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7/22/2009 10:34:54 AM EDT
Gamer Sues Sony over First Amendment
NBC Bay Area ^ | Wed, Jul 22, 2009 | LAURA RIPARBELLI

After being banned from a game for "trash talking", Erik Estavillo wants $55,000 and says he needs the game to socialize

What happens when you take away someone’s video games? You might get sued.

A San Jose, Calif., man is suing Sony, claiming the company violated his first amendment rights when they banned him from playing the PlayStation 3 game "Resistance" for something he may have said while communicating with other players. Erik Estavillo, who says he suffers from agoraphobia, a fear of crowds and public places, depends completely on the PlayStation game for social interaction. But Sony occasionally bans users from the on line gaming system when they engage in inappropriate behavior. Estavillo admits that he was doing some “trash talking” while playing "Resistance," but says that virtually everyone who plays the game participates in the same language and he is unsure as to why he was singled out.

Estavillo was issued three warnings before having his account permanently locked. He says he can't remember exactly what he said to set off the Sony banners the final time, although he encourages those interested to visit his YouTube page where he discusses his ailments with Sony in detail.

“I can’t really go outside,” said Estavillo. “On the game, I met a lot of people I liked, and a lot of people that liked me. When they cut me off, I couldn’t talk to those friends anymore.” One of those friends is gamer BarbieGirl, who Estavillo says he views as a sister.

Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders in his filed complaint against Sony on July 6, which claimed the ban "has caused pain and suffering to an already disabled plaintiff."

“[Because of my health], I need all the support I can get. This game is how I communicate with people,” he said.

He is suing on four counts of unlawful behavior, one being the violation of his first amendment rights and another on counts of theft. Estavillo claims he has money in the videogame’s store, which is inaccessible to banned users.

Estavillo is demanding $55,000 in punitive damages as well as "pain and suffering damages." Sony has yet to respond to the suit.
7/22/2009 10:36:39 AM EDT
[#1]
What's the EULA he accepted by playing the game online?

Good luck with that kid.  Hope Sony doesn't countersue.
7/22/2009 10:37:18 AM EDT
[#2]

7/22/2009 10:37:43 AM EDT
[#3]
Erik Estavillo is a moron...
7/22/2009 10:37:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Fucking liberals.
7/22/2009 10:38:25 AM EDT
[#5]
What, he can't find a jaziilion web sites to 'socialize' on?
7/22/2009 10:39:34 AM EDT
[#6]
Good luck to him, I hopw Sony counter sues his ass and watches him squirm in a full court room.
7/22/2009 10:41:19 AM EDT
[#7]





Quoted:



What, he can't find a jaziilion web sites to 'socialize' on?



Or other online games, gaming communities?





He was probably like all the other foul mouthed, rude adolescent a-holes and they're glad to be rid of him.





 
7/22/2009 10:41:26 AM EDT
[#8]
The first amendment doesn't apply in a private business.  If they don't like you for what you say they can kick you out.
7/22/2009 10:42:19 AM EDT
[#9]
Mmm, that'd kinda be like suing Arfcom after getting banned, eh?
7/22/2009 10:42:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Maybe he should put down the game controller and pick up a civics book.

Sony isn’t Congress.

I hope Sony countersues his ass, and that the lawyer who took the case is disbarred for gross incompetence.
7/22/2009 10:42:48 AM EDT
[#11]
if he wins, arfcom wont be able to ban people anymore, as this is some of arfcomer's only social outlet
7/22/2009 10:44:23 AM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:


The first amendment doesn't apply in a private business.  If they don't like you for what you say they can kick you out.


This. I fail to see what role the state or federal government played in silencing his First Amendment rights.





 
7/22/2009 10:45:43 AM EDT
[#13]
Dumb ass.  Warned three times for shit talking and they canned him,...boo fucking hoo

I love how bullshit medical conditions + lawyer = payout in today's society.
7/22/2009 10:48:48 AM EDT
[#14]
The question really is...........UNDER THE NEW HATE CRIMES AMENDMENT CAN HE BE PUT IN JAIL FOR 2 YEARS?
7/22/2009 10:51:05 AM EDT
[#15]
I wonder what his user name here is ?
7/22/2009 10:51:06 AM EDT
[#16]
.... I'll just leave this right here.


http://www.youtube.com/user/DPMVincint19
7/22/2009 10:52:07 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Erik Estavillo is a moron...


Bingo!!!!

