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5/14/2009 2:39:38 PM EDT
What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.
5/14/2009 2:40:03 PM EDT
[#1]
In.
5/14/2009 2:41:15 PM EDT
[#2]
build first ask questions later, oh yeah get video
5/14/2009 2:42:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Perfectly legal.  Bbl needs to be 16" or more or else must SBR.

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5/14/2009 2:42:40 PM EDT
[#4]
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What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.


no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)

you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?
5/14/2009 2:45:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.


no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)

you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?


BATFE logic is like none other. Thanks for the info.
5/14/2009 2:45:58 PM EDT
[#6]
No paperwork, no 4473, no Federal requirements at all really.  I think they want you to scratch engrave your name and a serial number (you make one up) onto the receiver.



State laws vary, but most free states have no requirements at all.
5/14/2009 2:48:06 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.


no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)

you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?
 

You sure about that?


ETA:  From ATF website:
Question: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be
purchased via internet or shotgun news?
Answer: For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18
U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his
own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The words in red are underlined for emphasis in the original.  It specifically states "for his own PERSONAL use."  I dunno,  but I wouldn't try to transfer a home build.
5/14/2009 2:48:36 PM EDT
[#8]
State laws mainly.

Otherwise you, being in FL should be G2G.

People "build" guns when they assemble kits, just like throwing parts into an AR lower, screwing in that FAL barrel, etc.
5/14/2009 2:50:40 PM EDT
[#9]
sweet
5/14/2009 2:53:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.


no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)

you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?


If you mean Michigan by MI I think you are wrong.  I never saw any law like that for this state.  It is a little hard to make a handgun here.  The handgun needs to be stamped with a serial number than you make out the registration paper work with yourself as both the buyer and seller.

5/14/2009 2:56:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?

This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?

Flame suit engaged.


no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)

you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?


It is legal to do in CA.
5/14/2009 3:04:12 PM EDT
[#12]
http://www.acmearms.com/80percentfaq.php...



5/14/2009 3:43:48 PM EDT
[#13]
You're in Florida, according to your user info.



No problem.  You just have to build it in a configuration that is legal according to federal laws.  Go for it.





CJ


5/14/2009 3:50:02 PM EDT
[#14]
If you are going to build a gun, it may as well be a machine gun.










5/14/2009 3:53:28 PM EDT
[#15]
What are you building, so that we can better help you.
5/14/2009 3:56:06 PM EDT
[#16]



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What are the legal ramifications of building a semi-automatic (no happy switch) firearm?



This would be of my own design, using mostly hardware store materials, I'm just curious, is there ATF forms I need to fill out, a 4473, what?



Flame suit engaged.




no not unless it's prohibited in your state....and one of those states that comes to mind is MI....I think CA as well and NY possibly as well.  I know PA doesn't so I really haven't looked into it very much.  You also need to follow ALL NFA regulations.  Rifles must be 16" barrel OAL, shotguns 18" barrel OAL (total size too has a restriction I believe for both of them)



you only need to fill out a 4473 if you're transferring it, and at that time you should also be engraving all the proper info onto the receiver.  And before someone says otherwise, yes you can sell a home built firearm, even if you made the receiver, but you cannot build the gun with the intent to sell it from the get go....yah follow?
 



You sure about that?





ETA:  From ATF website:

Question: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be

purchased via internet or shotgun news?

Answer: For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18

U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his

own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.



The words in red are underlined for emphasis in the original.  It specifically states "for his own PERSONAL use."  I dunno,  but I wouldn't try to transfer a home build.
Read the whole line though. An unlicensed individual may make a firearm for his own personal use, but not for sale.



It's saying you cannot make it with the intent to sell. You can make it for personal use, then decide down the road to sell it.