Posted: 3/6/2009 10:40:55 PM EDT
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I don't get it I've never really thought of it before... I doubt that I would, but who knows...? I'm not excited about it. Nor am I completely against the idea. 
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people.
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. /\ Truth, but I don't regret it one bit. Some of the shit sucks while your in, but the good times are really the only memories that consistantly pop up. I thought it was hell while I was in, but now I do miss some of the stupid shit, and the great folks that shared my time. You will meet some of the best people ever if you do enlist, but you will also meet some of the most self serving, dumbass, shit for brains people that shouldn't be in leadership positions. |
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Yeah, what do you wan to do? That's a huge choice as to which branch you go talk to. Personally I'm a bit biased towards the USAF, but it's what was right for me. The Army/Navy/Marines/Coasties may be right for you, it just depends on what you want out of it. I have no idea... The thought just kinda came to me because I want to "get away" so to speak from life right now and don't really have the funding to do it any other way. I also feel that in some way I should serve my country, I have felt this way for quite some time though. |
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you  . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
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If you're older than 25, don't bother. You might have bad habits that won't be broken in basic training, and just make things harder for you. Incorrect. The younger they are the more of a handful. Generally, Guys over 25 are more mature and responsible and able to follow directions. |
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I went in at 26, and It was tough getting my ass destroyed by my Drill Instructors who were younger than me. As I got to the Fleet, my age started to be an advantage, and I was always put into leadership billets above my rank.
I wouldn't want to be in now though. I imagine morale will be dropping at a pretty rapid rate with BHO in the drivers seat. |
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This. The older guys were also tougher. Some were a bit slower but that is better then the complete nancies that alot of the younger guys were. Quoted:
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If you're older than 25, don't bother. You might have bad habits that won't be broken in basic training, and just make things harder for you. Incorrect. The younger they are the more of a handful. Generally, Guys over 25 are more mature and responsible and able to follow directions. |
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What the title says.
I don't get it I've never really thought of it before... I doubt that I would, but who knows...? I'm not excited about it. Nor am I completely against the idea. Don't do it. Joining the military is not something you do just because you aren't "completely against the idea". Trust me. If you don't know why you want to join, you don't want to join. |
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. |
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. Wow man..Sounds like you had a bad run in the Corps. Yeah I got a lot of ass chewings, and yeah we had to do stuff by the numbers, but once I started punching out on Combat Patrols with me as a Corporal being the highest ranking Marine, I bought into the Small unit leadership line. |
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That is exactly how it works. If you can't fix it with out running to Papa you're fuckedQuoted:
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. 
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Sorry I don't know Marine Corp MOS titles. In layman's terms what is a 03XX?
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. |
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Sorry I don't know Marine Corp MOS titles. In layman's terms what is a 03XX?
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. Infantryman |
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If you're older than 25, don't bother. You might have bad habits that won't be broken in basic training, and just make things harder for you. Not really. I was 31 when I enlisted and we have had some older than that enlist in my unit. The older guys tend to do much better than the younger ones due to better focus and more life experience. |
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Wow that would be fucked up!!!!! It is impossible to run an efficient Infantry unit without effective Team and Squad leaders!Quoted:
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Sorry I don't know Marine Corp MOS titles. In layman's terms what is a 03XX?
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Your personality is going to be a big issue, I didn't realize how incapable I was of abiding stupidity until I enlisted. Independent thought is not appreciated, if you can't shut it off and toe the line, then skip enlisting. The combination of being subordinate to dullards and being expected to obey without question is not something that sits well with some people. In before the motivators. Damn! We need smart privates. WTF happened with you? After all in the Army you are not expected to mindlessly follow orders. As you become a leader you are expected and encouraged to solve problems on the fly. You are also expected to utilize self discipline, if you don't, we help you . It's fool proof what was your MOS??????????
I don't believe you're accurately relaying the way your command truly works, if you found a unit where they do more than pay lip service to small unit leadership, I envy you. I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. Infantryman  Not to mention deadly for the Soldier's or Marines Well I guess some units are to be avoided. In the Army we have 1st Cav and the 10th Mountain sorry bud.
