[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The problem called China (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/23/2009 7:18:35 AM EDT
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I was sitting in class today and our liberal fuck of a teacher (after talking about executions in Texas and "one person they missed") started talking about China. He basically said how China could have their way with the US like a catholic priest with a little boy in a confessional. I had always focused a lot of my attention on domestic issues with Obongo and all that shit as well as our policy in the Middle East, but once I actually started noticing all the shit going on with China and the huge threat they could potentially pose, how can we really break free of our dependence on them?
I'd say nuke the shit out of them and we'll deal with the cleanup aspect later, but Lord knows I'd get booted from here for racial comments for one, and I'd have every liberal commie bastard down my throat in a matter of seconds. This was a joke, quit paying attention to it In all seriousness though, with how closely our economies are intertwined how could we possibly break free of our dependence on them? With cheap labor being the huge appeal of moving everything over to China, is that course really reversible? Can we turn it around and become self sufficient to the point where if S were to HTF with China for any number of reasons, that our economy would not be totally tanked? It's rather concerning and I thought I'd get the opinion of all the great ARFCOM minds. Oh and I apologize to any catholic priests and little boys who were offended ETA-paying too much attention to the stupid shit I said instead of the serious points I was trying to ask about |
| The simple answer is do nothing. China will be eventually faced with the choice of further liberalization or economic stagnation. The rules that made communism fail haven't gone away. Even now the one advantage they had (cheap labor) is being usurped by even poorer countries. |
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The simple answer is do nothing. China will be eventually faced with the choice of further liberalization or economic stagnation. The rules that made communism fail haven't gone away. Even now the one advantage they had (cheap labor) is being usurped by even poorer countries. Economically China is quite free. Socially on the other hand. Communism died with Mao. Wasn't it Den Xiopeng who said "It is great to be wealthy." |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us???????????????
the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. |
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im a conservative so i say beware foreign entanglements.. as to nuking china.. sheese, one must ask why? but i will say that the focus on radical islam as the key threat to this country is misplaced. they certainly would love to destroy us.. they just dont have the means.. china on the other hand does have the ability to at least start WWIII and has interests that are directly in conflict with ours and its china and russia i think we should be focusing on and not so much islamic terrorists hiding in caves in the middle beast.. |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? DING!!! DING!!! DING!!! WINNER!!!! stop buying communist china products and we stop fueling they're war machine. |
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From what i have read and my encounters with Chinese nationalists on the internet they love this position they have over the U.S. And just how they bully and steal from their neighbors. When they know 100% that the U.S is at its weakest, they will do the same to us. When you read aggressive and insecure statements like the OPs. Just know that the chi com internet warriors are saying similar or even worse about the U.S.
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Alright well first of all, as a big disclaimer, the nuking comment was a gung ho joke so you can lighten up. I realize that will serve absolutely no purpose and it was not in the least bit meant seriously.
