[ARCHIVED THREAD] - AR15 Jam! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/11/2009 10:31:31 AM EDT
| I seen a program on TV last night called The Deadliest Warrior and they had an AR15 Armalite vs a AK47. With mud and water on and in the gun the AR jammed after about 8 shots the AK47 worked fine. I just bought a Bush. AR15 last week and that show hurt my feelings. I dont plan on putting mine in the water or mud so im not worried. Has anyone had a AR jam under normal cinditions? |
| Never a fail to fire, but lots of failures to feed or extract. It was never related to a particular brand of AR15 but more to do with lubrication, carbon build up, magazine springs, magazine getting knocked loose or damages. Worn gas rings, worn gas tube, etc. They are man made machines and will wear out and break down. |
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I saw the portion about the AK vs the AR, didn't watch the whole thing. Seen a few of the other Warrior Match-Ups and kinda liked the show.
The IRA Terrorist Rep, didn't bother to do a single Immediate Action Step after it jammed, just turned around and said, "It Jammed". So I don't know how much stock I put into it. The torture test, they literally scooped mud up and pressed into the ejection port, and a lot of it too, although it pains me to say it, it doesn't surprise me under such a test an AR would eventually jam while an AK would NOT. They did show, despite the claims, the former Mujaheddin Fighter, that I thought said he is now a COP in the US, couldn't out do the AR in accuracy even with that scummy looking IRA rep, who I never caught his background, out shot the AK using the AR. The scumming IRA guy dropped one shot against smaller targets using an AR, while the former Mujaheddin, now cop, dropped a 3 or 4 and had bigger targets. |
| Even when I was in Iraq I never had a problem with my M16, it always fired even in the worst sand storms and the horrible flooding we got over there. I always cleaned it because I didn't want to chance it not firing when I relied on it. Even now with my Armalite Ar15 I have yet to have any problems, but again I always have a cleaned well lubed weapon. Also just on a side note about the AK, thats what it was built for and that is why it is the terrorists go-to weapon of choice. You could bury it in mud, soak it in salt water, pretty much whatever you can think of and it is going to fire. That is the one edge that the AK has over other weapons, so I wouldn't think that much about it and I definitely wouldn't let it upset you. |
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....Also just on a side note about the AK, thats what it was built for and that is why it is the terrorists go-to weapon of choice. You could bury it in mud, soak it in salt water, pretty much whatever you can think of and it is going to fire. That is the one edge that the AK has over other weapons, so I wouldn't think that much about it and I definitely wouldn't let it upset you. The AK shooter kept insisting it was plenty accurate and it would do fine in accuracy, the AR pretty much showed him up on that. They were shooting liquid filled glass jugs from 25yds it appeared, the AK missed 3 or 4 times. For the AR they brought glass vile 1/3 the size and the AR shooter only missed one. |
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I have had many FTF, FTE, FT feeds,
THe worst was at a range in Kuwait during a sand storm pre invasion, the rifle would do about 3 rounds before it choked, so was everyone elses, we broke them down wiped them off and shot them dry then could almost get a whole mag thru- to be fair you couldn't see 20 feet. I had double feeds, I've had broken cases, I've had poorly made relaods get stuck so bad you had to use your foot to kick down the charging handle. Yes the AR like any machine will fail.... However keep it clean, lube it like you are suppose to for the enviroment you are in, keep your mags in good condition, and use quality ammo and you will have minimal problems.... |
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....Also just on a side note about the AK, thats what it was built for and that is why it is the terrorists go-to weapon of choice. You could bury it in mud, soak it in salt water, pretty much whatever you can think of and it is going to fire. That is the one edge that the AK has over other weapons, so I wouldn't think that much about it and I definitely wouldn't let it upset you. The AK shooter kept insisting it was plenty accurate and it would do fine in accuracy, the AR pretty much showed him up on that. They were shooting liquid filled glass jugs from 25yds it appeared, the AK missed 3 or 4 times. For the AR they brought glass vile 1/3 the size and the AR shooter only missed one. That is the down side to AK, sure it will shoot after being put through hell and back, but your giving up the accuracy. I would rather have the accuracy and just have to clean my weapon. |
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My SAR1 jammed more than any other weapon I have owned. I know the SAR1 is not a good example of an AK, but after so many malfunctions I sold it to make room for another AR.
The AK we recovered, completely buried in a sand dune in Iraq during Desert Storm, fired just fine after we used the cleaning rod to break free the packed sand in the barrel, and gave her a fair cleaning internally. |
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I seen a program on TV last night called The Deadliest Warrior and they had an AR15 Armalite vs a AK47. With mud and water on and in the gun the AR jammed after about 8 shots the AK47 worked fine. I just bought a Bush. AR15 last week and that show hurt my feelings. I dont plan on putting mine in the water or mud so im not worried. Has anyone had a AR jam under normal cinditions? When a show is called "deadliest warrior" and it's on Spike TV, the network that actually put on a show about how big of a boob it takes to crush a beer can, this should be seen as an indicator of the credibility of their conclusions. Yes, I've experienced malfunctions with the AR platform, largely related to: - Broken or malfunctioning magazines - Not to spec ammunition - Inadequate lubrication of the weapon - High round count I've also experienced malfunctions with the AK platform. So have others: 
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The Deadliest Warrior That show is gay No, the guy who played Doogie Howser is gay. That DW show is fruitier than Elton John and Richard Simmons skipping hand in hand through a strawberry patch...while wearing gold lame hot pants and singing Julias Dixon's "Lollipop". Man, that's pretty darn gay. 
