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4/24/2009 12:18:33 PM EDT
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority you shall be issued an ar-15. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.
4/24/2009 12:24:51 PM EDT
[#1]
Whats a age of majority?
4/24/2009 12:25:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Whats a age of majority?


Lol, FAIL.
4/24/2009 12:26:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority you shall be issued an ar-15. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.

The age of majority for the purposes of the second amendment begins at 25 and ends at 18. Since you don't have an AR-15 to return upon your death, your estate will be confiscated to care for your descendants' stay in the debtors' prison.

There.

EDIT: Seriously, if Congress can twist "shall not be infringed" to not prohibit the kinds of laws in DC, there's no rewrite that can't be perverted.
4/24/2009 12:26:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority 18 you shall be issued an ar-15M16. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 M16 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.


Fixed
4/24/2009 12:27:09 PM EDT
[#5]



Quoted:



Quoted:

This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority you shall be issued an ar-15. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.



Try to pervert the intent of this one.


The age of majority for the purposes of the second amendment begins at 25 and ends at 18. Since you don't have an AR-15 to return upon your death, your estate will be confiscated to care for your descendants' stay in the debtors' prison.



There.


So now we have to time travel? This new 2nd amendment sucks.
 
4/24/2009 12:27:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority you shall be issued an ar-15. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.

The age of majority for the purposes of the second amendment begins at 25 and ends at 18. Since you don't have an AR-15 to return upon your death, your estate will be confiscated to care for your descendants' stay in the debtors' prison.

There.


never challenge GD to a perversion contest...
4/24/2009 12:27:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority, depending on ones state, you shall be issued an ar-15 or whatever weapon light infantry is issued at the time . Upon one's death, the return of the weapon shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.  Congress, the Senate and the  states shall make no law against the right to keep and bear arms even with amendment to the Constitution of these United States.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.


my changes in red
4/24/2009 12:28:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Everyone gets an expensive hammer?

Will it still be legal to buy mags or ammo?

Will it be legal to do anything with it besides propping up a table?
4/24/2009 12:28:20 PM EDT
[#9]
You forgot the part about it being a right, without that your version means nothing.

You also forgot the part about no infringement, again without that your version means nothing.

Maybe you just need to work this into the tax code somehow.
4/24/2009 12:28:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Please don't be a contract lawyer.
4/24/2009 12:29:01 PM EDT
[#11]
wouldn't it just be easier to say.....son/daughter, you're in the military now
4/24/2009 12:30:56 PM EDT
[#12]
The one we got is good enough.Obama wants to deconstruct the Constitution,but ignores the Declaration of Independence.Reread this;puts the second in perfect perspective.
4/24/2009 12:31:54 PM EDT
[#13]
No right to handguns anymore...  Drat!
4/24/2009 12:32:05 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
You forgot the part about it being a right, without that your version means nothing.

You also forgot the part about no infringement, again without that your version means nothing.

Maybe you just need to work this into the tax code somehow.


check it out.


though, there were those who didnt want the Bill of Rights simply because they thought writing out the rights we had would cause our govt to find ways around them.
4/24/2009 12:33:14 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority, depending on ones state, you shall be issued an ar-15 or whatever weapon light infantry is issued at the time . Upon one's death, the return of the weapon shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.  Congress, the Senate and the  states shall make no law against the right to keep and bear arms even with amendment to the Constitution of these United States.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.


my changes in red

The second amendment is fine as it is. It's Congress, Obama, and at least 4 justices that need to be rewritten...
4/24/2009 12:33:26 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority, depending on ones state, you shall be issued an ar-15 or whatever weapon light infantry is issued at the time . Upon one's death, the return of the weapon shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.  Congress, the Senate and the  states shall make no law against the right to keep and bear arms even with amendment to the Constitution of these United States.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.


my changes in red


And it grows. If you set that precedent, they will change it next chance they get.
4/24/2009 12:35:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
You forgot the part about it being a right, without that your version means nothing.

You also forgot the part about no infringement, again without that your version means nothing.

Maybe you just need to work this into the tax code somehow.


check it out.


though, there were those who didnt want the Bill of Rights simply because they thought writing out the rights we had would cause our govt to find ways around them.


If we didn't have the bill of rights our government would have found a way to relieve us of our rights, hell even with the bill of rights our government is finding a way to relive us of our rights.

Same destination, different route.
4/24/2009 12:35:15 PM EDT
[#18]


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, t The right of the people to keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed.





