1911 guy so no offense will be taken. 
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With mediocre and relatively shooters, I've seen a marked difference in shooting capability, with no difference other switching from the 9mm to the .40. Recoil is increased enough that I've even seen some shooters whom I would consider to be "very good" who show improvement in every area when switching to the slightly smaller hole. I don't think it's worth it. I'd let her stick with the nine. Besides, if she ever needed to use her weapon, I seriously doubt the guy on the other end would be able to say, "If she'd'a had a foty, I'd be dead, but she shot me wid dat piddly-ass nine, so I'm aight." Edit: I shoot .44 Magnums too, and enjoy it...a lot. I like the recoil. With that said, I'm currently faced with choosing either a G17 or G34. I made the choice for 9mm instead of .40 as well, based on the capabilities of the round and the shooter driving the gun. |
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OK I am buying the Mrs a new handgun for Christmas although she doesn't know it. At risk of great peril to our marriage she has decided she really likes the Glock 17 in 9mm. Although I am a 1911 guy I can see the merits of the Glock and I'd rather she have something she likes and picked out as she will be more apt to practice with it and carry it (she has a CCW). My question is regarding caliber. She fired one in 9mm and liked it alot. I however also have a .40 S&W and therefore have lots of 40 ammo around but currently own no 9mm guns or ammo. Should I get her the 9mm and now need to start stockpiling additional ammo or should, or should I get her the 40? How much recoil difference is there between the two? To me the 44 mag is not too much recoil but I am sure the difference will be more noticeable to her. All replies are appreciated even from the Glock haters, as I said I'm a SA 1911 guy so no offense will be taken. I've never shot 9 mm, but I can't imagine that .40 S&W is much worse. I didn't sense a whole lot of difference in felt recoil between the G22 in .40, and the G21SF in .45 ACP, if that helps. My girlfriend can handle the G22 well enough. I have no experience with any compacts or subcompacts, though. |
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My question is regarding caliber. She fired one in 9mm and liked it alot.
There's your answer. Is it easier to stockpile 9mm ammo or listen to, "WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN WHEN I ASKED FOR THE NINE?" the rest of your life? Unless you can get her to shoot/like a .40S&W, take the path of least resistance. Just my .02 |
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Does CZ make a 75 style .40?
I know you asked about the GLOCK, and I apologize if I derailed your thread, but I have never met anyone who thought that the CZ75 line of pistols was uncomfortable. Hi Power like ergos in a modern DA auto pistol. But to answer your question, every novice shooter I have ever let use a 9x19 and then a .40 has noted that the .40 recoils significantly harder. I say go 9x19. |
| I have the Glock 17 and the 22 and my wife has fired both, hands down she prefers the 17 over the the 22 (.40). Her main complaint is that the 22 has a lot of muzzle flip and it is hard for her to control especially for a rapid second shot. She carries the Glock 19 and shoots it very well but prefers the 17 as to why she can never really say. |
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Quoted: I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. this i have done this and it is great, it allowed my girlfriend to try different size rounds in the same size frame (which fit her hands) she settled on the 9mm as some of the .40 +p defensive rounds were a little to much recoil |
| My son is not very big for his age. He's 14 and around 5"2". Late puberty, I hope. Anyway, he can handle the .40 but he says the 9mm is more comfortable and he can shoot more at the range without getting tired. Based on that, I'd say get her the G19 or a G26 if the 19 is too big. The more she can practice without fatigue the better. |
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Does CZ make a 75 style .40? I know you asked about the GLOCK, and I apologize if I derailed your thread, but I have never met anyone who thought that the CZ75 line of pistols was uncomfortable. Hi Power like ergos in a modern DA auto pistol. But to answer your question, every novice shooter I have ever let use a 9x19 and then a .40 has noted that the .40 recoils significantly harder. I say go 9x19. I actually like CZ's too but trust me we have been to several gun shows and she has handled hundreds of pistols. She has her minf set on the Glock. I guess I'll go ahead and get her the 9. Thanks fellas! Gonna head up to the store friday morning. They are on sale for 499.
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I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. this i have done this and it is great, it allowed my girlfriend to try different size rounds in the same size frame (which fit her hands) she settled on the 9mm as some of the .40 +p defensive rounds were a little to much recoil 
The grip of the 19 is exactly the same size as the grip of the 17 - it's just not quite as long. If the grip of the 17 is too big, the 19 will be too big as well. And what is the purpose of getting a 23 and buying a 9mm barrel? Besides the extra $100 cost and then having the wrong size breech face and extractor for 9mm. He already has .40 pistols he likes, this gun is for her. Don't handicap her gun just to have a gun you can shoot with your favorite (and more expensive) caliber. |
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I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. this i have done this and it is great, it allowed my girlfriend to try different size rounds in the same size frame (which fit her hands) she settled on the 9mm as some of the .40 +p defensive rounds were a little to much recoil Which 40 defensive rounds are +p? |
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I've shot all model glocks in 9 and .40. The .40 does have noticably more recoil and muzzle flip. Wife noticed it too.
