Posted: 4/20/2009 4:09:13 PM EDT
| 1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. |
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1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. WTF are you talking about? No ammo is illegal in NY. Your post if full of fail. ETA: You do realize AR15.com LLC is based out of NY? |
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1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. WTF are you talking about? No ammo is illegal in NY. Your post if full of fail. I think it is infact you who have failed my friend. The thread starter is suggesting that if the commie-state law enforcement agencies were prohibited from buying ammo produced in the US, then there would not be an ammo problem. |
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1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. WTF are you talking about? No ammo is illegal in NY. Your post if full of fail. I think it is infact you who have failed my friend. The thread starter is suggesting that if the commie-state law enforcement agencies were prohibited from buying ammo produced in the US, then there would not be an ammo problem. This |
Check out this story. Right off the pages of ARFCOM to the front page of the Ft. Worth Star Telegram. 
FORT WORTH — Most days are like Christmas for Glen Furtardo. When he opens boxes sent to the Winchester Gallery gun store in east Fort Worth, he finds out what ammunition he’ll have to stock his shelves with that day as demand for weapons and ammo soars. Reports of heavy sales at gun stores began around the time of Barack Obama’s election as president, and months later, dealers are facing ammo shortages nationwide. "People are panicking and buying," said Furtardo, assistant manager. "The crime rate is high, and they are flat scared of what is going to happen in the next few years with the economy and the country. Manufacturers weren’t prepared for this." Retailers and consumers say there may be several reasons gun stores are running out of ammunition — and the cost of what is available is rising. There’s a widespread expectation that Obama’s administration will follow through on a campaign promise to reimpose an assault weapons ban. Some people fear that taxes on ammunition, guns and other firearms-related materials might drastically increase, as they have on cigarettes. Administration officials and Democratic leaders in Congress began saying this month that while they hope to eventually change gun control policies, they will not push the assault weapons ban for now because they know how divisive that debate would be and they don’t want to distract from other goals. The slumping economy — and the angst it brings — is also prompting many first-time buyers to purchase guns and stockpile ammunition. But the economy could also make it hard for manufacturers to get credit to buy supplies to make all that ammo. Whatever the reason, gun stores nationwide face back-ordered ammunition requests and in some cases a wait of six to eight months for delivery. As the demand grows, the cost of ammunition is rising — as is the cost of guns and supplies such as cleaning kits and eye and ear protection. "This is the same thing the oil industry did to us, but now it’s with ammunition," said Tom Mullenix of Oklahoma, who recently shopped at Cheaper Than Dirt in Fort Worth. Federal moves Around the November 2008 elections, some gun store owners began seeing a sharp increase in gun and ammunition sales. This year, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder indicated that the Obama administration would consider pursuing a renewed ban, such as the one that prohibited the possession and sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell last week called on Congress to renew the ban to protect peace officers on the streets. But some leaders say this may not be the right time for the ban. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have indicated that they are reluctant to move forward, and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., recently echoed that on CBS’ 60 Minutes. But she said she hasn’t given up and will "pick the time and the place, no question about it," to seek a renewal of the ban. U.S. Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Lewisville, said: "It’s a political firestorm. The closer to the election, the less enthusiasm there will be to take it up." Rising cost Chad Lane shoots competitively twice a month. To save money on the 200 to 400 bullets he uses, he makes them himself. But even those costs are going up. Last year, he could make 100 rounds for $123. Now, 100 rounds cost $165, he said. "I’m trying to stock up," said Lane, a 20-year-old truck driver. He’s not the only one. DeWayne Irwin, owner of Cheaper Than Dirt, is having a hard time keeping some ammunition on his shelves. He has ordered millions of rounds but has been told that he may wait six to eight months for some of those deliveries. Already, there’s a shortage of ammunition for the .25 ACP and .380 pistols. And prices are rising on those and nearly all other types of ammunition. A box of 50 rounds for a 9 mm pistol, for instance, sold last year for $12.97. Today, it costs $29.97. "It’s so bad," Irwin said. "It’s crazy. . . . And for the foreseeable future, it’s not going to get any better. "It’s going to get worse." New users Part of the reason for the increased demand is that a lot of new gun owners are buying ammo in bulk to use now and to stockpile, Irwin said. "We have a shortage of cleaning kits and eye and ear protection in addition to the ammunition shortages," he said. "That tells me people are buying them and shooting them. "People are scared they are going to have to take their gun and fight for that bucket of carrots or whatever." Instead of buying two boxes of ammunition, a customer might buy 10. "People are hoarding it," Irwin said. "They think it’s either going to run out or people will be taxed more and no one will be able to afford it." ANNA M. TINSLEY, 817-390-7610 |
