[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Just got pulled over (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/30/2009 10:02:17 PM EDT
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Never had a bad experience with a policeman before tonight. Allow me to give a little background before the story.
I have had horrible luck with my 3 old vehicles in these past few weeks. Timing chain went out on my Mustang, BRAND NEW throw-out bearing (less than 3 months old) from napa went out on my Toyota truck, and my beetle dropped a valve seat. I had to share my wife's car for two weeks, and it was no fun at all. For some reason, I decided to fix the beetle first. I bought it a new head on ebay, dropped the motor, and made the repairs. For some reason, I decided to drive the beetle to work, rather than the wife's car like I normally do. Now the story/rant. I leave from work, crank up the beetle, it is a bit weak to turn over. Turn on the lights, and start my 25 mile trek home. About 1/4 I notice the light is a little dim, and realize that my generator is out. I just want to make it home, and I'll deal with it tomorrow. I am half-way home, and the blue-lights start flashing behind me. I begin pulling over off interstate, and as I am almost stopped, he turns the siren on. I guess he figured that regardless of the blue-lights and me pulling off onto the shoulder, maybe I am still unaware of his presence... I put my pistol on the middle of the passenger seat and pull out my license and ccw permit. He steps up to the passenger side of the car, shine the maglight in my eyes, and onto the seat. I unlock the door and hand him my license and CCW permit. He picks my pistol up and puts it on the roof of my car. He wants to know if my permit is up to date (irrelevant, as my pistol WAS NOT CONCEALED AT ALL), and I tell him it is. He asks where I am coming from. I tell him I am headed home from work. He then wants to know where I work, and I tell him the company I work for at Charlotte Douglas Airport. He then wants to see my credentials for the airport, and I have to explain to him that I work through a temp agency. He tells me he could not see me due to my lights (but somehow I was still able to see with them while driving...), and that was why he pulled me over. I told him I had just finished getting the car back on the road, and that the generator has now decided to become my next problem. I also have some smoke coming from under the rear due to some oil I had spilled when doing the work He sees it, and makes some remark about me overheating and "these old cars" He then goes through the insurance/registration up to date questions, and everything is kosher of course. He asks if I had a cell phone, where as I told him yes. He asked if I would be able to call someone to help me out, and I told him "I hope so, there is no way I'll get my car cranked again" He then drops the mag from my pistol, unchambers the round, puts the pistol on my seat, and tells me not to load it until after they pull off. He then leaves me sitting on the side of I-85 with cars and freight trucks flying by 5 feet to the left of me doing 80mph. He made sure that he would make it home safe and sound, but the same consideration was not given to me. What pisses me off more than anything is the way I was treated like a bad guy because I have some bad luck and have a mechanical problem. The whole conversation I was saying "yes, sir" and "no, sir" and being as respectful as anyone could be. I get grilled and question over everything due to my car not charging properly. I am then left on the side of the road with no help at all. I would have made it home just fine had I not been pulled. Thankfully a buddy I work with turned around to make sure everything was fine. He had a jump-pack on him, and it was enough to start my car and get me home. I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Also,sorry for the poor layout of my post. I am tired, and bit worked up, and a bit bummed out too 
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Never had a bad experience with a policeman before tonight. Allow me to give a little background before the story. I have had horrible luck with my 3 old vehicles in these past few weeks. Timing chain went out on my Mustang, BRAND NEW throw-out bearing (less than 3 months old) from napa went out on my Toyota truck, and my beetle dropped a valve seat. I had to share my wife's car for two weeks, and it was no fun at all. For some reason, I decided to fix the beetle first. I bought it a new head on ebay, dropped the motor, and made the repairs. For some reason, I decided to drive the beetle to work, rather than the wife's car like I normally do. Now the story/rant. I leave from work, crank up the beetle, it is a bit weak to turn over. Turn on the lights, and start my 25 mile trek home. About 1/4 I notice the light is a little dim, and realize that my generator is out. I just want to make it home, and I'll deal with it tomorrow. I am half-way home, and the blue-lights start flashing behind me. I begin pulling over off interstate, and as I am almost stopped, he turns the siren on. I guess he figured that regardless of the blue-lights and me pulling off onto the shoulder, maybe I am still unaware of his presence... I put my pistol on the middle of the passenger seat and pull out my license and ccw permit. He steps up to the passenger side of the car, shine the maglight in my eyes, and onto the seat. I unlock the door and hand him my license and CCW permit. He picks my pistol up and puts it on the roof of my car. He