[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is Secession The Answer? (Page 1 of 8)
Posted: 2/24/2009 5:07:15 AM EDT
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead?
We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. even the liberals see division coming: 
I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. yes, you don't really think they'll let you emit greenhouse gases from Arfland, do you? it affects them too. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? this isn't "new." |
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The supremacy and insurrection clauses of the constitution preclude secession without a constitutional amendment creating it.
The only time anyone has come close to destroying America was when the south turned traitor. If people want to destroy America, they'd better be able to beat us in a war to do it. |
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Nonviolent secession? Won't happen. The feds would never allow states to just secede without a fight. I don't know...the liberals might just be ate up and wimpy enough to allow a few troublesome states to leave. That and the fact that the loyalty of the military would be question, as in the first civil war. Don't forget, many Confederate senior officers were graduates of Annapolis. |
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The supremacy and insurrection clauses of the constitution preclude secession without a constitutional amendment creating it. The only time anyone has come close to destroying America was when the south turned traitor. If people want to destroy America, they'd better be able to beat us in a war to do it. Now that we have a president-turned-traitor I'm sure we'll come pretty close. |
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I would think the Liberals would like this separation. They can get away from the evil conservatives and maybe have their chance of the Utopia they heard about from their grandfather, John Lennon - Imagine
But of course we know that all the immigrants and gang-bangers will go to the "Utopia" too. |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... |
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give it time..
the current regime (obama and the pelosocialists) are either gonna let this country drift into the rocks or pick a course through the storm that does just as much damage. the end result, god willing is a return to more rational (and less emotional) approach to government.. what is needed is some good conservative leadership.. |
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Nonviolent secession? Won't happen. The feds would never allow states to just secede without a fight. I don't know...the liberals might just be ate up and wimpy enough to allow a few troublesome states to leave. That and the fact that the loyalty of the military would be question, as in the first civil war. Don't forget, many Confederate senior officers were graduates of Annapolis. In 1860, much of the military was raised at the state level, and there was a clear geographic division. Today, it is VERY MUCH a mix of people from different states... Further, back then there was a regionalist division of the US - people had loyalty to a state, it wasn't just 'that place I lived from 5th grade to 12th'.... Today, there is no such division, and no matter what lines you break up the union along, MANY Americans would to find themselves living in 'enemy territory'.... And of course, MOST of the population would just want all the rebels dead, for disrupting their job-and-evening-TV lifestye... All for what? So you could have another nation where the deconstructionists/I WANTS would get pissed at someone telling them what to do, and split it up again in X years? If you're going to run away from a political fight, then run to another country... Don't go to guns & destroy this one out of spite.... Otherwise, we (the entire right-wing - authoritarian & reigeous conservatives, libertarians, ALL OF US who vote 'no' to socialisim) have a shit-ton of political work to do.... |
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An interesting and unemotional response. Status quo, you say? Let the mexican horde in and let them vote. Very interesting, indeed. You see, once they are in, there will be no constitutional voice for many years, if ever. As to your other point, I consider myself a Tennesseean first, and as long as we have a Marxist president, it will stay that way. Oh, one more thing, I can use the bold type, too. Whoopee.
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... |
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An interesting and unemotional response. Status quo, you say? Let the mexican horde in and let them vote. Very interesting, indeed. You see, once they are in, there will be no constitutional voice for many years, if ever. As to your other point, I consider myself a Tennesseean first, and as long as we have a Marxist president, it will stay that way. Quoted:
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... I'm sorry, but we've survived every other 'horde'... It doesn't matter how many groups the present Administration panders to... If they fail to lead - fail to actually come up with a plan that WORKS to get America back to 'good times' again... They will be out of power in 2 years, and out of office in 4. Mexicans or no Mexicans... People want leadership - it's one of those things that transcends party lines.... See Jimmy Carter vs Reagan... The important thing, is for the GOP to be out there pointing out every 'wrong' move that the Dems make.... Have a coherent platform and plan, tell America HOW WE WOULD DO IT BETTER, AND WHY IT WOULD WORK.... Do that, and we'll be back in power before any irreversable damage is done... |
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My problem w/ the current economic situation is that the fucked up bullshit things that states like California have done to ruin their economy are looking for handouts to be bailed out. So where does that money come from??, productive self sustaining states like Texas. It's indirect at the moment, but just wait until legislation is passed that tells the "have" states to give more for the greater good. How will that sit with everyone?