buck19, I agree with the point of returning manufacturing to the US. That's what I was trying to get at in a round about way, but how do we do that? With outsourcing (whether it be China or somewhere else in Asia) being so much cheaper than manufacturing here, how do we again compete with their prices besides the very few who buy American because "it's the right thing to do"? Business will continue to outsource their manufacturing as long as they are turning a larger profit, especially when the atmosphere here is shitty anyway. You can't get all of the American people to do what's good for the country and keep the jobs here, keep the manufacturing here. Hell, you can't even get a quarter of the American people to do that. So how do we break free of that? |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. |
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I was sitting in class today and our liberal fuck of a teacher (after talking about executions in Texas and "one person they missed") started talking about China. He basically said how China could have their way with the US like a catholic priest with a little boy in a confessional. I had always focused a lot of my attention on domestic issues with Obongo and all that shit as well as our policy in the Middle East, but once I actually started noticing all the shit going on with China and the huge threat they could potentially pose, how can we really break free of our dependence on them? I'd say nuke the shit out of them and we'll deal with the cleanup aspect later, but Lord knows I'd get booted from here for racial comments for one, and I'd have every liberal commie bastard down my throat in a matter of seconds. This was a joke, quit paying attention to it In all seriousness though, with how closely our economies are intertwined how could we possibly break free of our dependence on them? With cheap labor being the huge appeal of moving everything over to China, is that course really reversible? Can we turn it around and become self sufficient to the point where if S were to HTF with China for any number of reasons, that our economy would not be totally tanked? It's rather concerning and I thought I'd get the opinion of all the great ARFCOM minds. Oh and I apologize to any catholic priests and little boys who were offended ETA-paying too much attention to the stupid shit I said instead of the serious points I was trying to ask about I take it your professor is a former priest. It would be pure folly to take our eyes off Russia, China or Islamic Terrorists. The Islamic terrorists may not be able to defeat us but they can do much damage to overseas trade we will need to fight either of the other two. As long as we don't give the terrorists a safe haven to rearm, train and recruit they are the ones that can't accomplish their goals. I also have no illusions that Russia and/or China are helping them covertly otherwise they would have run out of arms, ammo and explosives a long time ago. Iran is just a go between with an agenda of their own. |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Smoot Hawley. |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. I agree with you, although I have not looked more closely at it before. So basically, since we can't make manufacturing cheaper here in the US, we regulate the American companies to make the manufacturing more expensive anywhere else? I have not done my research in this area as I said, which I need to do. I also want to examine NAFTA. I wish I would have researched this sooner... |
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4 2 1 That is the doom of China.   for me too.
Hey, you want manufacturing to return to the US? Start by lowering our standard of living. Second, get rid of a lot of the laws on the books regarding environmental, safety, etc. Third, change the tax code so that businesses aren't taxed so heavily. See, very easy. Now let's get back to living in 1940s conditions! |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. I agree with you, although I have not looked more closely at it before. So basically, since we can't make manufacturing cheaper here in the US, we regulate the American companies to make the manufacturing more expensive anywhere else? I have not done my research in this area as I said, which I need to do. I also want to examine NAFTA. I wish I would have researched this sooner... Do you know what percentage of the world's 'manufacturing product' is American? Guess without looking it up. |
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The simple answer is do nothing. China will be eventually faced with the choice of further liberalization or economic stagnation. The rules that made communism fail haven't gone away. Even now the one advantage they had (cheap labor) is being usurped by even poorer countries. Many economist say that china will be engulfed in civil unrest within 3 years. They're going to implode!!! |
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Want to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and make them cost competitive? FAIR TAX. Get rid of the huge tax burden on companies, and they will stay here. I began examining the Fair Tax around the time of the election and I would agree. I would say it would take more than just that, but it would definitely aid in the process. And the proposed tax rate for the Fair Tax is right around 23% correct? |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Not true, we are the worlds largest exporter of goods and services. We just import more than we export. Why do we need to do anything about china, they make crap toys that go in happy meals. As they become a wealty nation, the jobs will move somewhere else. Would you rather Americans have the jobs that stamp out CD ROMs or the jobs of writing the computer programs that go onto the CD ROMs? |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. I agree with you, although I have not looked more closely at it before. So basically, since we can't make manufacturing cheaper here in the US, we regulate the American companies to make the manufacturing more expensive anywhere else? I have not done my research in this area as I said, which I need to do. I also want to examine NAFTA. I wish I would have researched this sooner... Do you know what percentage of the world's 'manufacturing product' is American? Guess without looking it up. A very small percentage...? |