wants to know if my permit is up to date (irrelevant, as my pistol WAS NOT CONCEALED AT ALL), and I tell him it is. He asks where I am coming from. I tell him I am headed home from work. He then wants to know where I work, and I tell him the company I work for at Charlotte Douglas Airport. He then wants to see my credentials for the airport, and I have to explain to him that I work through a temp agency. He tells me he could not see me due to my lights (but somehow I was still able to see with them while driving...), and that was why he pulled me over. I told him I had just finished getting the car back on the road, and that the generator has now decided to become my next problem. I also have some smoke coming from under the rear due to some oil I had spilled when doing the work He sees it, and makes some remark about me overheating and "these old cars" He then goes through the insurance/registration up to date questions, and everything is kosher of course. He asks if I had a cell phone, where as I told him yes. He asked if I would be able to call someone to help me out, and I told him "I hope so, there is no way I'll get my car cranked again" He then drops the mag from my pistol, unchambers the round, puts the pistol on my seat, and tells me not to load it until after they pull off. He then leaves me sitting on the side of I-85 with cars and freight trucks flying by 5 feet to the left of me doing 80mph. He made sure that he would make it home safe and sound, but the same consideration was not given to me. What pisses me off more than anything is the way I was treated like a bad guy because I have some bad luck and have a mechanical problem. The whole conversation I was saying "yes, sir" and "no, sir" and being as respectful as anyone could be. I get grilled and question over everything due to my car not charging properly. I am then left on the side of the road with no help at all. I would have made it home just fine had I not been pulled. Thankfully a buddy I work with turned around to make sure everything was fine. He had a jump-pack on him, and it was enough to start my car and get me home. I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Also,sorry for the poor layout of my post. I am tired, and bit worked up, and a bit bummed out too  
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Quoted: Quoted: Maybe its late, but what the hell are you getting at? My guess, is he doesn't think you should have talked at all. Personally, as long as you're not giving up anything you shouldn't, I figure you did fine. Being a dick and not answering any "fishing" questions (you have that right), dramatically increases your chances of getting a ticket for an equipment violation, or some bullshit thing. You being friendly and cooperative (as much as it sucks) left you without a ticket, which he could have (by law) rightly written if he wanted. Just trying to show you the bright side, and cheer you up a little.  |
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Maybe its late, but what the hell are you getting at? My guess, is he doesn't think you should have talked at all. My guess is that when you're driving a beetle with known mechanical problems at night, CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED. Hand him your license and registration, and STFU about the gun unless he wants you out of the car. Cops are normal people, and when a normal person is confronted with a person with a gun at night in a broke-ass car, certain bells go off. Yes, you were doing the responsible thing, but adding a gun to the situation made bells go off in the cops head. And why are you surprised the cop left you on your own? You weren't in Florida. Here the state troopers have helped me get lug nuts off. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe its late, but what the hell are you getting at? My guess, is he doesn't think you should have talked at all. My guess is that when you're driving a beetle with known mechanical problems at night, CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED. Hand him your license and registration, and STFU about the gun unless he wants you out of the car. Cops are normal people, and when a normal person is confronted with a person with a gun at night in a broke-ass car, certain bells go off. Yes, you were doing the responsible thing, but adding a gun to the situation made bells go off in the cops head. And why are you surprised the cop left you on your own? You weren't in Florida. Here the state troopers have helped me get lug nuts off. I don't know about where he's at, but here in Ohio you're required to notify the officer that you're carrying. And you're NOT allowed to touch your pistol during the stop (felony if you do, unless the officer instructed you to). Taking your pistol out does seem odd. I always leave it in place. I've been disarmed once. Most of the time, the cops here (even the state patrol) don't really seem that concerned about it when they pull me over. I suppose every guy is different. One of the guys that pulled me over said he was a CCW holder before he was a State Patrolman. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe its late, but what the hell are you getting at? My guess, is he doesn't think you should have talked at all. My guess is that when you're driving a beetle with known mechanical problems at night, CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED. Hand him your license and registration, and STFU about the gun unless he wants you out of the car. Cops are normal people, and when a normal person is confronted with a person with a gun at night in a broke-ass car, certain bells go off. Yes, you were doing the responsible thing, but adding a gun to the situation made bells go off in the cops head. And why are you surprised the cop left you on your own? You weren't in Florida. Here the state troopers have helped me get lug nuts off. Assuming OP is in North Carolina, I think that the law requires him to inform the officer that he is armed. Placing the firearm on the seat took care of that. |
