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6/2/2009 6:53:46 AM EDT
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Did the Chinese People's Liberation Army buy Hummer from GM?
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        Did the Chinese People's Liberation Army buy Hummer?The Chinese government already owns hundreds of billions of dollars of United States Treasury bonds, but now do they also own Hummer?

Based on published reports, "According to a report from Beijing's Jinghua newspaper, China's Hunan Chengfeng Motor Company is in talks with Indiana-based AM General over a possible joint purchase of ailing HUMMER."

The story goes own to say, "Changfeng is one of several Chinese automakers said to be looking for a route into the U.S. market."

Normally the sale of an American car brand to the Chinese might only raise a few eyebrows, but the problem comes when you consider that Chang Feng is not only state owned:

"Chang Feng (Group) Co., Ltd built in 1950, which is a large state-owned enterprise with total assets 5.54 billions yuan, over 3600 employees." according to the company's web site.

But if you read on the Chang Feng web site also says that the company got its start as part of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, " Chang Feng (Group) Co., Ltd was reorganized in Oct.1996, its former was No. 7319 Factory of Chinese People's Liberation Army Chang Feng (Group) Co.,Ltd."



So if GM has indeed sold Hummer to Chang Feng, you can see why it and the U.S. government would not be keen on disclosing the fact that the People's Liberation Army just bought a car brand based on the American Army's current workhorse vehicle.

It could be a bit politically problematic––-to say the least, that a bankruptcy deal partly crafted inside the Obama administration could have the Chinese People's Liberation Army owning Hummer in September, and that would certainy be reason enough to keep the details of the sale undisclosed.

6/2/2009 6:55:47 AM EDT
[#1]
I get a 404 on the link. Is it some sort of additional services offered at an oriental massage parlor? What is the going rate and how much do you tip?
6/2/2009 6:56:30 AM EDT
[#2]
I got nothing either.
6/2/2009 7:02:02 AM EDT
[#3]
GM Finds Mystery Buyer for Hummer
Tuesday, June 02, 2009  


Print ShareThisNEW YORK —  General Motors Corp. said Tuesday that it has tentatively agreed to sell its Hummer brand, a day after the U.S. automaker filed for bankruptcy protection with hopes that it will transform its most profitable assets into a new company within just 30 days.

The Detroit-based company did not name the proposed buyer or the price, but said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 U.S. jobs in manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships.

"We're not today in a position to be able to identify a buyer. it was part of the agreement," GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson told CBS's "The Early Show." ''We believe the buyer is quite capable of closing."

Critics had seized on the rugged but fuel-inefficient Hummer as a symbol of excess as GM's financial troubles grew and gas prices rose. Sales at Hummer, which is known for hulking sport utility vehicles like the H3, have been in a steep slide since gasoline prices rose to record heights last summer. For the first four months of this year, Hummer sales are down 67 percent.

GM and other automakers will report May auto sales later Tuesday.

A sale of the Hummer brand had been expected. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson had said in April that the automaker was expecting final bids from three potential buyers within the month.

Other terms of the transaction, which is currently tied to a memorandum of understanding, were not disclosed.

The unnamed buyer is planning to "aggressively" finance Hummer's future product programs, according to GM.

"I'm confident that Hummer will thrive globally under its new ownership. And for GM, this sale continues to accelerate the reinvention of GM into a leaner, more focused and more cost-competitive automaker," Troy Clarke, president of GM North America, said in a statement.

GM is also trying to sell its Saab and Saturn brands and will phase out its Pontiac brand as it concentrates on its Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC nameplates.

In advance of Monday's bankruptcy filing by GM, the automaker had agreed on a deal to sell a majority interest in its Adam Opel GmbH unit in Europe.

Under that plan, Canada's Magna International Inc. would get a 20 percent stake in Opel and state-controlled Russian lender Sberbank would take a 35 percent stake. GM will retain a 35 percent holding, while the remaining 10 percent will go to Opel employees.

The proposed deal for Hummer will allow it to continue to contract vehicle manufacturing and business services from GM during the transition process.

The Hummer sale is expected to close by the third quarter's end.

GM sought court protection from its creditors on Monday under Chapter 11 of the U.S. bankruptcy code. The company said it hopes to reshape the company within a month and emerge from reorganization in 60 to 90 days as a profitable entity with fewer employees, factories and dealers



This one is on Fox
6/2/2009 7:04:10 AM EDT
[#4]
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH
6/2/2009 7:04:53 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH






6/2/2009 7:07:32 AM EDT
[#6]
If it's non-UAW, I'll strongly consider one. H3 alpha maybe.
6/2/2009 7:10:02 AM EDT
[#7]
It would be ironic if whomever bought Hummer made a freakin mint selling the metal mastodons, while Government Motors kept hemorrhaging cash by making the Greenie Yugos.
6/2/2009 7:10:36 AM EDT
[#8]
Can someone explain to me why I saw about 20 olive drab HUMVEEs loaded on a train near Xu Zhou, People's Republic of China?
6/2/2009 7:13:16 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Can someone explain to me why I saw about 20 olive drab HUMVEEs loaded on a train near Xu Zhou, People's Republic of China?


