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Posted: 3/14/2001 7:44:40 AM EDT
I am just curious as to why most of you view the UN as a threat? I am not very educated on the subject, but it seems like a good thing. The only problem I would have was if I was an American soldier under foreign command, but if I had volunteered for UN service I would have no problem. So, why is it so bad? James
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:07:14 AM EDT
The UN has an annual Conference with a stated goal of disarming the world's population. Your guns stand in their way. There are many other reasons as well. Check out [url]http://www.jbs.org/un/un12.htm[/url] and get educated.
[b]1. The UN's basic philosophy is both anti-American and pro-totalitarian. Our Declaration of Independence proclaims the "self-evident" truth that "men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights." But, in its Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the UN ignores God's existence, implies that it grants rights, and then repeatedly claims power "as provided by law" to cancel them out of existence. If any government can place restrictions on such fundamental rights as freedom of speech, the right to keep and bear arms, freedoms of the press, association, movement, and religion, soon there will be no such freedoms. 2. The UN was founded by Communists and CFR members whose common goal was a socialist world government. 3. The UN has always chosen socialist one-worlders for leaders. 4. The UN seeks power to control the environment, population, children ... the world. 5. The UN Charter outlines the path to world tyranny. 6. The UN is building its own army to enforce its will. 7. The UN doesn't settle disputes - it makes them worse! 8. The UN ignores Communist atrocities but targets non-Communist nations and leaders. 9. The UN embraces Communist China - history's most murderous criminal regime. 10. The UN is a moral cesspool filled with perverts and fat cats. 11. America supplies the money, the UN then finances tyrants and assorted enemies of the U.S., and conditions in the nations "aided" grow worse. 12. The UN is a war organization, NOT a peace organization.
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Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:11:42 AM EDT
I do not dislike UN for imposing law and order on some poor nations that can't help themself. But I dislike UN for imposing anything on me, on my rights or on my freedom here in the U.S.A
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:40:32 AM EDT
.....which is why you should never vote for someone who proposes to appoint former U.N. cronies to his administration.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:49:07 AM EDT
The same reason you should!
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:50:57 AM EDT
In my experiance the UN is a confused man with a clipboard and a blue beret.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 9:00:29 AM EDT
[size=3]Those are the most dangerous kind........[/size=3] [grenade]
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 9:01:24 AM EDT
did you vote for anyone in the UN?if they had their way,the entire membership of AR15.com would get an extended vacation at a re-education camp.sorry I can't make it guys,plan to be under siege.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 9:14:48 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/14/2001 10:24:37 AM EDT
UN-moral UN-scupulous UN-lawful UN-individual UN-favorable UN-American UN-Cola UN-equal UN-available The DEMS like then, do you need any other reason than that?
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 10:36:48 AM EDT
The UN is the most UN-American and Anti-American organization there is. Need you know more? "NW" NRA/LMGOA
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 11:03:43 AM EDT
"I am not very educated on the subject," Get educated. As quickly as possible. You will shocked at some of the proposals they put forward. The UN is a dry run for the coming world government.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 12:16:22 PM EDT
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The UN is trying to take our US Constitution and replace it with the UN Constitution. Every right in the USC is taken away in the UNC. That in of itself is enough for me. PS Rifleer1, You live in NC and you sound like you don't know of Sen. Jesse Helms.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 1:20:33 PM EDT
Interesting reading. I honestly didn't know any of that, but now I understand. No, HANGFIRE, seeing I am 17 I haven't gotten into politics very much (yet, but am trying). I am not a troll as most on this board know (seeing I have been around for quite a while). Maybe I will look into Helms, thanks for the suggestion. Get some communication lessons though. James
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 1:30:35 PM EDT
The UN is a threat to our national sovergnty. They have an explicit agenda to disarm every individual in the world except in his role or policeman or military. I will try to find a link to their page and post it. In the meantime, here is General Powell's position. We should be scared to death: Thursday February 15 3:11 AM ET Powell Signals Days of U.S. Dumping on UN Over By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Paying his first visit to the United Nations, Secretary of State Colin Powell gave assurances that the days of acrimony between Republicans and the world body were over. Lavish in his praise, Powell, after meeting Secretary-General Kofi Annan, told reporters, ``I took the opportunity in our conversations to express to the secretary-general our strong support, the president's strong support of the work of the United Nations.''