NOW it's really gay. |
| I've had some type of failure with any gun I own that I've really "used" with the only exception being any of the Glocks I've owned. That being said, I don't consider taking a gun to the range and shooting off a bench or running around with it a little bit being real use. |
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An AK has to work under those conditions because it is intended for peasants and 3rd world thugs who aren't smart enough to clean it. So the fact that an AK is not accurate is irrelevant because those thugs don't aim anyway.
An AR is meant for those who are smart enough to aim and clean their weapon |
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I've had some type of failure with any gun I own that I've really "used" DING DING DING!!!! If you use any weapon for serious purposes or hang around enough of them being used for those purposes, eventually you'll see stuff break. The higher the demands of the end users, the more stuff that breaks. EDIT –– ...and I've personally watched Glocks puke, especially non-9mm Glocks. |
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An AK has to work under those conditions because it is intended for peasants and 3rd world thugs who aren't smart enough to clean it. So the fact that an AK is not accurate is irrelevant because those thugs don't aim anyway. An AR is meant for those who are smart enough to aim and clean their weapon Good point. 
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Both are machines made by man, therefore both are subject to failure under the right circumstances. Keep your AR clean and it will function fine, and outshoot most any AK. I don't get why people find the need to be bent out of shape because your tight-tolerance machine won't function when there's rocks in it.
I sure don't expect my truck's engine to function if I toss a handful of pebbles into the intake, so packing it full of sand and having it jam should be almost common sense. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The M-16 is more accurate. The AK-47 is more reliable. There, now that settles the debate for all time and eternity.  Just get an M14 and be bloody done with it. _MaH Yep. Shitty reliability with inferior accuracy. Scores in Service Rifle increased RAPIDLY once the A2 and capable ammo for 600 yards came out. Sorry, folks, the M14 isn't the superlative service rifle. The ONLY advantage it had over the Garand in SR was detachable mags. |
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I seen a program on TV last night called The Deadliest Warrior and they had an AR15 Armalite vs a AK47. With mud and water on and in the gun the AR jammed after about 8 shots the AK47 worked fine. I just bought a Bush. AR15 last week and that show hurt my feelings. I dont plan on putting mine in the water or mud so im not worried. Has anyone had a AR jam under normal cinditions? When a show is called "deadliest warrior" and it's on Spike TV, the network that actually put on a show about how big of a boob it takes to crush a beer can, this should be seen as an indicator of the credibility of their conclusions. Yes, I've experienced malfunctions with the AR platform, largely related to: - Broken or malfunctioning magazines - Not to spec ammunition - Inadequate lubrication of the weapon - High round count I've also experienced malfunctions with the AK platform. So have others: http://i42.tinypic.com/1zl696w.jpg I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with that pic, I know the top cover is missing but the bolt carrier is forward, is the gas piston broken or missing or something, how did that casing get jammed on the front left side when it should eject on the right? ETA: it looks like two shiny marks on the case rim, maybe the extractor dropped it inside the receiver. |
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I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with that pic, I know the top cover is missing but the bolt carrier is forward, is the gas piston broken or missing or something, how did that casing get jammed on the front left side when it should eject on the right? ETA: it looks like two shiny marks on the case rim, maybe the extractor dropped it inside the receiver. The cover was on when the malfunction happened. Cases getting stuck inside the cavernous receiver of the AK is certainly not unheard of.
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I seen a program on TV last night called The Deadliest Warrior and they had an AR15 Armalite vs a AK47. With mud and water on and in the gun the AR jammed after about 8 shots the AK47 worked fine. I just bought a Bush. AR15 last week and that show hurt my feelings. I dont plan on putting mine in the water or mud so im not worried. Has anyone had a AR jam under normal cinditions? The answer is ALWAYS GET BOTH!! Oh and dont shoot wolf through your AR. If you want an AK I suggest either a 5.56 or 5.45mm model, and get it with a milled receiver if you can. The accuracy of those models is MUCH higher than the 7.62mm type. shoot both and then make your own decision. Yes, the AR is less reliable but the AK is cruder and depending on the caliber is less accurate. Also, as a civilian paper puncher, the AR is better cause its accurate, easily upgraded, and you can add different uppers to it without having to get a whole new gun. |
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Quoted: I had the exact same experience with an SAR1, resulting in the exact same resolution you came to.My SAR1 jammed more than any other weapon I have owned. I know the SAR1 is not a good example of an AK, but after so many malfunctions I sold it to make room for another AR. The AK we recovered, completely buried in a sand dune in Iraq during Desert Storm, fired just fine after we used the cleaning rod to break free the packed sand in the barrel, and gave her a fair cleaning internally. That AK you recovered, when you say a fair internal cleaning, was it something less than an m4 would have took in that scenario? |