I just assume tell the fed to keep their money and cut ties financially. I had hoped that Gov. Perry would have told Obama to keep his stimulus money, but it's kind of hard when someone offers you money. I'm just afraid of the strings that come with it. |
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I doubt it. Even if it were possible to accomplish without violence the costs would be staggering. Quoted:
back then...people had loyalty to a state, it wasn't just 'that place I lived from 5th grade to 12th'.... Today, there is no such division... Wrong. Ask Americans where their loyalty lies, and the majority will say The United States... In an era where most people move several times in their life, there is little to no loyalty to any one state... The era of growing up, getting married, having kids, and dying all within 50 miles of the same place has been over for decades - the car and the airplane made it happen.... I am a Federal citizen and a residet of Washington State at this time... Although most people won't use those specific terms, their loyalty is to the US first, and the state they happen to live in right now second.... |
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Absolutely.
We need a state or group of states to secede. People say, "What about all the federal funding you lose?" Duh, the feds only have what the states send them for the most part! It's not like they somehow "make money" themselves. Like the highway money. It comes from gas taxes. The taxes are paid at the state level, feed a federal bureaucracy, have a bunch of bullshit strings attached to them and then they come back....cut out the fucking middle man! You tell people in the newly free state that they are free to leave at any time and explain how it will be run- vastly stripped down government etc.....as the parasites and communists leave they will be replaced by freedom loving people from other parts of the country who now have a real reason to get out- someplace better to go. Nobody gets hurt and everybody is happy. |
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Absolutely. We need a state or group of states to secede. People say, "What about all the federal funding you lose?" Duh, the feds only have what the states send them for the most part! It's not like they somehow "make money" themselves. Like the highway money. It comes from gas taxes. The taxes are paid at the state level, feed a federal bureaucracy, have a bunch of bullshit strings attached to them and then they come back....cut out the fucking middle man! You tell people in the newly free state that they are free to leave at any time and explain how it will be run- vastly stripped down government etc.....as the parasites and communists leave they will be replaced by freedom loving people from other parts of the country who now have a real reason to get out- someplace better to go. Nobody gets hurt and everybody is happy. Doesn't work that way... No sovereign nation can let a part of it's territory 'walk away' and retain it's full sovereignty & power.... It doesn't matter if you want anyone to get hurt or not... There is only one answer to Insurrection... And it is the same answer that has been used on every revolt since 1789. Force. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I doubt it. Even if it were possible to accomplish without violence the costs would be staggering. Quoted: back then...people had loyalty to a state, it wasn't just 'that place I lived from 5th grade to 12th'.... Today, there is no such division... Wrong. Ask Americans where their loyalty lies, and the majority will say The United States... In an era where most people move several times in their life, there is little to no loyalty to any one state... The era of growing up, getting married, having kids, and dying all within 50 miles of the same place has been over for decades - the car and the airplane made it happen.... I am a Federal citizen and a residet of Washington State at this time... Although most people won't use those specific terms, their loyalty is to the US first, and the state they happen to live in right now second.... You're over estimating your knowledge on this subject. |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... And what the fuck happens when they won't listen and we've exhausted all peaceful means? Can you answer that? Are we supposed to just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well?" Sorry there sport, but I'm not interested in "settling for less' when it comes to my freedom. Full blown Secession is likely not the right answer but the Fed certainly needs to be put in it's place. |
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back then...people had loyalty to a state, it wasn't just 'that place I lived from 5th grade to 12th'.... Today, there is no such division... Wrong. Ask Americans where their loyalty lies, and the majority will say The United States... In an era where most people move several times in their life, there is little to no loyalty to any one state... The era of growing up, getting married, having kids, and dying all within 50 miles of the same place has been over for decades - the car and the airplane made it happen.... I am a Federal citizen and a residet of Washington State at this time... Although most people won't use those specific terms, their loyalty is to the US first, and the state they happen to live in right now second.... Dave that might be your experience but mine is far different. What you've seen in your few years hardly makes the rule. |
