[ARCHIVED THREAD] - rem (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/13/2009 8:25:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Just saw the video footage on fox news of the shooting of a suspect. It again shows how useless a tazer truly is. Edit: A tazer or stun gun is a tool that was designed to let you get away from harm. Officers should use firearms. From the video the tazer is not a threat, but the firearm ended the problem. Sure. We can always just go back to beating the shit out of people when there's not a reason to shoot them. 
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Just saw the video footage on fox news of the shooting of a suspect. It again shows how useless a tazer truly is. Edit: A tazer or stun gun is a tool that was designed to let you get away from harm. Officers should use firearms. From the video the tazer is not a threat, but the firearm ended the problem. A taser is an intermediate use of force weapon, when there is no threat of deadly force but there is use of hands on contact. An officer will always use one step higher than the force used by the aggresser. Suspect vs Officer Talk shit vs Hands on hands on vs asp baton / taser knife vs gun and a shitload of backup Shotgun vs ar and a shitload of backup |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. Majority of crooks are desensitized to handguns being that most career criminals know you cant just shoot them. When a turd rides the lightening for 5 seconds thats the last thing they ever want to do again. |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. No, it didn't work in THIS sitatution. In many other situations it does work. Hell, OC, baton strikes, twist locks, etc. do not always work...lets just get rid of em.
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. The taser has two options: 1. Taser with prongs = immobilization tool 2. Stun gun = pain compliance. When you say "stun parties" that is based off of pain compliance which allows movement. Chances are the prong didn't connect to his skin, just his shirt. If there isnt contact between the prongs you wont get a full connection which allows movement. This normally happens with baggy clothes. The taser has saved my ass and others several times, including an individual that attempted to commit suicide with a broken beer bottle to the neck....it works. |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. No, it didn't work in THIS sitatution. In many other situations it does work. Hell, OC, baton strikes, twist locks, etc. do not always work...lets just get rid of em.
hell, shooting someone doesn't always work but lets not inject to much common sense into this thread. what this thread is really about is militarization of the police, anti police, and evil tactical pockets. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. I heard of it used as you mention twice, now. I've SEEN it stop some of the biggest, toughest assholes I've ever run across, and I've seen it save officers from severe injury on at least 2 occasions. A gun doesn't always work as a threat. Should we stop using those, too? |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. No, it didn't work in THIS sitatution. In many other situations it does work. Hell, OC, baton strikes, twist locks, etc. do not always work...lets just get rid of em.
hell, shooting someone doesn't always work but lets not inject to much common sense into this thread. what this thread is really about is militarization of the police, anti police, and evil tactical pockets. Negative. This video has everything to do with the officer doing his job. We dont know what he is being stopped for, maybe a robbery, maybe someone called in about a burglary and said he obesrved a male fitting the description. Point is, when a cop gives you orders do it. Wouldnt have ended this way if the turd would have cooperated. |
When I had a tazer downrange, it had a slider on the side to change it from 10,000 volts to 50,000 volts. I belive it was the same model that is standard for most police forces. At 10,000 volts it pissed you off. at 50,000 you fell over all  and shit. I would guess that the cop had the tazer set on the lowest setting and if he had turned the voltage up, that criminal would probably still be alive.
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. Your posts reek of ignorance. Especially when you can't spell taser correctly. when used correctly, tasers save both cops and suspects from getting the shit kicked out of them. The cop in question did a few things wrong, but using the taser was not one of them. Every situation is different. You can't claim something doesn't work from one incident. |
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When I had a tazer downrange, it had a slider on the side to change it from 10,000 volts to 50,000 volts. I belive it was the same model that is standard for most police forces. At 10,000 volts it pissed you off. at 50,000 you fell over all and shit. I would guess that the cop had the tazer set on the lowest setting and if he had turned the voltage up, that criminal would probably still be alive.There is no setting, its either on or off with a 50,000v ride. Taser x26 is the standard model. |
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hell, shooting someone doesn't always work but lets not inject to much common sense into this thread. what this thread is really about is militarization of the police, anti police, and evil tactical pockets. Negative. This video has everything to do with the officer doing his job. We dont know what he is being stopped for, maybe a robbery, maybe someone called in about a burglary and said he obesrved a male fitting the description. Point is, when a cop gives you orders do it. Wouldnt have ended this way if the turd would have cooperated. the second part was sarcasm based on a common theme around here. 
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hell, shooting someone doesn't always work but lets not inject to much common sense into this thread. what this thread is really about is militarization of the police, anti police, and evil tactical pockets. Negative. This video has everything to do with the officer doing his job. We dont know what he is being stopped for, maybe a robbery, maybe someone called in about a burglary and said he obesrved a male fitting the description. Point is, when a cop gives you orders do it. Wouldnt have ended this way if the turd would have cooperated. the second part was sarcasm based on a common theme around here.
oops, im a little slow when it comes to online sarcasm...sometimes its hard to read. |
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A partner with a Taser kept me from having to put a load of buckshot into mental with a sword not too long ago. When used properly, the Taser is an excellent LE tool. The problem is that, like any tool, it is not always used correctly. Yes, they can fail to stop a threat. So can a baton, a handgun, a shotgun, or a .50 cal, so you always have to have a Plan B. Handguns fail all the time- should we stop carrying them, too?