China makes a copy of the HMMWV already.
6/2/2009 7:13:16 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH


or the

CHUMMER
6/2/2009 7:18:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Can someone explain to me why I saw about 20 olive drab HUMVEEs loaded on a train near Xu Zhou, People's Republic of China?


China makes a copy of the HMMWV already.


thanks, I should have googled it.  
6/2/2009 7:20:58 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH








No.  One is hand-made and the other is a result of lip service.



6/2/2009 7:22:35 AM EDT
[#13]
Never mind,



I was thinking of something else
6/2/2009 7:26:14 AM EDT
[#14]
So if China starts making hummers, will I be able to pick one up at walmart on at rollback pricing?
6/2/2009 7:32:04 AM EDT
[#15]
The owner's manual should be interesting...
6/2/2009 8:35:32 AM EDT
[#16]
Rush Limbaugh just said the deal is done and wondering if Obama will allow them to be imported.
6/2/2009 8:36:36 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Can someone explain to me why I saw about 20 olive drab HUMVEEs loaded on a train near Xu Zhou, People's Republic of China?


China makes a copy of the HMMWV already.


Of course, just like rail systems, optics, etc...Its china, they can not make up anything of their own.
6/2/2009 8:38:30 AM EDT
[#18]
wow. so much for your warranty.

I figured the buyer to be Middle Eastern. I've heard that the Iraqis, Saudis and others go wild for H2s.
6/2/2009 8:58:09 AM EDT
[#19]
The .mil Hummer is made by AM General, and I highly doubt that China will be making them for us in the future.
6/2/2009 9:04:55 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH


6/2/2009 9:07:00 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Never mind,

I was thinking of something else


This
6/2/2009 9:12:01 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Of course, just like rail systems, optics, etc...Its china, they can not make up anything of their own.

China is one of those nations who are 'True Believers' in one of the first rules of Industrial Espionage:
"Why spend an assload of $$ on R&D for an item, when you can steal the plans?"

Or buy a sample and reverse engineer it. Granted, some reverse engineered copies are total shit, but the
principle still stands.

And if the Chi-Coms buy Hummer, they'll be getting all the correct tooling & specs to correct the mistakes
that their reverse engineering work had made.
6/2/2009 9:15:26 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Of course, just like rail systems, optics, etc...Its china, they can not make up anything of their own.

China is one of those nations who are 'True Believers' in one of the first rules of Industrial Espionage:
"Why spend an assload of $$ on R&D for an item, when you can steal the plans?"

Or buy a sample and reverse engineer it. Granted, some reverse engineered copies are total shit, but the
principle still stands.

And if the Chi-Coms buy Hummer, they'll be getting all the correct tooling & specs to correct the mistakes
that their reverse engineering work had made.


like I've said over and over in these threads about China, GM, the economic dominance of our country.

It is OUR mistakes that will allow the rest of the world to catch up and pass us.  This is one of them.
6/2/2009 9:15:38 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
The .mil Hummer is made by AM General, and I highly doubt that China will be making them for us in the future.



Lets straighten out some things here,

GM has never owned AM General or the Hummvee or H1
GM bought the marketing rights and the "Hummer" name from AM General in 2002
AMG makes the H2 for GM
H3 is pure GM, no AMG involvement
AMG sells a chassis to China and they put their own body on it, which is a direct copy of AMG's Hummvee for the most part
AMG is still building around 80 military Hummvees a day and will continue to do so

6/2/2009 9:30:16 AM EDT
[#25]
China bought Hummer



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_bi_ge/us_automakers






DETROIT – A person briefed on the deal says General Motors Corp. has a tentative agreement to sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. of China.


GM
announced Tuesday that it has a memorandum of understanding to sell the
brand of rugged SUVs, but the company didn't disclose the buyer.


A formal announcement of the buyer's identity was to be made Tuesday afternoon.


Sichuan
Tengzhong deals in road construction, plastics, resins and other
industrial products, but the person briefed on the deal says Hummer
would be its first step into the automotive business. The person spoke
on condition of anonymity because the details have not been made public.


THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.


NEW YORK
(AP) — General Motors Corp. took a key step toward its downsizing on
Tuesday, striking a tentative deal to sell its Hummer brand, while also
revealing that it has potential buyers for its Saturn and Saab brands.


Detroit-based
GM said it has reached a memorandum of understanding with a buyer for
Hummer, though it did not name the buyer or the price. The automaker
said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 U.S. jobs in
manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships.


"We're
not today in a position to be able to identify a buyer. It was part of
the agreement," GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson told CBS's "The Early Show." "We believe the buyer is quite capable of closing."


As
part of the proposed transaction, GM said, Hummer will continue to
contract vehicle manufacturing and business services from GM during a
transitional period. For example, under the proposed agreement, GM's
Shreveport Assembly plant would continue to contract to assemble the H3
and H3T Hummers through at least 2010.