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Hey, you want manufacturing to return to the US? Start by lowering our standard of living. Second, get rid of a lot of the laws on the books regarding environmental, safety, etc. Third, change the tax code so that businesses aren't taxed so heavily. See, very easy. Now let's get back to living in 1940s conditions! More like 1920s. The 1940s and 50s were a unique situation where the U.S. had a lot of manufacturing capacity and basically no-one else did, due to the aftermath of World War 2. It was a "perfect storm" that will not happen again. |
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Chinese leadership has already stated they are willing to accept an 80% casualty rate in a nuke exchange. The surviving 20% is still 250 million people. that is why the government instituted that years ago.. they were going by simple numbers in a nuke exchange... they would win simply by having more numbers and China is being faced with a number of internal issues right now.. for one their male to female ratio right now is way unbalanced. the olympics brought to light how they cheat, and how they have a lack of civil freedoms in the country.. and more importantly.. they are becoming like us here in the US.. service driven gluttens more interested in material goods and how to show off their riches |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Not true, we are the worlds largest exporter of goods and services. We just import more than we export. Why do we need to do anything about china, they make crap toys that go in happy meals. As they become a wealty nation, the jobs will move somewhere else. Would you rather Americans have the jobs that stamp out CD ROMs or the jobs of writing the computer programs that go onto the CD ROMs? This is the same attitude that has been shoved down our throats by liberal educators for years. The problem with this paradigm, is that these high paying/high education jobs are not out there in the numbers to support our entire workforce. Further, not every individual is cut out mentally for such an endeavor. Sad but true. We're all wired differently. As far as tariffs go, I think we may have to consider them again. We boxed ourselves into a corner by granting favored nation trading status with China, along with signing NAFTA. We're competing with countries that not only "don't play by the rules", they have no rules. I think we can all agree that pouring toxic sludge into our waterways is a bad idea, as is wantonly polluting the air we breathe. The second and third world countries we're now competing against, do not share those same convictions, nor care about the health or well being of their inhabitants. Add this to the state instituted trade barriers set up in those countries, and you can see we have little chance. Barbie and Ken, who spend most weekends in the mall, could care less where their shiny new trinket comes from. Just as long as they have a steady, uninterrupted stream of trinkets to keep them happy. We cannot rely on the prudence of the consumer in the face of mass consumerism. Global free trading, without any restraints, is full of fail. If some of you can't see that by now, I'm not sure what would make it any more crystal clear. Konger |
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The simple answer is do nothing. China will be eventually faced with the choice of further liberalization or economic stagnation. The rules that made communism fail haven't gone away. Even now the one advantage they had (cheap labor) is being usurped by even poorer countries. This. |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Smoot Hawley. indeed buck19, read this: http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12798595 and get back to us. In Before PAEBR and his sig... 
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Not true, we are the worlds largest exporter of goods and services. We just import more than we export. Why do we need to do anything about china, they make crap toys that go in happy meals. As they become a wealty nation, the jobs will move somewhere else. Would you rather Americans have the jobs that stamp out CD ROMs or the jobs of writing the computer programs that go onto the CD ROMs? This is the same attitude that has been shoved down our throats by liberal educators for years. The problem with this paradigm, is that these high paying/high education jobs are not out there in the numbers to support our entire workforce. Further, not every individual is cut out mentally for such an endeavor. Sad but true. We're all wired differently. As far as tariffs go, I think we may have to consider them again. We boxed ourselves into a corner by granting favored nation trading status with China, along with signing NAFTA. We're competing with countries that not only "don't play by the rules", they have no rules. I think we can all agree that pouring toxic sludge into our waterways is a bad idea, as is wantonly polluting the air we breathe. The second and third world countries we're now competing against, do not share those same convictions, nor care about the health or well being of their inhabitants. Add this to the state instituted trade barriers set up in those countries, and you can see we have little chance. Barbie and Ken, who spend most weekends in the mall, could care less where their shiny new trinket comes from. Just as long as they have a steady, uninterrupted stream of trinkets to keep them happy. We cannot rely on the prudence of the consumer in the face of mass consumerism. Global free trading, without any restraints, is full of fail. If some of you can't see that by now, I'm not sure what would make it any more crystal clear. Konger Please share your analysis on how tariffs help to offset these things. |
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I am reading this thread and I see the SAME ideas OSAMA/OBAMA is throwing around. 
