[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FIRST Strike Probable? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/26/2009 2:17:50 PM EDT
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I'm wondering if the Russians are looking at an unanswered nuclear "first strike", (by them), as a realistic possibility? With Obama as president, I see the Mutual-Assured-Destruction scenario as highly unlikely. I don't see him responding to a "Missile Launch Warning". Could it really come to this? And would the Russians risk it for the ultimate win? Obama is a weak and minor-league player compared to guys like Putin. We are so screwed. |
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Psch... havent you heard? Hes the CHOSEN ONE... the MESSIAH. He will, with a simple wave of his hand, make those bad russian missles reverse course, and head out into space, and detonate harmlessly, providing a spectacular fireworks show for all of man-kind. People will kneel. Virgins across the world will be instantly impregnated with Obamas immaculately-concieved childern. Old ladys will weep. Angels will sing from the heavens, and everyone will join hands across the planet and sing songs of praise for the Messiah. Or, so I have been told. 
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Sub commanders do not need Presidential authorization to respond assuming the leadership was decapitated and any activity leading up to a first strike would show up on Sattelite. Movements of bombers and such.
Movement of SSBN's would be apparent to the US Navy. |
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WHY would the Russians attack in such a manner?
For what reason? You are showing you don't know much about the Russians, how they think or why they do things..... The records reveal we always considered the Soviets to be much more aggressive towards us then they actually were.... |
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Land-based ICBMs only give us about 30 min. notice. Much less when you factor in the time for confirmation. Obama would not respond. And there's not enough time for the military high-command to take over. Obama would offer to negotiate a conditional surrender. You're a fucking lunatic . 
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Quoted: WHY would the Russians attack in such a manner? For what reason? You are showing you don't know much about the Russians, how they think or why they do things..... The records reveal we always considered the Soviets to be much more aggressive towards us then they actually were.... I grew up in the Cold War and did countless duck-and-cover drills. I also remember Nikita Khrushchev shaking his fist and ranting about the destruction of America and Western Europe and then planting nuclear missiles in Cuba. I don't believe we spent trillions of defense dollars on a non-existent threat. Having said that, I posed a simple question for a vigorous debate; not to be personally insulted.  |
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Land-based ICBMs only give us about 30 min. notice. Much less when you factor in the time for confirmation. Obama would not respond. And there's not enough time for the military high-command to take over. Obama would offer to negotiate a conditional surrender. Not enough time for a General Officer to pull his sidearm but enought time to negotiate while unrecallable missiles in are in flight? Are you sober? Again, you still have that nasty problem of the SSBN commanders and their launch authority. |
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WHY would the Russians attack in such a manner? For what reason? You are showing you don't know much about the Russians, how they think or why they do things..... The records reveal we always considered the Soviets to be much more aggressive towards us then they actually were.... I grew up in the Cold War and did countless duck-and-cover drills. I also remember Nikita Khrushchev shaking his fist and ranting about the destruction of America and Western Europe and then planting nuclear missiles in Cuba. I don't believe we spent trillions of defense dollars on a non-existent threat. Having said that, I posed a simple question for a vigorous debate; not to be personally insulted.
You made my point......... You have to understand WHY they do such things...and what the real purpose is behind the rants. Despite everything Khrushchev said, they never nuked us and they never made a dash for the English Channel..... It's just like how most here don't have a clue on how to take China's occasional saber rattling towards Taiwan.... |
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It is said that in Rev. The bible doesn't speak of the United States. This is a very interesting question. In eschatology,Russia will be drawn out of the uttermost parts of the North,the 200 million man army from the East is China;the US would be" those living in the coastlands" who are destroyed by fire.You may be onto something. |
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I'm wondering if the Russians are looking at an unanswered nuclear "first strike", (by them), as a realistic possibility? With Obama as president, I see the Mutual-Assured-Destruction scenario as highly unlikely. I don't see him responding to a "Missile Launch Warning". Could it really come to this? And would the Russians risk it for the ultimate win? Obama is a weak and minor-league player compared to guys like Putin. We are so screwed. Luckiliy for us Putin is not the president. But yeah you're right, Obama would scream like a little girl if ever faced with such a serious situation.I'm sure the fact that knowing Joe Biden is next in line strikes terror into the hearts of the Soviet horde and keeps them in check however. ETA your avatar rocks. Brings back memories of watching the Creature From the Black Lagoon on Saturday Night Creature Features back in the 70's. 
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Quoted: I'm wondering if the Russians are looking at an unanswered nuclear "first strike", (by them), as a realistic possibility? With Obama as president, I see the Mutual-Assured-Destruction scenario as highly unlikely. I don't see him responding to a "Missile Launch Warning". Could it really come to this? And would the Russians risk it for the ultimate win? Obama is a weak and minor-league player compared to guys like Putin. We are so screwed. Not at all probable... The US and Russia are no longer competitors for anything except a small number of insignificant defense contracts... |
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I'm wondering if the Russians are looking at an unanswered nuclear "first strike", (by them), as a realistic possibility? With Obama as president, I see the Mutual-Assured-Destruction scenario as highly unlikely. I don't see him responding to a "Missile Launch Warning". Could it really come to this? And would the Russians risk it for the ultimate win? Obama is a weak and minor-league player compared to guys like Putin. We are so screwed. Not at all probable... The US and Russia are no longer competitors for anything except a small number of insignificant defense contracts... Russia and China-OIL,OIL,OIL! |
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Going nuclear is the way to kill yourself; the Russians would do anything short of that.
If we try to interfere with their military adventures, they may knock out our electrical grid with a non-nuclear orbital EMP. We would be helpless to respond if they launched an attack, and they know it and we know it. |
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Going nuclear is the way to kill yourself; the Russians would do anything short of that. If we try to interfear with their military adventure, that may knock out our electrical geid with a non-nuclear orbital EMP. We would be helpless to respond if they launched an attack, and they know it and we know it. Except for those damn pesky subs |
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Except for those damn pesky subs
Do they have permission to launch, if they can't get commands from the US? Remember, the Russians didn't go nuclear. If they do, then deterents are different. If they want to, are our subs capable of surviving and launching enough megatons to deter the Russians? Moscow still has an intact MDS. Personally, that would be my first strike target. Destroy Moscow's shield and they woud see the light of peacefull restraint. |
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Sub commanders do not need Presidential authorization to respond assuming the leadership was decapitated and any activity leading up to a first strike would show up on Sattelite. Movements of bombers and such. Movement of SSBN's would be apparent to the US Navy. Boof! Nuh, boof! Some of you guys think in a very straight line.
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If we try to interfere with their military adventures, they may knock out our electrical grid with a non-nuclear orbital EMP.
Is no such thing as a non-nuclear EMP that can take down the entire electrical grid. Takes Terrawatts of power to produce that kind of effect and only multi-megaton Ulam-Teller/Sakahrov type devices can generate that. |
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I agree with those about the capability and probable disrepair of the Russian nuclear forces. They are no where near as formidable as they were during the 60s through the 80s. And yes, Obama and his minions are doing enough damage. I do wonder though, how Obama would react if faced with a similar nuclear crisis as JFK \ Cuba \ Russia. I just don't know or have any faith of how determined he would be to defend the country. The generals may have to make those decisions. 
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| Why would the Russians attack us? If anyone we should be worrying about Iran and NK. I know they don't have the ability to reach us now, but it is possible in the near future, 15-20 years. Nuclear weapons will probably never be used, unless the terrorists get some. People are not stupid, they know how much damage just one can cause, and the long-lasting effects of it. |