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back then...people had loyalty to a state, it wasn't just 'that place I lived from 5th grade to 12th'.... Today, there is no such division... Wrong. Ask Americans where their loyalty lies, and the majority will say The United States... In an era where most people move several times in their life, there is little to no loyalty to any one state... The era of growing up, getting married, having kids, and dying all within 50 miles of the same place has been over for decades - the car and the airplane made it happen.... I am a Federal citizen and a residet of Washington State at this time... Although most people won't use those specific terms, their loyalty is to the US first, and the state they happen to live in right now second.... You're over estimating your knowledge on this subject. TX and TN do not represent 'the nation' as a whole.... Texans may have the biggest egos of all Americans.... But you are still projecting your views on a nation that by and large does not support you.... |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... And what the fuck happens when they won't listen and we've exhausted all peaceful means? Can you answer that? Are we supposed to just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well?" Sorry there sport, but I'm not interested in "settling for less' when it comes to my freedom. Full blown Secession is likely not the right answer but the Fed certainly needs to be put in it's place. Then you hop a plane... You don't destroy the nation that the rest of us have worked so hard to build, simply because you don't like the results of the last election.... If you want to secede, seceede yourself - sell all your shit and go, just like the whiny libs promised to do (but never did) when W beat their party in 00, 02, and 04. If you cannot win at the federal ballot box, you have no business imposing your views on others by force of arms... |
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This could only be accomplished with violence. No problem with me.
Tis' better than oppression with no liberties. The maps would have to be drawn by county not state. Get away from the coast and Cali leans right. Lose Cook County and IL leans right etc. etc. It would be ugly but socialism and ZERO responsibility/ accountability would be worse. Give the left another 8 years and the entire nation will be San Francisco/ Cook County. 
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Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them). We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood . You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World. We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.. |
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Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully....
Please explain how we fix tens of millions of parasites? That is exactly what they are, bottom feeding, scum sucking, fucking parasites that are all too willing to vote themselves a living at the expense of the productive citizens of this country. How exactly is that fixable in a "democracy"? How easy do you think it would be to convince any decent woman to have 14 kids that she can't support? It can't be done, not that you would know much about having a family I'm guessing. On top of that you legalize 12 million or more as "citizens" from the bottom quintile of Mexicos' population in terms of education and how is that working for you? Exactly the sort of citizens Jefferson and Hamilton had in mind?????????? Our system was not designed to work that way, hence, it is NOT. We are absolutely fucked and there is no way around it other than separation or revolution. BTW, the Romanians would argue that their revolution was rather successful, Ceacescu certainly would agree....Oh wait, they killed his miserable fucking ass and drug it thought he streets as he deserved....It does happen. |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. even the liberals see division coming: http://www.hey-guess-what.com/blog-pics/jesusland.jpg I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. yes, you don't really think they'll let you emit greenhouse gases from Arfland, do you? it affects them too. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? this isn't "new." they don't seem to do anything about China, India, Mexico, all of South America. this just proves that it's all bull shit and just a power grab and wealth redistribution in America. fuck those ass holes. |
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Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully....
Please explain how we fix tens of millions of parasites? That is exactly what they are, bottom feeding, scum sucking, fucking parasites that are all too willing to vote themselves a living at the expense of the productive citizens of this country. How exactly is that fixable in a "democracy"? How easy do you think it would be to convince any decent woman to have 14 kids that she can't support? It can't be done, not that you would know much about having a family I'm guessing. On top of that you legalize 12 million or more as "citizens" from the bottom quintile of Mexicos' population in terms of education and how is that working for you? Exactly the sort of citizens Jefferson and Hamilton had in mind?????????? Our system was not designed to work that way, hence, it is NOT. We are absolutely fucked and there is no way around it other than separation or revolution. BTW, the Romanians would argue that their revolution was rather successful, Ceacescu certainly would agree....Oh wait, they killed his miserable fucking ass and drug it thought he streets as he deserved....It does happen. And more whining about Mexicans.... Guess what... You could go back to any other time in US history when we experienced a major immigration wave, and hear the same shit, different day... Although I will give you this: Secession would fuck this place up so bad that no one would want to come here anymore... So if that is all you care about, I can see what your point is - break the US so bad that people from HERE start illegally immigrating to other countries... |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? Yes, I would support a secessionist movement. When there are "irreconcilable differences" a divorce is sometimes the only solution. It is a voluntary relationship, entered into voluntarily. If it is no longer voluntary, then it is slavery, and we owe it no allegiance. See the Declaration of Independance for more detail and discussion of this point. If we don't come to a peaceable parting of the ways, we will in time, come to a violent one. |
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The Founders would send most of you back to England in tar and feathers The Founders took a very dim view of revolt against THEIR government.... B/S Dave what the hell is the 2nd amendment for then hunting? "The ultimate authority...resides in the people alone." - James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46 "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." - Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775 |
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The oath says "all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC".
