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6/24/2009 8:12:03 AM EDT

My guess is that this is just another gimmick but does anyone know if there is anything beneficial about shell using nitrogen as a cleaning additive to their gasoline? Obviously it must be bonded to something to be present in a liquid.

So what do ya know chemistry types?
6/24/2009 12:03:54 PM EDT
[#1]
There is plenty of nitrogen in ammonia (or longer amine molecules) and this is an excellent carbon cleaning agent.

However, you will loose some MPG with this formulation.
6/24/2009 12:05:33 PM EDT
[#2]
You do know the air you breath is 78% nitrogen, right?
6/24/2009 12:06:46 PM EDT
[#3]
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You do know the air you breath is 78% nitrogen, right?


Nitrogen is already the most common element in your combustion chamber anyway.
6/24/2009 12:07:49 PM EDT
[#4]
In before the "I only inflate my car tires with nitrogen because the bigger molecules don't leak out" foamers.
6/24/2009 12:13:08 PM EDT
[#5]
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In before the "I only inflate my car tires with nitrogen because the bigger molecules don't leak out" foamers.


Its true, plus the lack of moisture in it keeps the pressure stable on hotter and colder days  
6/24/2009 12:18:14 PM EDT
[#6]




Quoted:

There is plenty of nitrogen in ammonia (or longer amine molecules) and this is an excellent carbon cleaning agent.



However, you will loose some MPG with this formulation.


Bingo.  The organic amine is used in tiny amounts and works to reduce deposits.  



Because the pubic is ill-educated on chemistry, if Shell had marketed "amine enriched", the idiots would ignore it.  But they said NITROGEN, people become interested.



Shell is shrewd and effective in marketing.

6/24/2009 12:21:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
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In before the "I only inflate my car tires with nitrogen because the bigger molecules don't leak out" foamers.


Its true, plus the lack of moisture in it keeps the pressure stable on hotter and colder days  


If the atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen and I pump my tires up with regular air after they deflate 22% twice, should I not be reaching 99% Nitrogen in my tires?


As to the fuel, I am pretty sure it is marketing BS with a hint of truth in there some where.



http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10185640-48.html
Starting today, all Shell gas stations will be pumping a new fuel: Shell's nitrogen-enhanced gasoline.

Before you start speculating about the wonder fuel of tomorrow, understand that this nitrogen-enriched gasoline differs from the gas Shell was pumping yesterday in its engine-cleaning detergents and additives.

Shell claims that its nitrogen-enriched gasoline cleans better than before and protects better against engine buildup. Of note, all three grades of gasoline will contain the nitrogen-enriched detergents, with its V-Power premium grade containing five times the government-mandated amount. The results are fewer intake deposits, cleaner combustion chambers, and less fuel injector fouling and intake valve sticking.

Citing the rising complexity of new direct-injected and hybridized engines, Shell also claims that this new fuel is better suited to the rigors of modern drive trains.

Considering that detergents and additives are federally mandated in the United States, and just about every brand of gasoline being pumped today makes some mention of the power of their detergents, we don't see Shell's gas as being very revolutionary. We're also inclined to believe that the "nitrogen enhanced" title is more of a gimmick than anything else. However, any step toward cleaner, better-running engines is a good one in our book.

Shell stated that it didn't expect this new nitrogen-enhanced gasoline to result in an increase in fuel price. But with gas prices being set by individual stations and changing daily, that will be nearly impossible to measure.
6/24/2009 12:23:09 PM EDT
[#8]
Another gimmick in selling gasoline. Gasolie is gasoline, the US EPA will see to that.
6/24/2009 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Another gimmick in selling gasoline. Gasolie is gasoline, the US EPA will see to that.


Up to the rack, it is all ASTM standard.  But individual brands CAN ADD detergents, ethanol etc as long as the AKI isn't decreased or other deviation to ASTM specifications.

6/24/2009 12:41:02 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:

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Another gimmick in selling gasoline. Gasolie is gasoline, the US EPA will see to that.

Up to the rack, it is all ASTM standard.  But individual brands CAN ADD detergents, ethanol etc as long as the AKI isn't decreased or other deviation to ASTM specifications.


And that costs them money . So  they aren't going to do that in today's climate
6/24/2009 12:43:15 PM EDT
[#11]
I put helium in my truck tires, I get 10mpg more over the stuff that comes out of the compressor.
6/24/2009 12:53:51 PM EDT
[#12]
wifes car says only to inflate tires with Nitrogen.... Havent had to inflate them yet so Im not sure I buy into this.  Its a Saturn Sky...maybe its because of the tires being very low profile I dont know....but there is an air compressor in the trunk with fix a flat since there is no room for a spare... not a nitrogen compressor.
6/24/2009 1:09:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Okay, since we are at it, how about adding some Trinitrotoluene or Nitromethane to the mix? That will definitely get you "more get up and go."
6/24/2009 1:33:16 PM EDT
[#14]
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Okay, since we are at it, how about adding some Trinitrotoluene or Nitromethane to the mix? That will definitely get you "more get up and go."


Nitromethane sure wouldn't hurt.
6/24/2009 1:41:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Okay, since we are at it, how about adding some Trinitrotoluene or Nitromethane to the mix? That will definitely get you "more get up and go."


Nitromethane sure wouldn't hurt.



Doesn't nitromethane require cold storage?

6/24/2009 1:43:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Keith_J covered this a few weeks back in his technospeak gibberish. Basically it's a gimmick.


eta As you can already see. Damnit!
6/24/2009 1:46:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
wifes car says only to inflate tires with Nitrogen.... Havent had to inflate them yet so Im not sure I buy into this.  Its a Saturn Sky...maybe its because of the tires being very low profile I dont know....but there is an air compressor in the trunk with fix a flat since there is no room for a spare... not a nitrogen compressor.


Lol, just fill it with a nitrogen rich mixture. Low profile or not I doubt it will hurt them.
6/24/2009 2:02:01 PM EDT
[#18]




Quoted:



Quoted:



Quoted:

Okay, since we are at it, how about adding some Trinitrotoluene or Nitromethane to the mix? That will definitely get you "more get up and go."




Nitromethane sure wouldn't hurt.






Doesn't nitromethane require cold storage?





No.
6/24/2009 2:02:51 PM EDT
[#19]




Quoted:

Keith_J covered this a few weeks back in his technospeak gibberish. Basically it's a gimmick.





eta As you can already see. Damnit!




No, it is just as good if not better than Techron, Chevron's effective detergent package.
6/24/2009 2:12:57 PM EDT
[#20]
shell used to use tetchtron i think they just renamed it