The
automaker also said Tuesday that it has 16 buyers interested in
purchasing its Saturn brand, while three parties are interested in the
Swedish Saab brand.


Chief Financial Officer Ray
Young told reporters and industry analysts on a conference call that GM
is continuing to pursue manufacturing agreements with a new Saturn
buyer.


GM would like to sell the money-losing Saturn brand's
dealership network, contracting with the new buyer to make some of its
cars while the buyer gets other vehicles from different manufacturers.


At the same time, bridge loan discussions with the Swedish government are progressing, Young said.


GM, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday, is racing to remake itself as a smaller, leaner automaker. It is hoping to follow the lead of fellow U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC
by transforming its most profitable assets into a new company in just
30 days and emerging from bankruptcy protection soon after.


But GM is much larger and complex than its Auburn Hills, Mich.-based rival and isn't up against Chrysler LLC's tight June 15 deadline with Fiat.


Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at business consulting firm Protiviti, said the companies pose different challenges. But as with Chrysler, she notes that the Treasury Department made sure many of GM's moving parts were in order ahead of time so a quick bankruptcy reorganization might be possible.


"They
had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government
financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very,
very short period of time," Lindstrom said.


In addition to its
plan to sell the Hummer, Saab and Saturn brands. GM will also phase out
its Pontiac brand, concentrating on its Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and
GMC nameplates.


Separately, the German government on Tuesday said it paid out the first euro300 million ($425 million) in bridge loans
to GM's Adam Opel GmbH division. The loans are part of a deal to shrink
GM's stake in Opel and shield it from GM's bankruptcy protection filing
in the U.S.


Over the weekend, the German government agreed to
lend Opel $2.1 billion. The loans are part of a deal in which Canadian
auto supplier Magna International Inc. and Russian-owned Sberbank will acquire 55 percent of the company.


A
sale of the Hummer brand had been expected. Chief Executive Fritz
Henderson had said in April that the automaker was expecting final bids
from three potential buyers within the month.


GM nailed down deals with its union and a majority of its bondholders and arranged to sell off most of its Opel operations in Europe in order to appear in court Monday with a near-complete plan to quickly emerge with a chance to become profitable.


The
government has said it expects GM to come out of bankruptcy protection
within 60 to 90 days. By comparison, the judge overseeing Chrysler's
case approved the sale of its assets to a group led by Italy's Fiat
Group SpA in just over a month. Some industry observers think Chrysler could emerge as early as this week.


During
Monday's hearing GM Attorney Harvey Miller stressed the magnitude of
the case and the importance of moving GM through court oversight as
fast as possible. He noted that the automaker only has about $2 billion
in cash left.


"If there's going to be a recovery of value, it's
absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible," Miller
said in his opening statement.


The automaker wants to sell the
bulk of its assets to a new company in which the U.S. government will
take a 60 percent ownership stake. The Canadian government would take
12.5 percent of the "New GM," with the United Auto Workers union getting 17.5 percent and unsecured bondholders receiving 10 percent. Existing GM shareholders are expected to be wiped out.


Attorneys
for GM stakeholders packed the stuffy courtroom well ahead of the
automaker's first-day Chapter 11 hearing. U.S. Judge Robert Gerber
moved swiftly through the agenda's more than 25 mostly procedural
motions.


Gerber set GM's sale hearing for June 30, putting it on
a path similar to that of Chrysler. Objections are due on June 19, with
any competing bids required to be submitted by June 22.


Gerber
also gave GM immediate access to $15 billion in government financing to
get it through the next few weeks, and interim approval for use of a
total $33.3 billion in financing, with final approval slated to be
ruled on June 25. The funds are contingent on GM's sale being approved
by July 10. Gerber also approved motions allowing the company to pay
certain prebankruptcy wages, along with supplier and shipping costs.


The sheer size of GM makes it a more complicated case than Chrysler.


GM
made twice as many vehicles as Chrysler's 1.5 million last year and
employs 235,000 people compared with Chrysler's 54,000. GM also has
plants and operations in many more countries, meaning it will likely
have to strike separate deals to navigate the bankruptcy laws of those
places.


GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson said GM has learned a few things by watching Chrysler's case.


"Certainly
the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an
expeditious fashion," Henderson said at a press conference Monday.
"Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363
transaction."


GM's filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection
is the largest ever for an industrial company. GM, which said it has
$172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, had received
about $20 billion in low-interest loans before entering bankruptcy
protection.


___


Associated Press writers Tom Krisher in Detroit and Joe McDonald in Beijing contributed to this report.






6/2/2009 9:31:48 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Sorry, but wouldn't a Chinese Hummer be best marketed as the "Happy Ending"?

_MaH






6/2/2009 9:32:09 AM EDT
[#27]
This thread is totally not what i thought it was going to be about.
6/2/2009 10:44:39 AM EDT
[#28]
There are already at least two Chinese copies of the Hummer, one of which was made in cooperation with AMG.

6/2/2009 11:18:57 AM EDT
[#29]