Posted: 9/16/2009 6:01:33 AM EDT
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2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. Yes, it is. They just accepted my 'short form' for a passport application without a quibble. It's every bit as legally valid as the original. |
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Let me first state this is not a tin foil post. This is a question for the "Not this sh1t again", "get over it he has a US birth certificate", "He already showed it", etc posters. 1. The question is: Why would Obongo spend millions of dollars in lawyer fees, court costs, and other legal defenses, to not have to show his vault copy? 2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. Oh and as I have stated on other posts here. I believe that even if Obongo flat out and out proclaimed "that he is not a natural born U.S. citizen", nothing would happen to him anyway. #1, he really isn't. There are millions of democrat lawyers and operatives who will do that for free. Now, why? Imagine there was a base in Iraq that we had built, but it was empty. Yet the Iraqi's kept flinging rockets and mortars at it. Why would you go tell them to stop wasting their resources shooting the empty base? You wouldn't, you would sit back, laugh at them, and maybe even engage in a little information operations to encourage them to keep shooting at a target they can never hurt you with. Birthers are wasting ordnance on an empty base, and democrats are laughing at them. #2, you are incorrect. I used the same type of form to join the Army, get a security clearance, and get a passport, as have many here. |
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Let me first state this is not a tin foil post. This is a question for the "Not this sh1t again", "get over it he has a US birth certificate", "He already showed it", "racist", etc posters. 1. The question is: Why would Obongo spend millions of dollars in lawyer fees, court costs, and other legal defenses, to not have to show his vault copy? Other than unsubstantiated claims by birthers, I have seen NO evidence whatsoever that Obama has spend any significant amount of money on this, much less "millions" of dollars. What do you base this claim on? 2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. That's not true. The birth certiticate that was scanned and posed online would be perfectly acceptable for getting a U.S. passport. There is no requirement for an "original" birth certiticate, just a valid copy that has the appropriate signature/seals/embossing - which the one posted online does appear to have Oh and as I have stated on other posts here. I believe that even if Obongo flat out and out proclaimed "that he is not a natural born U.S. citizen", nothing would happen to him anyway. |
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2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. Yes, it is. They just accepted my 'short form' for a passport application without a quibble. It's every bit as legally valid as the original. The HI one will not work Link to quoted statement below *A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. And you made a hell of a leap there. As Obamas 'short form' certificate is exactly the same type which any and every Hawaiin woudl receive if they needed a replacement today, are you contending that the entire population of Hawaii can never legally leave US borders? Moreover, it contains no more information then my New Hampshire replacement birth certificate, so I guess the State Department just screwed up and didn't notice mine was a 'short form'? |
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2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. Yes, it is. They just accepted my 'short form' for a passport application without a quibble. It's every bit as legally valid as the original. The HI one will not work Link to quoted statement below *A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. You seem to be mssing the part in red. I have a soldier in my unit from HI who has enlisted and has a passport on a HI abstract. The HI version presented does indeed meet all requirements, thsoe who have examined it in person says it does have the state seal. In addition, the REPUBLICAN governer attested to its accuracy. |
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Thankyou, I missed that word. But still why fight in court not to show it? Go back and read my analogy about the empty base in Iraq until in sinks in. Politics is chess, if your opponets are wasting effort on a fight they cannot win, you encourage them to keep wasting their time and money, you don't say "hey guys, look you are wasting your time, go fight a battle you can win". He may reveal it sooner or later, unless it contains some really embarrasing personal info (like listing him as white), at a time claculated to do the most damage to the right- and all the suckers will have played right in to his hand. |