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Here is my take as a fellow LEO;
He saw a violation and is probably expected to get a certain number of stops per shift (not citations). He sees the CCW permit asks some common LEO questions and everything checks out (you never know unless you ask, I have looked at people and thought, hey this guy looks legit and asked them three questions and realized they had just or were in the process of committing a crime). He makes sure that you have means to get home (cell phone). At this point a number of things could have happened, he could have gotten a call (police call for service) prior/during or after contacting you and needed to leave. Or he just left because he felt like it or needed to take a shit. Sounds like he did serve and protect, I would have stayed unless I was called away or you pissed me off (didn't sound like you did). Police should not be required to be friendly just professional and not sarcastic. However after dealing with the average citizen I have learned to appreciate the nice/honest citizens a lot more. YMMV usmc5593 |
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He made sure that he would make it home safe and sound, but the same consideration was not given to me. You know, it might not mean squat at this point - but on behalf of those of us who think as much of others as ourselves, I really apologize. I won't speculate on what was going through his mind, but it's safe to say that what wasn't at the forefront of his concerns was you as a person. You got boned. It's bound to happen again and again...but in the way of a suggestion meant to turn this thing around, go do something nice for someone who isn't expecting it - I promise, you'll feel better. My 2 cents. |
| Okay, Let me get this straight. You placed your weapon on the passenger seat and as the officer stood at the passenger door you reached over the gun to unlock the passenger door? I have to tell you as a leo, you would have more than that mag-light pointing in your face. PLEASE, when pulled over by the "friendly" leo , 1. PULL OVER FAR ENOUGH OF OF THE ROAD SO THE LEO WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRAFFIC, IF POSSIBLE 2. TURN ON YOUR INSIDE DOME LIGHTS. 3. ROLL DOWN ALL OF YOUR TINTED WINDOWS BEFORE HE GETS TO THE VEHICLE, WEATHER PERMITTING. 4. KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL HOLDING YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE AND CCW PERMIT. 5. LET THE LEO KNOW OF YOUR WEAPON BEFORE YOU MOVE TO REACH FOR ANYTHING. 6. FOLLOW ALL COMMANDS AND REMAIN CALM. Remember, we do no not know you are an upstanding brother of the ar15.com community, we may think you are a felon from Oakland Ca. who does not want to go back to jail. BE SAFE.. |
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Charlotte, huh? You're probably lucky he didn't run into you.
Davidson woman dies in crash with Charlotte police car Posted on March 30th, 2009 by David Boraks A 20-year-old Davidson woman has been identified as the victim in a Sunday night collision with a speeding police car in Charlotte, according to Charlotte news reports. Shatona Evette Robinson of Davidson died in a crash with a police car driven by Officer Martray Proctor, according to newspaper and TV reports. Charlotte Police Chief Rodney Monroe told The Charlotte Observer Monday that the crash happened as a police cruiser was traveling more than 90 miles per hour to a routine traffic stop. The incident is under investigation. It happened shortly after 10 p.m. Sunday on Old Statesville Road. The Observer and TV station WSOC reported the chief as saying the police car was not using its flashing lights. Ms. Robinson was pronounced dead at the scene. Her passengers and the police officer also were treated for injuries. LINKS March 30, 2009, CharlotteObserver.com, “Officer driving more than 90 mph in fatal wreck.” March 30, 2009, WSOC.com, “Chief: Officer in deadly crash not running lights, siren” Here’s the partial report from the Charlotte police department’s Significant Event Log: Incident Address: 7300 Old Statesville Rd. Division: 11 North Date: 3/29/2009 22:15 Accident-Fatality 20090329221501 Boger Jr, William P3990 was operating PDA 776 and was involved in a collision with another car. One person in the car was pronounced deceased on the scene. Two other persons from the car were transported to CMC by MEDIC with serious injuries. The officer was also transported to CMC with serious injuries also. HITS officers responded. |
| You were not treated like a criminal. A (known) criminal with a gun in the car would have been treated a hell of a lot worse. Him unloading the pistol is not that big of deal, especially given the fact that 4 Oakland officers were just murdered last week on a "routine" traffic stop. He let you go with a warning and made sure you had a cell phone to get help, whats the problem here? |
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I live near a court house. The court house is situated next to the Township offices. It's a campus style settting, and their parking lots are next to each other.