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What the title says.
I don't get it I've never really thought of it before... I doubt that I would, but who knows...? I'm not excited about it. Nor am I completely against the idea. Don't do it. Joining the military is not something you do just because you aren't "completely against the idea". Trust me. If you don't know why you want to join, you don't want to join. this don't show up and be a dumbass in my platoon. I would destroy such Asshatery
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I'll be 19 in August. I don't have perfect eyesight so I wouldn't join the AF.
It would probably be Army or Marines. I'm not concerned about signing bonuses, etc. This would be for a lifestyle change for myself. Unless you are going to be a pilot your eyesight doesn't have to be perfect. Just within a certain range. |
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I'll be 19 in August. I don't have perfect eyesight so I wouldn't join the AF.
It would probably be Army or Marines. I'm not concerned about signing bonuses, etc. This would be for a lifestyle change for myself. The vast majority of jobs in the USAF have nothing to do with actually piloting the planes. |
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I'll be 19 in August. I don't have perfect eyesight so I wouldn't join the AF.
It would probably be Army or Marines. I'm not concerned about signing bonuses, etc. This would be for a lifestyle change for myself. The vast majority of jobs in the USAF have nothing to do with actually piloting the planes. I know but to me the only point of joining the AF would be to fly. |
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I'll be 19 in August. I don't have perfect eyesight so I wouldn't join the AF.
It would probably be Army or Marines. I'm not concerned about signing bonuses, etc. This would be for a lifestyle change for myself. The vast majority of jobs in the USAF have nothing to do with actually piloting the planes. I know but to me the only point of joining the AF would be to fly. You won't fly in any branch as an enlisted man. Only warrant officers and commissioned officers fly. Don't enlist on a whim, this is an important decision which will effect you far beyond the duration of your initial enlistment. Do your homework, look into MOSs that interest you and read up on them. Try to look to the future and decide what you want to do when you leave the military (we all eventually become civilians again). If you are in for a four year (or 5, 6) hitch consider gained some sort of marketable technical or medical training. Of course your ASVAB score will determine what is open to you. I know many of the diesel engine mechanics in my old unit (USMC Light Armored Reconnaissance) went on to find lucrative employment maintaining engines of road construction equipment for the state of Kansas. Think about where you want to be stationed. The Marine Corps has far fewer bases then the Army or the Air Force. |
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I'll be 19 in August. I don't have perfect eyesight so I wouldn't join the AF.
It would probably be Army or Marines. I'm not concerned about signing bonuses, etc. This would be for a lifestyle change for myself. I have 20/400+ eyes (correctable to 20/20) and they let me be aircrew. We've got quite a few pilots who wear glasses/contacts as well. Put that in your proverbial pipe and smoke it. Edit: While we have no enlisted/WO pilots in the AF, there are lots of enlisted aircrew positions. Boom Operators (me. Pass gas, move cargo) , Loadmasters (cargo and/or paratroop drops), flight engineers (Helos for your first slot unless prior MX experience), aerial gunners (helo door gunners and AC-130 shell chuckers), Airborne Cryptic Linguists (listen to folks on the radio in the air, secret squirrel stuff), Sensor Operators (AC-130 and other platforms), and a myriad of back-end positions on AWACS, JSTARS and EC-130s. If you want to fly without going the commissioned route, enlisted aircrew is the way to go. Just make sure you brush up on your ASVAB stuff if your practice tests at the recruiter aren't 85+. The test isn't hard, btw. I think it's high school, or below, in difficulty. Also, you have to be a thinker in my career field since you're, most likely, one-deep on the jet. If SHTF, you can't call someone else to figure out WTF to do. Yes, we have checklists but making things work still requires having to know how the systems function/operate. That said, when orders are given, you go. It's not like the Army where you're hustled around all the time, but we still have to follow the rules. If you've got any enlisted flying questions, email/IM me. |
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I have held multiple 03XX MOSs in the Marine Corps, and no where have I found such a unit. How did you hold multiple MOSs in the 03 occ field without having to re-enlist? And why would you re-enlist if you had issues with your commands? ? He explained it to me via PM, it made total sense. |