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1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. And how would that change anything? Stop shipping ammo to 5 states and suddenly the ammo shortage will become a surplus? Laughable. |
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1. No ammo is shipped or sold to address in the following States to include LE agencies.: Illinois, New Jersey, California, DC and New York. I'm not sure how that would work out, it'd be one thing to cut off non-LEO civilians, the Brady Bunch would love that. Cutting off LE Agencies would be another ball game entirely. Lets say for the purpose of argument, that no ammo is shipped or sold to any Californians, LE or otherwise for a year. Well in the first week of the ban, LE would try to snatch up all the calibers they used from gunshops and ammo retailers, probably going as far as to outright confiscate for 'public use and safety'. So as big as Cali is, lets say that gives them about three month's worth of ammunition if they cut back monthly training and qualifying. Most of LE's ammunition goes towards training, so really they might stretch it out longer. But when the stockpiled ammunition starts to look thin and probably sooner, you better believe they'd be hollering at 'bama to send ammunition. Federal Agencies, and likely National Guard would start trucking .223 and 9mm to LE. The govt. isn't going to let cops go without ammunition, especially in that godless place. |
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Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. |
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I would love to see the following: Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. I still do not see how that will fix the problem. Why is Wolf, Brown Bear, Golden Tiger, Barnul sold out everywhere? I highly doubt LEO and .Gov in any city in the US shoot that kind of ammo. Here is the best solution, allow the importation of Norinko, or allow the foreign ammo like Wolf to pass through bonded warehouses faster. |
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I would love to see the following: Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. WI 
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I would love to see the following: Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. WI
We don't want lead contamination of the nation's GOOD cheese supply, now do we? 
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I would love to see the following: Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. WI
We don't want lead contamination of the nation's GOOD cheese supply, now do we? ROFL. |
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I don't understand why more companies haven't followed Barrett's example and just refused to sell to the LE agencies of those states that ban (or are considering banning) their products.
If CA suddenly couldn't get any more firearms and ammo for their State Patrol and SWAT teams, and the stated reason why is because those manufacturers refuse to deal with governments who want to outlaw their products, I think the tune in that state would change right quick. |
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I would love to see the following: Manufacturers in general refuse to sell products to .gov groups in places where civilians are banned from owning that same product. Ammo manufacturers refuse to sell to .gov in CA, NY, NJ, IL, HI, MA, WI. They would lose no money––the civilian market will gladly and enthusiastically make up the difference. That is, until the plant gets raided/seized/mired in bureaucratic morass after about 3 weeks. You do realize that ammo is in no realistic way banned in CA, aside from tracers? Or that CA makes up a very large proportion of the GLOBAL firearms/ammo/accessories/etc market? Something like 1/3, last I heard... To say nothing of the others. All you'd be doing there is fucking over fellow gun owners, who actually won a major victory today––look up about the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals incorporating the 2nd Amendment to the 14th Amendment. That happened today in CA. Gun owner sued and won. anyway. Ammo mfg'rs don't sell direct to LEO in the majority of cases. They sell to wholesalers, who in turn sell to LE and retail. So the only way to cut off LEO is to cut off EVERYONE. Which plays right into the antis' hands. |
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More ammo will require a different business climate. currently, there's too much regulation involved for it to be very attractive for newcomers in the field. The business climate would have them swamped with orders right of the bat, regulations would be a detail to overcome. |
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I think the OP's intent was to expose EVERYONE to the full effects of anti-gun legislation, instead of just gun owners.
This addresses the apparent disconnect that many people have when it comes to supporting the various forms of collectivism, namely that such measures are fine as long as they have no direct impact on their daily lives. It would be sobering for such people to hear "Sorry, what do you want us to do? We're out of ammo and our guns are all busted." when they dial 911 during a break-in. |
| Of course it was a crazy post of mine but it got your attention. Maybe the Industry side will start to pay attention and stand up and take a little more of a public stance and action to help protect the RKBA. Silence by industry only allows the anti's to continue their assault on the RKBA and law abiding citizens. Industry needs to flex their muscle and remind our politicians that jobs are going to be lost and LE agencies won't be served if they continue down this path. It's time to draw the line in the sand and say no more. Stop. |