The court house parking lot is stained with fluid of every kind from the vehicles driven by people that go to court. The parking lot for the Township offices is entirely free from any such automotive fluid staining. The moral of the story is that "generally speaking", shitheads drive shitty cars. Why would you pick the moment that they light you up to handle your pistol in any way? That just seems to me to be a poor decision on a lot of different levels. Same goes for unlocking the door to hand him your license...unless your windo was non-operational, in which case please refer to my initial observation above. No harm, no foul...you just sound bitter and pissed off because you have crappy cars. Can you take your three shitty rides and sell them to buy one that's moderately reliable? |
| I am not sure about the law where you. You mention the permit was irrelivant. It would have been relevant where I live since you had the gun loaded. There is a difference. Here you can take it with you in the car without a permit but if you have it loaded in the car you need a permit. |
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I fail to see the problem. He spotted a minor infraction, used it to make contact, fished you out, found out that you weren't up to anything nefarious and let you continue on your way no worse for the wear.
Yeah, he could have waited with you until your friend arrived or offered you a jump (they do that around here) but it's not a hard and fast rule that he do that. He may have been assigned a call or something. (then again, he was a state trooper, do they actually do real police work?  )
I would say that you came away from the situation about as well as you could have. He wasn't an asshole and didn't stroke you for the headlights being out, so what's the problem again? |
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I am not sure about the law where you. You mention the permit was irrelivant. It would have been relevant where I live since you had the gun loaded. There is a difference. Here you can take it with you in the car without a permit but if you have it loaded in the car you need a permit. In NC it is legal to carry a firearm loaded in the vehicle as long as its visible. That being said, I would have never removed my weapon from my side or the place it was stored. |
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I am not sure about the law where you. You mention the permit was irrelivant. It would have been relevant where I live since you had the gun loaded. There is a difference. Here you can take it with you in the car without a permit but if you have it loaded in the car you need a permit. In NC it is legal to carry a firearm loaded in the vehicle as long as its visible. That being said, I would have never removed my weapon from my side or the place it was stored. I see . I agree that I would have not laid the gun in the open.
I just had a discussion yesterday with the secretary at our church. She has recently applied for a CCW. She is in the church alone during the week alot and I had advised she do that and take a class. On Mondays there is several thousand dollars that is counted and taken to the bank by her. Anyways, she was asking what if the police pulled me over, "do I have to tell them I have it?"I told her that I would not volunteer that. She also wanted to know "do or should you keep it loaded?" I gave here the standard ARFCOM reply: An unloaded gun is nothing more than a club
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Quoted: Yeah, he could have waited with you until your friend arrived or offered you a jump (they do that around here) but it's not a hard and fast rule that he do that. He may have been assigned a call or something. (then again, he was a state trooper, do they actually do real police work? )One of my old cop buddies back in California (Really cool guy named Ed, who worked in IT part time in his retirement) used to call the California Highway Patrol "AAA with a badge".  Used to really piss 'em off, too.  |
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Other than leaving you stranded on the side of the road I fail to see the problem. First off, accessing and moving a firearm around during a traffic stop is dangerous. Please be careful next time. Secondly, the guy asked you a few routine questions. You answered them truthfully and that was that.