The biggest problem I see with Tasers is that too many officers see it as the ultimate tool, and pull it out when it might not be appropriate. Hence all these people getting Tased when the officer probably should have just grabbed them and thrown handcuffs on them. Or drawing a Taser when the handgun is really the appropriate tool. |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. Your posts reek of ignorance. Especially when you can't spell taser correctly. when used correctly, tasers save both cops and suspects from getting the shit kicked out of them. The cop in question did a few things wrong, but using the taser was not one of them. Every situation is different. You can't claim something doesn't work from one incident. So you have never made a spelling error? The person attacked the officer, and what tool ended the problem? Get a clue. You can't shoot every person that wants to fight you. Cops get into scuffles every day. Only when the suspect had overpowered him was he in a position to defend his life with deadly force. That's why cops don't whip their guns out at unarmed suspect. You can't shoot someone just because they're coming toward you. |
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Tasers do save lives. There are plenty of suspects who would be dead if it weren't for tasers. If he's got a knife, and he's not charging right at you, the Taser is an option, if you have lethal cover.
Why is that a good thing? Raise a weapon at an officer, and you should reap the fatal benefits that it entails. |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. Your posts reek of ignorance. Especially when you can't spell taser correctly. when used correctly, tasers save both cops and suspects from getting the shit kicked out of them. The cop in question did a few things wrong, but using the taser was not one of them. Every situation is different. You can't claim something doesn't work from one incident. So you have never made a spelling error? The person attacked the officer, and what tool ended the problem? Get a clue. You can't shoot every person that wants to fight you. Cops get into scuffles every day. Only when the suspect had overpowered him was he in a position to defend his life with deadly force. That's why cops don't whip their guns out at unarmed suspect. You can't shoot someone just because they're coming toward you. And that should change. Or do you want to put more and more restrictions on what a police officer can do. Soon it will be that officers will have to make sure thay plead for their life before they can use a taser. Why are you so against making it less difficult for officers to do their job? You act like shooting someone is no big deal. Maybe when you grow up you'll understand that the last thing a police officer wants to do is shoot someone. There is a reason cops carry tasers, pepper spray and ASPs: to meet levels of resistance or aggression with a proper response. Shooting someone because they take a swing at you is not a proper response. The same laws that give cops the right to shoot someone who is threatening them with deadly force, give you protection from being needlessly shot by a police officer without proper cause. Police have a pretty wide legal berth in terms of their actions on the job and departments have clear, established procedures when it comes to use of force. Taking away tasers takes away an option. You're the one advocating restrictions on police. |
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And that should change. Or do you want to put more and more restrictions on what a police officer can do. Soon it will be that officers will have to make sure thay plead for their life before they can use a taser. Why are you so against making it less difficult for officers to do their job? YES! I most DEFINITELY want to put more restrictions on what an officer can do. Why? Because there are people like you out there who think that killing people who don't constitute a deadly threat is 'part of police work'
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Based on your logic, we really need to get rid of pistols too then, right? You might want to check the failure to comply ratios on handgun rounds vs. Tazers. Guess you missed "Officers should use firearms"? Guess you missed how they're pointing out "those don't always work either?" |
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Based on your logic, we really need to get rid of pistols too then, right? You might want to check the failure to comply ratios on handgun rounds vs. Tazers. Guess you missed "Officers should use firearms"? Guess you missed how they're pointing out "those don't always work either?" I guess you missed that they were insinuating that I wanted firearms taken from the officers. No, they weren't. They were asking that since you advocate the removal of Tasers since they aren't a 100% device, shouldn't you also advocate the removal of firearms, since they don't solve the problem 100% of the time? |
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This is one of those threads that could end up going like 4 or 5 pages......... More than likely. But what I am wanting to point out is that tazers / stun guns are not a good tool for law enforcement. they are an excellent tool for law enforcement officers....ask one first hand....shit ask me. Pulling out a taser and sighting in with the red dot, will almost immediately deescalate a situation that could go bad. It did not work out that way for this situation. Hell people are having "stun parties" where they purposly are tazering "c2 version" or stun gunning each other. So when a tazer becomes a party favor it no longer works as a threat. But if you feel it works to protect you, then have at it. Your posts reek of ignorance. Especially when you can't spell taser correctly. when used correctly, tasers save both cops and suspects from getting the shit kicked out of them. The cop in question did a few things wrong, but using the taser was not one of them. Every situation is different. You can't claim something doesn't work from one incident. So you have never made a spelling error? The person attacked the officer, and what tool ended the problem? Get a clue. You can't shoot every person that wants to fight you. Cops get into scuffles every day. Only when the suspect had overpowered him was he in a position to defend his life with deadly force. That's why cops don't whip their guns out at unarmed suspect. You can't shoot someone just because they're coming toward you. And that should change. Or do you want to put more and more restrictions on what a police officer can do. Soon it will be that officers will have to make sure thay plead for their life before they can use a taser. Why are you so against making it less difficult for officers to do their job? You act like shooting someone is no big deal. Maybe when you grow up you'll understand that the last thing a police officer wants to do is shoot someone. There is a reason cops carry tasers, pepper spray and ASPs: to meet levels of resistance or aggression with a proper response. Shooting someone because they take a swing at you is not a proper response. The same laws that give cops the right to shoot someone who is threatening them with deadly force, give you protection from being needlessly shot by a police officer without proper cause. Police have a pretty wide legal berth in terms of their actions on the job and departments have clear, established procedures when it comes to use of force. Taking away tasers takes away an option. You're the one advocating restrictions on police. When I was a young adult police did not have any other tools other than a revolver, shotgun, handcuffs, baton, radio, and a police car with red lighst on top. They seemed to do a fine job without all these fancy toys that officers have to be over cumbered with now. But than again I was working in the USAF with b53's, agm69's and b61's. And when I was a young adult people would pull over to the right and stop when they heard sirens and saw the red flashing lights because it was the right thing to do. Times change. And with it, police tactics must change. |