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Let me first state this is not a tin foil post. This is a question for the "Not this sh1t again", "get over it he has a US birth certificate", "He already showed it", "racist", etc posters. 1. The question is: Why would Obongo spend millions of dollars in lawyer fees, court costs, and other legal defenses, to not have to show his vault copy? Other than unsubstantiated claims by birthers, I have seen NO evidence whatsoever that Obama has spend any significant amount of money on this, much less "millions" of dollars. What do you base this claim on? Well since what lawyers are paid is not on the internet, I will let you have your question. But since when do lawyers work for free. But why even fight it and not show the vault copy? 2. Keep in mind this: The short form that he has provided is not even acceptable by the U.S. State Department to get a U.S. Passport. That's not true. The birth certiticate that was scanned and posed online would be perfectly acceptable for getting a U.S. passport. There is no requirement for an "original" birth certiticate, just a valid copy that has the appropriate signature/seals/embossing - which the one posted online does appear to have Oh and as I have stated on other posts here. I believe that even if Obongo flat out and out proclaimed "that he is not a natural born U.S. citizen", nothing would happen to him anyway. I am not aware of any lawyers spending lots of hours in court "fighting" this. Most of these harebrained lawsuits get thrown out by judges before there's ever a trial or hearing or whatever. Second, there's no doubt that among the tens of thousands of trial lawyers that fantatically support Obama, there are many of them that would be happy to give their time for free to protect him, were it necessary. The publicity of a high-visibility trial would be worth much more than money to lots of lawyers, if this thing were to ever actually come to a trial. Third, I don't see that Obama really is "fighting" anything. I think that he's sitting somewhere, laughing his ass off, every time he hears about new attempts at lawsuits, and claims that he's spending millions of dollars, etc. He has been confirmed as President of the United States according to all the rules on the books, and it's not clear that he's REQUIRED to do anything more (because of the lack of a clear law about which government agency is supposed to verify this, among other things, I guess). Since Obama doesn't NEED to provide anything, why should he humor people that are demanding stuff from him? Many 9/11 tinfoilers weren't satisfied by clear evidence that disproves their idiotic concpiracy theories - why should he expect that the birth certificate tinfoilers would be any different; If he produced an original vault copy (assuming he even could), many of them would just dismiss it as a fake anyway. Why bother. It just sets the bad precedent that any president should be reuired to humor people by providing whatever they demand, whenever they demand it. There's an old saying (forgot by whom), which goes "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - the birthers are not actualyl a THREAT to Obama, and the louder they yell, the more they are ridiculed. |
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Looks like it's receiving downloads from the mothership in orbit. |
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What about the birth announcement , did they go back in time and place that ?
This Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth was published August 13, 1961 on page B-6. It is available only on microfilm in Hawaii libraries. The announcement is 4th from the bottom of the left hand column. http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf |
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Probably for the same reason Hillary had hers locked up.... whatever they have in "the vault" probably has something that would put them out of a job. I don't understand how they're allowed to hide information that voters should be allowed to know to make a decision on whether that person deserves their vote or not. |
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What about the birth announcement , did they go back in time and place that ? This Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth was published August 13, 1961 on page B-6. It is available only on microfilm in Hawaii libraries. The announcement is 4th from the bottom of the left hand column. http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf IF his mother, or grandmother, really wanted Obama to have citizenship and he was born outside of the US then sending in a birth announcement to the papers is no great feat. Nor would it have been a great feat for them to simply send in a letter to get a birth certificate issued under Hawaiian law at the time. They would surely have done both of these things This is not a leap, not sinister plot to make sure he could be President some day - it was simply better to be a US citizen than anything else. Only the original version of the certificate would give anyone any clues as to whether or not it was signed by a doctor or if it was one of the exceptionally easy to get certificates that mother only had to wite a letter to get. It's not crazy or insane or 9/11 trutherish, there was simply a gaping hole in Hawaii Birth certificate law at the time that was probably being exploited by people all over the world to get their children US citizenship. Furthermore, Obama's parents were frequently outside the US and we have several people claiming they witnessed the birth in Kenya. It is by no means a stretch to want to make absolutely sure that his family did not exploit that gaping hole in order to get him citizenship. |
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<snip> There's an old saying (forgot by whom), which goes "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - the birthers are not actualyl a THREAT to Obama, and the louder they yell, the more they are ridiculed. That is from Napolean. I've used it in multiple birther threads, oh great Psychopolitical Master. 
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