7/22/2009 10:52:27 AM EDT
[#18]
Seems to me if he'd stop using the N-word all over the internet, he wouldnt be banned. I guarantee you that is what happened...
7/22/2009 10:54:18 AM EDT
[#19]
Maybe Estavillo should just end all of his pain and suffering right now.

Too much time playing video games, too stupid to understand the law. Almost ashamed to be from the same city as this moron.
7/22/2009 10:55:48 AM EDT
[#20]
Their house, their rules.

But color me fucking surprised it's Sony, buncha assholes that don't give two shits about their customers. They make EA seem 100% customer oriented by comparison.

You can thank them for software placed in their music CDs that disables your PC's CD Drive if it even detects what it thinks is copied music.
7/22/2009 10:55:53 AM EDT
[#21]
I say absolutely appalling things to people when I am playing HALO. It helps that I hate children. Nobody seems to complain.
7/22/2009 10:57:22 AM EDT
[#22]
This guy aspires to be a serial killer

One incredibly fucked up individual. He's big on Jesus, and the  Joker.
7/22/2009 10:58:43 AM EDT
[#23]
GR8WHYT will be along shortly to show us his trash talking skills.  

7/22/2009 10:59:10 AM EDT
[#24]



Quoted:


This guy aspires to be a serial killer



One incredibly fucked up individual. He's big on Jesus, and the  Joker.


Do you really need much inspiration Goz?  



 
7/22/2009 10:59:58 AM EDT
[#25]
Not related, but the (fake) video of the angry german kid comes to mind.

7/22/2009 11:02:04 AM EDT
[#26]



Quoted:


Gamer Sues Sony over First Amendment

NBC Bay Area ^ | Wed, Jul 22, 2009 | LAURA RIPARBELLI



After being banned from a game for "trash talking", Erik Estavillo wants $55,000 and says he needs the game to socialize



What happens when you take away someone’s video games? You might get sued.



A San Jose, Calif., man is suing Sony, claiming the company violated his first amendment rights when they banned him from playing the PlayStation 3 game "Resistance" for something he may have said while communicating with other players. Erik Estavillo, who says he suffers from agoraphobia, a fear of crowds and public places, depends completely on the PlayStation game for social interaction. But Sony occasionally bans users from the on line gaming system when they engage in inappropriate behavior. Estavillo admits that he was doing some “trash talking” while playing "Resistance," but says that virtually everyone who plays the game participates in the same language and he is unsure as to why he was singled out.



Estavillo was issued three warnings before having his account permanently locked. He says he can't remember exactly what he said to set off the Sony banners the final time, although he encourages those interested to visit his YouTube page where he discusses his ailments with Sony in detail.



“I can’t really go outside,” said Estavillo. “On the game, I met a lot of people I liked, and a lot of people that liked me. When they cut me off, I couldn’t talk to those friends anymore.” One of those friends is gamer BarbieGirl, who Estavillo says he views as a sister.



Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders in his filed complaint against Sony on July 6, which claimed the ban "has caused pain and suffering to an already disabled plaintiff."



“[Because of my health], I need all the support I can get. This game is how I communicate with people,” he said.



He is suing on four counts of unlawful behavior, one being the violation of his first amendment rights and another on counts of theft. Estavillo claims he has money in the videogame’s store, which is inaccessible to banned users.



Estavillo is demanding $55,000 in punitive damages as well as "pain and suffering damages." Sony has yet to respond to the suit.






1A does not apply to private businesses.



 
7/22/2009 11:03:16 AM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:


The question really is...........UNDER THE NEW HATE CRIMES AMENDMENT CAN HE BE PUT IN JAIL FOR 2 YEARS?


Nope...



New hate crimes law only applies to real-world physical violence, not virtual violence or speech....



And it's not law yet, so there would be an ex-post-facto component...



 
7/22/2009 11:08:36 AM EDT
[#28]
Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders

Enough said.

Why doesnt he just re-register with a dif log on?
7/22/2009 11:10:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Thought it was implied upon signing up that if you get compained on often they ban your ass.  The implied right to refuse service as is generally recognized by the courts covers this, correct?
7/22/2009 11:14:56 AM EDT
[#30]
The first amendment restricts the congress from infringing the freedom of speech… not Sony…

this is a clear case of...

7/22/2009 11:15:17 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders

Enough said.

Why doesnt he just re-register with a dif log on?


Probably ISP banned.  He'd have to change internet service providers.