If everytime a car was stopped for an equipment vioaltion and all the officer did was stroke out a violation many criminals would go unapprehended. I have gotten some good grabs after asking a few questions and the operators were deceptive. AN obvious question after someone says they work at an airport is to ask for their creds. Most employees have them. Personally since I put you out of your way and caused you to be stuck I would have stood by until you got help. But some hardass guy might tow your vehicle for being unsafe for not having proper lighting illuminated due to them being so dim from your failed alternator. You have nothing to complain about in my opinion. |
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I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Once about 7-8 years ago, on one of my adventures in Detroit... I actually witnessed a State Trooper, changing someone's tire. On the thruway, in the rain. Shit ya not. |
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I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Once about 7-8 years ago, on one of my adventures in Detroit... I actually witnessed a State Trooper, changing someone's tire. On the thruway, in the rain. Shit ya not. see it all the time around here. ...then again, around here, people call the ambulance for a jump. i know, i've responded before 
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Okay, Let me get this straight. You placed your weapon on the passenger seat and as the officer stood at the passenger door you reached over the gun to unlock the passenger door? I have to tell you as a leo, you would have more than that mag-light pointing in your face. PLEASE, when pulled over by the "friendly" leo , 1. PULL OVER FAR ENOUGH OF OF THE ROAD SO THE LEO WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRAFFIC, IF POSSIBLE 2. TURN ON YOUR INSIDE DOME LIGHTS. 3. ROLL DOWN ALL OF YOUR TINTED WINDOWS BEFORE HE GETS TO THE VEHICLE, WEATHER PERMITTING. 4. KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL HOLDING YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE AND CCW. 5. LET THE LEO KNOW OF YOUR WEAPON BEFORE YOU MOVE TO REACH FOR ANYTHING. 6. FOLLOW ALL COMMANDS AND REMAIN CALM. Remember, we do no not know you are an upstanding brother of the ar15.com community, we may think you are a felon from Oakland Ca. who does not want to go back to jail. BE SAFE.. I'll address reaching across the gun below. 1: I pulled over so far that my passenger tires were in the grass. We just got over 4 days of constant rain, and the last thing I want to do is get myself stuck too. 2: Dome light is broken for some reason. It worked the last time I had driven it. Anyhow, my headliner is white, and there was enough light reflected in my car that I could see everything inside. 3. I have no tinted windows, and my driver's window was rolled down as that is where I anticipated meeting him. My passenger window is an absolute bitch to get back up because the regulator stripped out late last summer, so I did not roll it down. It is also on my list of things to fix
4: left hand was resting on the wheel with my wallet it it. Right hand had my license and CCW. I also used my right hand to unlock the passenger door. As for me reaching across the seat with my pistol in it, I had anticipated him being wary, so I reached so high to unlock the door that my elbow touched the very top of the seat. No quick moves at all. 5: That was the entire reason of e placing the pistol in the seat next to me. I have to leave it in the car while I work (don't feel like making the news for being caught carrying a firearm on the tarmac), and I always dig it out and place it under my leg before pulling off. 6: Did everything that was asked of me, was not twitchy or jerky with any movements. As always, I am nervous getting pulled over, as it has only happened 3 times since I have started driving 10 years ago. |
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I wouldn't have touched my gun or laid it on the seat. You have a concealed handgun license for a reason right? I'm also not going to answer any "fishing" questions. If you're a cop and you want more information than license and registration and maybe some insignificant small talk if you're a nice guy then you'll need to pull someone else over and talk to them. Your only shot at searching the vehicle is if I'm handcuffed in the back of yours. If you don't like me exercising my rights and want to show me who's boss then you can write tickets until you get writers cramp and I'll accept them with a smile. |
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I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Once about 7-8 years ago, on one of my adventures in Detroit... I actually witnessed a State Trooper, changing someone's tire. On the thruway, in the rain. Shit ya not. I've done it twice. The first time was when I worked in Atlanta, it was after a kenny chesney concert, two young white women were stranded in one of the crappiest parts of town. I stopped and helped them out, no way would I leave someone like that stranded in the ghetto. The second time was for a little old lady at a funeral home, just after the funeral. |
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Never had a bad experience with a policeman before tonight. Allow me to give a little background before the story. I have had horrible luck with my 3 old vehicles in these past few weeks. Timing chain went out on my Mustang, BRAND NEW throw-out bearing (less than 3 months old) from napa went out on my Toyota truck, and my beetle dropped a valve seat. I had to share my wife's car for two weeks, and it was no fun at all. For some reason, I decided to fix the beetle first. I bought it a new head on ebay, dropped the motor, and made the repairs. For some reason, I decided to drive the beetle to work, rather than the wife's car like I normally do. Now the story/rant. I leave from work, crank up the beetle, it is a bit weak to turn over. Turn on the lights, and start my 25 mile trek home. About 1/4 I notice the light is a little dim, and realize that my generator is out. I just want to make it home, and I'll deal with it tomorrow. I am half-way home, and the blue-lights start flashing