We do not need to divide, We do not need succession. All that would do is lead to our demise. The FOUNDATION aka U.S. Constitution is sound. What is needed is a RESET to that foundation. and again "all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC". |
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And more whining about Mexicans....
Guess what... You could go back to any other time in US history when we experienced a major immigration wave, and hear the same shit, different day... Although I will give you this: Secession would fuck this place up so bad that no one would want to come here anymore... So if that is all you care about, I can see what your point is - break the US so bad that people from HERE start illegally immigrating to other countries... And not one answer. Just bullshit. Typical. Really, please explain how you make good republican (note small r) voters out of the worthless? How do you "educate" them......? You don't, it can't be done. We have shoveled more fucking trillions into education than can be counted and look what it has gotten us. It can't be fixed short of people going their separate ways. |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... And what the fuck happens when they won't listen and we've exhausted all peaceful means? Can you answer that? Are we supposed to just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well?" Sorry there sport, but I'm not interested in "settling for less' when it comes to my freedom. Full blown Secession is likely not the right answer but the Fed certainly needs to be put in it's place. Then you hop a plane... You don't destroy the nation that the rest of us have worked so hard to build, simply because you don't like the results of the last election.... If you want to secede, seceede yourself - sell all your shit and go, just like the whiny libs promised to do (but never did) when W beat their party in 00, 02, and 04. If you cannot win at the federal ballot box, you have no business imposing your views on others by force of arms... Listen carefully. I will NOT run out on my country. EVER. Party loyalty is secondary......my loyalty is to the constitution and BoR. Those documents are what makes our nation.....not any president or politician, therefore, they are to be defended at all costs. This isn't about the results of the election....I could care less if there is a D or an R in charge as long as they respect the constitution and BoR. This isn't about imposing my views, it's about the belief in defending what so many have died for. 
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Here is a model separation agreement: Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them). We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood . You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World. We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.. And when both liberal and conservatives say 'Fuck that, you're not stealing half our country'? It's not a liberal or a conservative thing... It's an 'America's power, prestige, and economic sucess depend on our unity and stability thing'.... That much power is worth fighting to save, regardless of ideology.... It's worth the effort to live in the world's most powerful & stable nation... Instead of living in a 3rd-world shithole, with a worthless currency, no economy & a tin-hat dictatorship for a government... Because that's what secession would do to the resulting nations... The US economy, our money, everything we have comes from the fact that we do NOT have revolutions & coups in the streets - we change power in an orderly fashion.... Break that, and everything goes down the tubes... |
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A local radio station in Nashville this morning is discussing a topic I have held dear for a few years now. The progression toward Marxism is gaining strength, as more and more voters prefer the ease of having others pay for their basic needs. With the Kenyan promising citizenship to 12 million illegal Mexicans, the coming tide of taxation, liberal ideology, and Constitutional repression will turn many capitalists and constitutionalists toward violent suppression of liberalism. While this is what the Founders envisioned should happen (violent overthrow), should we look at a non-violent sucession instead? We could divide the country and ask those that prefer more government control over their lives to relocate to the new liberal America. Those of us that prefer a more capitalistic, free society could relocate to this America. The dividing line would have to be negotiated, but instead of the progression to war or capitulation on our side, this might at least tell the other side we are serious about our position. I think the problem inherent in this "plan" is that Marxism loves to tell others what to do and force it's will onto those that do not believe. The liberal side of the country would not go for this because they want control over all the country, and it is this "all or nothing" mindset that will lead to a shooting conflict. Would you support a secessionist movement, in light of 12 million new democrats and the fact that voters are now voting themselves money from the Treasury? FUCK. THAT. NOISE. If you want the US to turn INTO S/Central America, then go ahead & try that shit... Once the war is over, AND THERE WOULD BE WAR, both 'sides' would be a shadow of their former selves, and you'd have either dictatorship or failed states everywhere.... Rather