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 1:47:54 PM EDT
here are some basic problems with the United Nazi's 1. they beleive that right are granted by government and are not inalienable. check out article 29 section 3 of the un bill of rights. which by the way billious clintonious believes gives a better definition of freedom than our own "living" document. 2. the UN beleives that national soverignty is a threat to world peace and must be bypassed or ended in order to bring their version of "law and order" to this wretched planet full of "sickness, poverty, and disease" 3. our treaty with the UN was established illegally because they were not at the time a soverign entity. the constitution provides rules of treaties. a treaty cannot under any circumstance supercede the US constitution. there are currently no provision in our treaty with the UN to pull out. 4. the UN whishes to assert itself as a world governing body by imposing its own taxes, military force, courts, and legislative body. this is obviously a danger to national sovereignty. 5. the UN was formed by a former nazi and communist supporters. i apologize for not remembering who they were, but you should also check into the UN history. 6. the communist party beleived that the UN was just as effective at destroying us "capatalists" as they were. this is all i can think of for now. both Democuns and Republicrats support the UN. however sen. Ron paul (R) from texas has rallied against them. he should have more info on his website
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 2:07:24 PM EDT
The UN is meeting on the "problem" of small arms in New York City the second week of July this year. From their web site: "Once concluded, the draft Protocol will provide an international law enforcement mechanism for crime prevention and the prosecution of traffickers. The Protocol may include articles establishing internationally recognized standards and provisions regarding marking, registration and traceability of firearms." Here is a link to their page: [url]http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/CAB/smallarms/about.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 2:17:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rifleer1: Interesting reading. I honestly didn't know any of that, but now I understand. No, HANGFIRE, seeing I am 17 I haven't gotten into politics very much (yet, but am trying). I am not a troll as most on this board know (seeing I have been around for quite a while). Maybe I will look into Helms, thanks for the suggestion. Get some communication lessons though. James
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Roger that James, editing reply now!
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 2:49:54 PM EDT
Because they suck! You're getting the reasons already on the other posts. Those godless, new-world-order, globalization, hyphenated-culture gun grabbers can kiss my American a$$. I rarely agree with Pat Buchanan but he is spot-on about the UN. Like TJ said, we should avoid "entangling alliances". What looks good on a bullet-ridden corpse? A blue helmet. Molon Labe! [sniper]
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 3:08:56 PM EDT
Because they want to run the world and take away my Constistutional Rights, I don't want to pay into their World Tax proposal either. I don't like the idea of US troops being under foreign commanders. I don't want foreign commie troops acting as local police in the US. I could go on forever with my reasons. Actually, I can think of 666 reasons why I hate the UN. What I really want to know is why does the US, being the suckers we are, keep paying most of the operating costs for the UN, did you guys vote our tax money be spent on such foolishness?
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 3:18:37 PM EDT
When I think of the UN the word "sinister" comes to mind. I'm proud that we subsidize a body that votes against us every chance it gets. The rest of the world envies us and is at war with us but we are too stupid to realize it! Did any UN countries offer to help out Seattle and Tacoma after their earthquake? No. Do they ever help us? No. I'll bet the US is still sending money to India and Turkey, though. Was it the World Trade Organization that put together the Kyoto Treaty that Gore negotiated and went down 99-0 in the Senate? I'm glad the Japanese and Al Gore wanted to get rid of diesel (who cares about farmers, truckdrivers, and our economy anyway?). Another point, I believe it is the Japanese who are the real pushers of the worldwide gun ban. Obviously, they know that gun ownership is the last stumbling block to a one world government. A disarmed people are a little easier to push around, hai? If you don't think we can be enslaved, read about what FDR did to Americans of Asian decent during WW2. Those people were Americans who lost every thing they owned when they were forced into concentration camps (sorry, "internment camps"). I'll bet most of the people on this board would have said "uhh, f*ck you very much, please say hello to my little friend!" But those people didn't have the choice (it did work out in the end- they lost all their possesions and the government paid survivors a whopping $5000 after 55 years). By the way, I can't wait until August 6th and 9th for our annual apology to the f*cking Japanese for ending the war they started. I'm afraid the UN is winning. We are they last major power that owns guns and is free. Two quotes: "We will either hang together or hang separately" - Ben Franklin "What a revoltin' development!" - Thing from The Fantastic Four
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 3:23:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 3:48:56 PM EDT
If Klintler would have been President for another 4 years he probably would have signed over US soveriegnty to the UN. Rifleer, go to the UN main page http://www.un.org/english/ Poke around on here and read when you have some time. The sheep are so uninformed and so damn lazy the UN does'nt even need to hide there agenda anymore. It's all right there, written out for you and anyone else who can read more than 3 sentences at one time. The sheep will wait for the socialist in the press to tell them if anything is wrong, but that will never happen because the press is all for the UN agenda. Beerslayer, the UN is meeting in NYC to talk about global disarmament not any specific problem in NYC. And just so everybody knows, we are talking about global disarmament and we are talking about even revolvers, here is the first paragraph of the UN link provided in the post above:
About the Conference What are small arms and light weapons? Small arms are weapons designed for personal use, while light weapons are designed for use by several persons serving as a crew. [b]Examples of small arms include revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles, sub-machine guns, assault rifles and light machine-guns.[/b] Light weapons include heavy machine-guns, some types of grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns, and portable launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems
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Make no mistake about what is going on here people.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 4:22:40 PM EDT
Because they are trying to overthrow the constitution that so many died for.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 4:29:06 PM EDT
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If you had to ask.....they you must really not have known. Did a paper once in college about the UN and world government. If I recall right, the 'test' topic was how would a world government be formed, what orginization would it be ...and something else. I do know that I got very good passing grade. I basically told the political science prof that the best organization to lead to a world govt was the UN since a similer set up like the US govt, legeslative, executive & judicial. Ah, .....the other part of the question had to deal w/ sovrenty(sp) and how that was what would keep the world govt from becoming a reality. "The 'haves'" of the world wouldn't like "The 'have nots'" telling them what to do (3rd world telling developed what to do) and the 3rd world doesn't like hearing the developed 'don't do this' don't do that. The 3rd world nations want the power, money and so on of the developed nations over night. DOsn't work that way. Look at the world. How many are 'world powers'? Russia, China, USofA, Britain, France, Germany, Japan(?), Canada(?). There are more, but I mean which have a large military machine? Not many nations do. If they can't beat us on the battle feild, they're gonna try at the bargining table. Maybe someday there will be a world govt, but it has to be set up more fairly, equally and so on. If it was set up like the US constitution (federal and state powers) but in this case, would be (world govt and country powers). A lot of IF's.......and that paper was based on IF's too...... (It won't be anytime in my lifetime. That I'm quite sure of.)