behind me. I begin pulling over off interstate, and as I am almost stopped, he turns the siren on. I guess he figured that regardless of the blue-lights and me pulling off onto the shoulder, maybe I am still unaware of his presence... I put my pistol on the middle of the passenger seat and pull out my license and ccw permit. He steps up to the passenger side of the car, shine the maglight in my eyes, and onto the seat. I unlock the door and hand him my license and CCW permit. He picks my pistol up and puts it on the roof of my car. He wants to know if my permit is up to date (irrelevant, as my pistol WAS NOT CONCEALED AT ALL), and I tell him it is. He asks where I am coming from. I tell him I am headed home from work. He then wants to know where I work, and I tell him the company I work for at Charlotte Douglas Airport. He then wants to see my credentials for the airport, and I have to explain to him that I work through a temp agency. He tells me he could not see me due to my lights (but somehow I was still able to see with them while driving...), and that was why he pulled me over. I told him I had just finished getting the car back on the road, and that the generator has now decided to become my next problem. I also have some smoke coming from under the rear due to some oil I had spilled when doing the work He sees it, and makes some remark about me overheating and "these old cars" He then goes through the insurance/registration up to date questions, and everything is kosher of course. He asks if I had a cell phone, where as I told him yes. He asked if I would be able to call someone to help me out, and I told him "I hope so, there is no way I'll get my car cranked again" He then drops the mag from my pistol, unchambers the round, puts the pistol on my seat, and tells me not to load it until after they pull off. He then leaves me sitting on the side of I-85 with cars and freight trucks flying by 5 feet to the left of me doing 80mph. He made sure that he would make it home safe and sound, but the same consideration was not given to me. What pisses me off more than anything is the way I was treated like a bad guy because I have some bad luck and have a mechanical problem. The whole conversation I was saying "yes, sir" and "no, sir" and being as respectful as anyone could be. I get grilled and question over everything due to my car not charging properly. I am then left on the side of the road with no help at all. I would have made it home just fine had I not been pulled. Thankfully a buddy I work with turned around to make sure everything was fine. He had a jump-pack on him, and it was enough to start my car and get me home. I tried to do everything right, and think I dd well. I just wish that "To protect and Serve" actually meant something these days. I do not mean that I wanted him to fix my car, but It would have been nice not to have been questioned and treated like a criminal that intended to harm him, and then leave before he was sure that I could make arrangements. FWIW: It was state trooper that I was pulled by. Also,sorry for the poor layout of my post. I am tired, and bit worked up, and a bit bummed out too all in all not a bad experience, could have been worse! I think perhaps he was in a hurry to beat you home so he could "take care of" your dog, before you got back!
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Why would you pick the moment that they light you up to handle your pistol in any way? That just seems to me to be a poor decision on a lot of different levels. Same goes for unlocking the door to hand him your license...unless your windo was non-operational, in which case please refer to my initial observation above. Answered in a post I made below. Quoted:
No harm, no foul...you just sound bitter and pissed off because you have crappy cars. Can you take your three shitty rides and sell them to buy one that's moderately reliable? Come again? My Mustang is insured via Hagerty for more than most new cars are worth... 
I bought the Beetle for $1500 5 years ago. It was a "daily driver" without needing much more than a battery changed once, oil changes, and the regular 3000 mile valve adjustment (this is routine maintenance on an aircooled engine), and I get 30mpg to boot. My Toyota 4x4 is a hand-me-down from my father. The only reason it is down now is due to me making the mistake of buying shitty chain-store parts rather than a quality performance clutch kit. I replaced the clutch in December, and the throwout bearing shitted out on me while driving in the snow a few weeks ago. My cars are far from "shitty", and I am not "bitter" about driving "shitty" cars either, I am just having crap luck right now. |
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I am not sure about the law where you. You mention the permit was irrelivant. It would have been relevant where I live since you had the gun loaded. There is a difference. Here you can take it with you in the car without a permit but if you have it loaded in the car you need a permit. NC is an open carry state. I can carry in a vehicle with round in the chamber without a permit so long as I don't conceal it. ETA: beat to it
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| Your bad "experience" is a result of driving a clunker not the officer. Sell the clunkers and get ONE DEPENDABLE ride. Drive safely and you will have no more problems. As for the officer leaving you stranded you probably wouldn't have made it the rest of the way home on just the battery anyway. Even if you had you probably would have had no lights and may have gotten pulled again. Moral of the story, one reliable vehicle > three shitboxes.. Good luck and hope things work out ok for you. |
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Your bad "experience" is a result of driving a clunker not the officer. Sell the clunkers and get ONE DEPENDABLE ride. Drive safely and you will have no more problems. As for the officer leaving you stranded you probably wouldn't have made it the rest of the way home on just the battery anyway. Even if you had you probably would have had no lights and may have gotten pulled again. Moral of the story, one reliable vehicle > three shitboxes.. Good luck and hope things work out ok for you. 