Glock armorer I spoke with mentioned that they have far more warranty issues with the .40 models than the 9's (logically) My wife has a 26 and 34 currently. She had a 19 and had trouble mantaining a stable platform for which to work the action (limp wristing) but doesn't have this problem with either the 26 or 34. It may have just been that particular 19 but I've heard this from others. She LOVES the 26 and shoots it very well. In my opinion the 26/27 shoot better than the 19/23 due to the different recoil spring ass'ys I've shot all four in IPSC matches and consistantly shot better with the smaller ones than the mid size, fwiw, ymmv. Unless she wants it for CCW specifically, the 17 would be very hard to beat. The only one I would put at equal in that category is the XD. (I personally prefer 1911s but they are all capable tools) |
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If your're not dead set on buying new, consider getting a trade in Glock 22 and replacing the barrel with a Lone Wolf 9mm barrel and putting in a 9mm extractor. There are a lot of police trade in Glock 22s around these days and the prices are good. This set up will allow her to swap back to shoot 40 S&W if she chooses.
If you're going to buy new, go ahead and get the G17. She'll be happy and you by extension will be happy. |
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When selling firearms in early 90s I recommended a Glock 23 to a female customer.
She purchased, hated it (based on very snappy recoil) and exchanged for a G19. She was much happier. Since that incident, unless the female shooter is very dedicated / motivated, I do not recommend 40 for female shooters. YMMV. |
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Quoted: I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. The G23 and G17 have the EXACT same grip size, the only difference is length. OP - if she likes the G-17 then get her what SHE likes. The 9mm Glocks are the most reliable and durable of the Glock line. Rember all those Kboom jokes? They were all based on the .40 S&W & .45 ACP models, stick with the 9mm if you're going to buy a Glock. |
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I've seen this first hand –– two identical Glocks - only difference is 9mm vs 40. The recoil impulse of the 40 is different, and in my experience, not as easily controllable as the 9mm.
two shooters, two guns. The 9mm shot groups and the 40 shot patterns. I was able to shoot it better than him, but it was still harder for us both to control. If she's shot the G17, and she likes the G17, get her the G17. Trying to tweak and improve on her preference without her input is a recipe for, well, nothing good. |
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Stay away from .40 Glocks (these are the only ones that ever exploded). I recommend staying away from .40 altogether, it was developed as an answer to a problem that never existed. I won't belittle it because you appear to like it, to each his own. That said I have CC'ed a Glock 17 for the past 25 years without a problem. If she has shot the 17 and likes it get her the 17, simple as that. ETA: Last weekend I picked up 1K of WW 9mm 115gr. FMJ (range ammo) from wally world for $100 ($19.95/200). Ya just can't do that with .40.  |
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I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. ???? Or just get a G19, since it is exactly the same size as the G23, and is in 9mm to start with..............................of course, the G19's grip is the same size as the G17 while we're at it....just a little shorter. |
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G19 She does want to carry a 17 around on a regular basis. Meh, before I got all rebellious (and starting working in narc. where I could dress like a bum,) I toted a G22 in coat and tie at least 10 hours a day 5 days a week and kept it concealed and had no comfort issues. |
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I'd say there's a bit of misinformation in this thread.
1)"The Glock models 19 and 17 have the same grip size." This is inaccurate. The "hump" at the lower rear portion of the grip is higher on the 19 than the 17, making the circumference larger higher up on the grip of a 19 - it is not like a 17 that's simply had length cut away. What's more, on 3rd generation Glocks the location of the top finger groove is closer to the trigger guard on a 19 than it is a 17. 2)His wife will, for a fact, prefer the 19. This is entirely subjective - not only do I prefer the grip of the 17 due to its' "smaller" size, my wife has the same preference (she's actually the one that turned me on to the 17/22 Glocks). |
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Stay away from .40 Glocks (these are the only ones that ever exploded). I recommend staying away from .40 altogether, it was developed as an answer to a problem that never existed. I won't belittle it because you appear to like it, to each his own. That said I have CC'ed a Glock 17 for the past 25 years without a problem. If she has shot the 17 and likes it get her the 17, simple as that. ETA: Last weekend I picked up 1K of WW 9mm 115gr. FMJ (range ammo) from wally world for $100 ($19.95/200). Ya just can't do that with .40.
???????? Are you sure those aren't 100rd boxes? $5 for 50 rds was a good price when prices were good. Was it mismarked? |
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I believe a G17 will be too big (size wise) for a womans hand. Based upon what you told us I would suggest at G23 (.40 cal) with a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel.
The G23 and G17 have the EXACT same grip size, the only difference is length. OP - if she likes the G-17 then get her what SHE likes. The 9mm Glocks are the most reliable and durable of the Glock line. Rember all those Kboom jokes? They were all based on the .40 S&W & .45 ACP models, stick with the 9mm if you're going to buy a Glock. The palm swell of the 19 sits higher than that of the 17, putting a larger portion higher in the palm. |
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Thank you all for informative replies. I am going to take the Hives advice and go with the 19 in 9mm. She has already shot one and thats the one she likes the most. I just talked to the store and they have plenty in stock for 499 so I'm off to put one layaway when I get off tomorrow morning. Thanks again for your help.
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