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 4:39:44 PM EDT
Obviously, most of you have never worked with the UN, their troops or functionaries. Don't care how evil they are, what their intent is or their desires. They cannot accomplish them, hell they would have a hard time fighting their way out of a wet paper bag.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 8:58:11 PM EDT
obviously, most of you never have worked with the UN, their troops or functionaries, dont care how evil they are, what the intent is or their desires. they cannot accomplish them, hell they would have a hard time fighting their way out of a wet paper bag.
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STLRN i agree that in military strength the UN is weak. especially so if it were not for the US. however they have gotten this far. they will get father. they can do so with politics, which is more lethal than any bomb.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 9:33:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By STLRN: Obviously, most of you have never worked with the UN, their troops or functionaries. Don't care how evil they are, what their intent is or their desires. They cannot accomplish them, hell they would have a hard time fighting their way out of a wet paper bag.
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We got our own politicians(clinton) signing over by EO, our soveriegnty to them. They don't need to fight with sympathizers like him in power.
Link Posted: 3/14/2001 9:49:31 PM EDT
you have to remember through all this rhetoric that the united nations is made up of countries that divide the nations of the world into two "tiers", the first and second. first tier are developed countries that have democratic institutions in place as well as a strong economy, second tier are the developing and/or developed without a democratic govt. different policies folks for different nations. there is no blanket foreing policy for all nations. dont belive everything you read on the internet, think about it. all the money going back and forth between all the developed countries that are allies and you think there is some huge evil power that wants to fuck that all up? get real. admit it like i will, we hate the UN because they wear those stupid blue helmets. make no mistake, the US is in charge of the world now.
Link Posted: 3/15/2001 3:14:37 AM EDT
So the question is "who is running the US?" We now have Colin Powell announcing that there will be no further bashing of the UN. The UN has certain stated objectives which have really not changed through the years, including the policy on disarmament down to the small arms level -- except for military and police. I agree that you can not believe everything you read in the Internet, however, I also believe that we can certainly get a reading on UN objectives and policy by reading the official UN Web site which is the link I posted.
Originally Posted By Pompey: you have to remember through all this rhetoric that the united nations is made up of countries that divide the nations of the world into two "tiers", the first and second. first tier are developed countries that have democratic institutions in place as well as a strong economy, second tier are the developing and/or developed without a democratic govt. different policies folks for different nations. there is no blanket foreing policy for all nations. dont belive everything you read on the internet, think about it. all the money going back and forth between all the developed countries that are allies and you think there is some huge evil power that wants to fuck that all up? get real. admit it like i will, we hate the UN because they wear those stupid blue helmets. make no mistake, the US is in charge of the world now.
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Link Posted: 3/15/2001 7:05:42 PM EDT
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Most of you make good points, especially "fight 4yourrights". Why hate the UN? Well, it's Hil the Hag's "Global Village" nightmare come to life. Look at Europe, er, excuse me the "European Union". European countries used to have character, their own currency even, now, they all use "euros" instead of pounds, francs, marks. Read a story about a green grocer in England who refused to bow to the EU edict that alll produce had be be sold in metric units, and still sold produce by the pound. Indicted and hailed before the criminal courts. How long before there's a new "Euro" language..Esparanto was popular amoung the commie one worlders a few decades ago. EU is just a mini run, tryout, for what the UN would do if they got their way. Basically, the want to drag us all down to the lowest common denominator. And they want to take our guns, because until they do that, they won't feel secure in issuing their really outrageous, we can't even imagine, edicts. Bottom line is do you care if some jerkoff UN president from east bumfuck, never saw a flush toilet til he got to New York, is taking our country's natural resources and redistributing them to the "more needy" cesspools of the world so that we can all live at the dark ages peasant level? Somehow, I have a real problem with that.
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