4/24/2009 12:52:20 PM EDT
[#19]
But this thread reminds me to remind you...

Write to your representatives to let them know you oppose HR45 (gun registration), SB843 (criminalization of private transfers), the DDTC, and ITAR. Suggested text:


Honorable [NAME]:

As your constituent, I would like to inform you of my uncompromising and absolute opposition to HR45 (gun owner and gun registration), SB843 (criminalization of private transactions), and any legislation, treaty, policy, initiative, organization, bureaucrat, or politician that seeks to subvert the United States Constitution by infringing upon my right to keep and bear arms. Specifically, I oppose the following at every level of government:

  • Any so-called "Assault" Weapon Ban.

  • Gun registration or licensing.

  • Any database of guns or ballistic information that is not evidence to an actual crime.

  • Gun owner registration or licensing.

  • Any database of gun owners.

  • Gun bans or restrictions: including, but not limited to bans or restrictions on semi-automatic, high-capacity, or military-pattern handguns, rifles, or shotguns.

  • Ammunition databases, registration, microstamping, or licensing.

  • Mandatory or coerced "smart gun" technology.

  • Waiting periods for purchases of guns or ammunition.

  • Any restrictions or limit on the number of guns or amount of ammunition that may be purchased or possessed at one time or over a definite or indefinite time period.

  • Regulation or monitoring of private transactions. (E.g., the deceitfully named "gun show loophole.")

  • Any legislation, policy, edict, or initiative that would or does function to restrict or decrease the availability or increase the cost of guns, ammunition, or reloading supplies or components for any United States citizen who has not forfeited his or her rights by commission and conviction of a violent crime.

I am not deceived by the lies of politicians who, through ignorance or malice, misrepresent the operation or usefulness of firearms. I am sickened by the crass indifference of politicians and bureaucrats who dance in the blood of innocent victims to garner support for their lies. I am alarmed by the eagerness with which politicians equate gun owners with murderers and terrorists, and the enthusiasm with which these same politicians seek to render gun owners helpless against their attacks. I am actively educating my family, friends, and neighbors regarding the lies and deceits being pushed by said politicians, so that they will know how to vote in future elections.

Where do you stand on gun registration and/or licensing and other gun control, and what specific action(s) will you take to safeguard my right to keep and bear arms and repeal unjust laws already in place, so that I can advise my family, friends, and acquaintances regarding your commitment to the Constitution?

Respectfully,
[YOUR NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Did I miss anything?
4/24/2009 12:52:20 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, t The right of the people to keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed.




/thread
4/24/2009 12:56:34 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
This being the United States of America, upon reaching the age of majority you shall be issued an ar-15. Upon one's death, the return of the ar-15 shall be considered payment in full for any and all estate/death taxes.

Try to pervert the intent of this one.


There would be a lot of ambiguity around what level of "milspec" was intended. You should specifically name Colt.
4/24/2009 12:59:35 PM EDT
[#22]
"The Right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear whatsoever arms and ammunition they shall desire in whatsoever places they shall desire shall not be infringed by any governmental agency, legislature, or person"

ETA: ammunition
4/24/2009 1:02:25 PM EDT
[#23]
So, as AR owners what do we represent right now?  .5% of the population? Yet we still can't get lowers, LPK, fucking anything! Issue one to everybody?  You must never want to build you own or have a second.
4/24/2009 1:46:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, t The right of the people to keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed.




/thread


if the wording is so perfect we wouldnt be talking about this.  you and i may think that t is all that we need but thats not the case with the avg person/
4/24/2009 1:53:54 PM EDT
[#25]




Quoted:



Quoted:



Quoted:



A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, t The right of the people to keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed.









/thread




if the wording is so perfect we wouldnt be talking about this. you and i may think that t is all that we need but thats not the case with the avg person/


Almost all of the Con-law debate over 2A of the past century has revolved around the part I struck out above.  (Hopefully we can move past that post-Heller.  Hopefully.)



Not a swipe at the Founders, God bless 'em, for they couldn't have foreseen how that debate would go over the years –– but had it read as I have it above I dare say we wouldn't have been backed as far away from the original intent as we have over the years and the "average person" you refer to would be much more squared away about the meaning of RKBA.



JMHO, YMMV.



4/24/2009 1:59:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Yeah, lets add rules and laws to our situation, rather than eliminate them.
We'll dig ourselves out yet!