7/22/2009 11:18:14 AM EDT
[#32]
In a related story, the website AR15.com filed for bankrupcy do to a combination of lawsuits by banned users and because the general discussion board "had da aids".
7/22/2009 11:38:19 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
What, he can't find a jaziilion web sites to 'socialize' on?


easier to find 7 year old boys on PS3 online....
7/22/2009 11:45:03 AM EDT
[#34]



Quoted:


Fucking liberals.


No.  Fuck the long string of lawyers who would take that abortion of a case.



Killing all the lawyers would go a long way to setting society back on track.



 
7/22/2009 12:15:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Their house, their rules.

But color me fucking surprised it's Sony, buncha assholes that don't give two shits about their customers. They make EA seem 100% customer oriented by comparison.

You can thank them for software placed in their music CDs that disables your PC's CD Drive if it even detects what it thinks is copied music.






7/22/2009 12:20:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Their house, their rules.

But color me fucking surprised it's Sony, buncha assholes that don't give two shits about their customers. They make EA seem 100% customer oriented by comparison.

You can thank them for software placed in their music CDs that disables your PC's CD Drive if it even detects what it thinks is copied music.










They got sued over it.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39244664,00.htm
7/22/2009 12:25:50 PM EDT
[#37]




Quoted:

The first amendment doesn't apply in a private business. If they don't like you for what you say they can kick you out.


+1.  Some ARFCOMers need to learn this distinction.

7/22/2009 12:26:08 PM EDT
[#38]
There's no way that kid is 29 years old.

7/22/2009 4:42:37 PM EDT
[#39]
You can get people banned on the PlayStation Network? Please tell me how, you should see some of the nasty e-mails I get just because I won a game.
7/22/2009 4:44:09 PM EDT
[#40]
He'll get $10k undisclosed to go away
7/22/2009 4:45:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Not a First Amendment issue.
7/22/2009 4:49:29 PM EDT
[#42]
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY VOTING SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO ABOUT 9% OF THE POPULATION


Newsflash, dickhead (subject of the article): The constitution is a document that prevents the GOVERNMENT from certain restrictions of freedoms, not fucking Sony. If I want to ban Asians from entering my home and vehicle I am prejudiced, not in violation of the constitution. The only way this could be a legit claim is if this was under federally controlled/regulated airwaves and even then, the rules of private property STILL apply. I hate fucking stupid. I'd like to sue his mother for being an unconstitutionally stupid bitch, for not hooking up with a guy who beat this kid regularly for his fucktard brain.
7/22/2009 4:50:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
The first amendment doesn't apply in a private business.  If they don't like you for what you say they can kick you out.


Let him go through the process and then have Sony send him their legal bills for the frivolous lawsuit.
7/22/2009 4:57:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Sony should counter sue for the guys balls and take them after they win, just to make sure some confused internet slut doesn't breed with this guy.
7/22/2009 5:27:04 PM EDT
[#45]
This guy sounds like a real piece of work. I hope Sony counter sues his shut in ass off!
7/22/2009 8:04:26 PM EDT
[#46]



Quoted:


Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders



Enough said.



Why doesnt he just re-register with a dif log on?


He's probably an EverQuest (Sony equivalent to WoW) or other MMO player, who's 'social life' is tied up in his online 'persona'....



 
7/22/2009 8:08:29 PM EDT
[#47]




Quoted:

The first amendment doesn't apply in a private business. If they don't like you for what you say they can kick you out.




This. He obviously doesn't suffer from asshataphobia or entitlementaphobia. Maybe instead of "social networking" he should study constitutional law before filing a frivolous suit.
7/22/2009 8:12:42 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Estavillo, 29, cited a number of mental disorders

Enough said.

Why doesnt he just re-register with a dif log on?

He's probably an EverQuest (Sony equivalent to WoW) or other MMO player, who's 'social life' is tied up in his online 'persona'....
 


WoW and Everquest types are my favorite. I would rather wade into back yard full of hungry ghetto ponies to disconnect somebodies cable than have to deal with an Everquest/Wow player who is having trouble because his Ventrillo connection dropped for 30 seconds one night while they were chatting up another player. Not only do they get very aggressive but it means I have to enter their homes, which is a test of ones ability to act dignified in the face of extreme filth.
7/22/2009 8:16:19 PM EDT
[#49]
PSN has moderators? I've said and heard all kinds of insulting shit on PSN and I've never been or even heard of someone being warned until now........
7/22/2009 8:27:11 PM EDT
[#50]



Quoted:


He'll get $10k undisclosed to go away


I bet that's what they're banking on but I would imagine this is not a precedent Sony wishes to set. If word gets out he got paid off every gamertard in America will be hiring lawyers.