than coming up with all manner of pie-in-the-sky theories as to how to destroy America, because you *THINK* that there is some absurd chance you could do what ALMOST EVERY new nation since 1789 has done, and replicate our sucess.... Accept that what we have is the best we are going to get, and work on fixing it peacefully.... And what the fuck happens when they won't listen and we've exhausted all peaceful means? Can you answer that? Are we supposed to just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well?" Sorry there sport, but I'm not interested in "settling for less' when it comes to my freedom. Full blown Secession is likely not the right answer but the Fed certainly needs to be put in it's place. Then you hop a plane... You don't destroy the nation that the rest of us have worked so hard to build, simply because you don't like the results of the last election.... If you want to secede, seceede yourself - sell all your shit and go, just like the whiny libs promised to do (but never did) when W beat their party in 00, 02, and 04. If you cannot win at the federal ballot box, you have no business imposing your views on others by force of arms... Listen carefully. I will NOT run out on my country. EVER. Party loyalty is secondary......my loyalty is to the constitution and BoR. Those documents are what makes our nation.....not any president or politician, therefore, they are to be defended at all costs. This isn't about the results of the election....I could care less if there is a D or an R in charge as long as they respect the constitution and BoR. This isn't about imposing my views, it's about the belief in defending what so many have died for. Breaking up the country is betraying both those documents. It's the same as running away - the only difference is that you are forcing people who do not want to see their country destroyed to come along for the ride.... |
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The US economy, our money, everything we have comes from the fact that we do NOT have revolutions & coups in the streets - we change power in an orderly fashion....
Then maybe we SHOULD have a revolution. Have you checked your 401k lately? It seems that somebody didn't get the memo that all that matters is an "orderly transition". That's bullshit, pure and simple. What matters is productivity and you don't get that with the government that we have which "redistributes/spreads around wealth" and promotes every manner of restriction on commerce. |
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And more whining about Mexicans....
Guess what... You could go back to any other time in US history when we experienced a major immigration wave, and hear the same shit, different day... Although I will give you this: Secession would fuck this place up so bad that no one would want to come here anymore... So if that is all you care about, I can see what your point is - break the US so bad that people from HERE start illegally immigrating to other countries... And not one answer. Just bullshit. Typical. Really, please explain how you make good republican (note small r) voters out of the worthless? How do you "educate" them......? You don't, it can't be done. We have shoveled more fucking trillions into education than can be counted and look what it has gotten us. It can't be fixed short of people going their separate ways. It's gotten us superpower status, an economic and political stability that is the envy of the world, and the highest level fo freedom and standard of living on the globe.... I'm sorry, but your 'new nation' wouldn't be worth living in... A place where power changes hands at gunpoint, where there is no respect for the rule of law, because when people lose an election they just say 'fuck this, I'm starting a war'... Gee, there can't be any places like that, can there? Oh yeah, that's right... THERE ARE... They're the places all these immigrants you're pissed about ARE COMING FROM... I wonder why? Do any of these places have ANY respect for freedom or individual rights? Oh fuck no! Gee, I wonder why? It has nothing to do with race... It has everything to do with a lack of rule-of-law, and a political climate where power changes hands through force.... These 'ignorant peasants' as you call them, have the common sense to leave a place like that and move somwhere like... The USA... I do not want to live to see the day when the USA is broken into a series of failed states like Mexico, and Americans are sneaking into other countries because ours was destroyed by a bunch of idiots who got tired of not getting their way & decided to wreck everything for everyone because of it.... And THAT is the inevitable result of secession/revolution here... |
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The US economy, our money, everything we have comes from the fact that we do NOT have revolutions & coups in the streets - we change power in an orderly fashion....
Then maybe we SHOULD have a revolution. Have you checked your 401k lately? It seems that somebody didn't get the memo that all that matters is an "orderly transition". That's bullshit, pure and simple. What matters is productivity and you don't get that with the government that we have which "redistributes/spreads around wealth" and promotes every manner of restriction on commerce. Check the rest of the world lately? The US is still all of those things... Our economy may be in the tank, but it's less in the tank than pretty much everywhere else... |