Please see the post above 2 posts above yours
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Im no LEO and we live in the same town. I dont see anything the cop did as wrong. He saw a vehicle that he felt may get stranded and block traffic on 85 so he pulled it over.. He made sure you had the means to call for help. What did you expect him to do, repair your car or call for a city wrecker to come snatch your car so you could pay for the impound?
As far as touching your weapon and having a CCW license. Dont touch your weapon regardless. When they approach your vehicle keep your EMPTY hands on the wheel and let him know your armed. They will tell you how to proceed from there. Everytime i have had one check my weapon they allways empty it and pull the mag, i think its just a safety thing. I think maybe you are just ill about your ride and the cop just didnt make it any better.. I dont see anything the trooper did as an issue. |
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For those of you saying he should have kept quiet about having his pistol, unfortunately in NC we are required by law to inform an officer if we have a carry permit and whether or not we have a firearm with us. Same in TX BUT... That's a hell of a lot different from finger-fucking your CCW while you're waiting for him to approach you in your vehicle. I can't believe how many people are saying "That's how I inform the officer I am armed.." By pulling it out?! OP is lucky he didn't get drawn on. I don't even fidget around in my glove box; it keeps the officer at ease when he sees my dome light on, window lowered, keys on the dash and my hands on the wheel where he can fucking see them. Officer at ease usually = warning or less, in my experience. How at ease do you think he felt when some guy in a broke-ass car gets stopped and he sees him scrambling to get license, registration, and drawing a pistol?! Jesus H. Christ the stupidity abounds. Lesson #1 kids: volunteer your ccw information in a tactful manner that will not get your head blown off. Attend: The first words out of your mouth, if you live in such a state, should be: "Before we begin, I am required to tell you that I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon. I do have it on me. What would you like for me to do?" And for God's sake keep your hands where he can see them. |
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I have been in much the same situation from the LEOs side on patrol here on the Fort. We actually have a policy that limits us to calling a tow truck for stranded motorists. I would love nothing more than to help someone out with a jump, but like I said, we can't do anything but call a tow truck at the motorists expense. (This policy was established to limit liability.) For motorists who are locked out of their vehicles, we can call a lock smith, but can not render further aid for the same reason as noted above. |
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For those of you saying he should have kept quiet about having his pistol, unfortunately in NC we are required by law to inform an officer if we have a carry permit and whether or not we have a firearm with us. Same in TX BUT... That's a hell of a lot different from finger-fucking your CCW while you're waiting for him to approach you in your vehicle. I can't believe how many people are saying "That's how I inform the officer I am armed.." By pulling it out?! OP is lucky he didn't get drawn on. I don't even fidget around in my glove box; it keeps the officer at ease when he sees my dome light on, window lowered, keys on the dash and my hands on the wheel where he can fucking see them. Officer at ease usually = warning or less, in my experience. How at ease do you think he felt when some guy in a broke-ass car gets stopped and he sees him scrambling to get license, registration, and drawing a pistol?! Jesus H. Christ the stupidity abounds. Lesson #1 kids: volunteer your ccw information in a tactful manner that will not get your head blown off. Attend: The first words out of your mouth, if you live in such a state, should be: "Before we begin, I am required to tell you that I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon. I do have it on me. What would you like for me to do?" And for God's sake keep your hands where he can see them. Please don't mistake what I typed for an excuse to handle your weapon at a traffic stop. That is most certainly not what I said. |
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I am not sure about the law where you. You mention the permit was irrelivant. It would have been relevant where I live since you had the gun loaded. There is a difference. Here you can take it with you in the car without a permit but if you have it loaded in the car you need a permit. NC is an open carry state. I can carry in a vehicle with round in the chamber without a permit so long as I don't conceal it. ETA: beat to it
But apparently it WAS concealed. You told us in two different posts that it was either under your leg, or by your side. You moved it to the seat to place it in plain view. |
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You were not treated like a criminal. A (known) criminal with a gun in the car would have been treated a hell of a lot worse. Him unloading the pistol is not that big of deal, especially given the fact that 4 Oakland officers were just murdered last week on a "routine" traffic stop. He let you go with a warning and made sure you had a cell phone to get help, whats the problem here?
My take on it too. The op was not even pulled out of his car, did not get a ticket, no dogs were shot. |