Are you guys serious? 1) China has a muslim extremist problem IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. They are fighting Al Qaeda in the western provinces. 2) For China to call in ALL of our debt that they hold would mean economic suicide for them. It would be MAD on an economic plane vs. nuclear plane. 3) Tariffs, protectionism will spark a trade war and will be condemning ALL of us to FURTHER economic turmoil and suffering. You want to see SHTF, then start a trade war. 4) OP, stay in school. 5) A floating of 15% of the Chinese currency value has already resulted in less foreign investment into China as well as companies actually pulling out. Such a minimal float with such a major change in foreign investment in China would point to issues within our own manufacturing system/tax structure. You can only use cheap labor as a scape goat for so long. It might be a part of the issue, but it's not as big as you think. 7) China is out "capitalism"-ing us on a global scale right now. It is OUR fault for not keeping up with the times and beating and abusing American companies until they finally have enough and leave this country. |
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snip With cheap labor being the huge appeal of moving everything over to China, is that course really reversible? snip To the OP's question here: Not really feasible. China is still coming up on the growth curve, they aren't mature yet, while we have been mature for quite a while. I heard an expert describe it as "China is where we were in the 1890's or so, and we are playing the role of Great Britain towards us at the time." |
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I was sitting in class today and our liberal fuck of a teacher (after talking about executions in Texas and "one person they missed") started talking about China. He basically said how China could have their way with the US like a catholic priest with a little boy in a confessional. I had always focused a lot of my attention on domestic issues with Obongo and all that shit as well as our policy in the Middle East, but once I actually started noticing all the shit going on with China and the huge threat they could potentially pose, how can we really break free of our dependence on them? I'd say nuke the shit out of them and we'll deal with the cleanup aspect later, but Lord knows I'd get booted from here for racial comments for one, and I'd have every liberal commie bastard down my throat in a matter of seconds. This was a joke, quit paying attention to it In all seriousness though, with how closely our economies are intertwined how could we possibly break free of our dependence on them? With cheap labor being the huge appeal of moving everything over to China, is that course really reversible? Can we turn it around and become self sufficient to the point where if S were to HTF with China for any number of reasons, that our economy would not be totally tanked? It's rather concerning and I thought I'd get the opinion of all the great ARFCOM minds. Oh and I apologize to any catholic priests and little boys who were offended ETA-paying too much attention to the stupid shit I said instead of the serious points I was trying to ask about China is dependent on the US for economic survival, in the same sense that a crack addict needs their rock.... They provide us with far more value than they get in return, but they have no choice unless they want to back-slide their national development... Their economy would tank long before ours... Remember: The great thing about cheap labor is that ANYONE can do it... If we have to cut off China's crack supply (no more low-skill MFG contracts) we can allways deal with other nations in S America, Africa, or Asia. They, OTOH, cannot just 'replace' our business - there is no alternate US-sized customer out there... |
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Quoted: No one who hasn't lived in China for at least a year knows even the most basic first things about the country. Yet, some of the slacker guys who've been in China "teaching english" for a decade probably couldn't tell you much about the country either... they're never awake during the day, and only sober half the time. 
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. I agree with you, although I have not looked more closely at it before. So basically, since we can't make manufacturing cheaper here in the US, we regulate the American companies to make the manufacturing more expensive anywhere else? I have not done my research in this area as I said, which I need to do. I also want to examine NAFTA. I wish I would have researched this sooner... Do you know what percentage of the world's 'manufacturing product' is American? Guess without looking it up. A very small percentage...? try again! |
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Every time you buy Chinese products, you're helping to finance the demise of our country and pay for their military. Look around, it's happening today. Try buying American. It's nearly impossible I do at least make an effort to buy an alternative, whenever possible. |
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I was sitting in class today and our liberal fuck of a teacher (after talking about executions in Texas and "one person they missed") started talking about China. He basically said how China could have their way with the US like a catholic priest with a little boy in a confessional. I had always focused a lot of my attention on domestic issues with Obongo and all that shit as well as our policy in the Middle East, but once I actually started noticing all the shit going on with China and the huge threat they could potentially pose, how can we really break free of our dependence on them? I'd say nuke the shit out of them and we'll deal with the cleanup aspect later, but Lord knows I'd get booted from here for racial comments for one, and I'd have every liberal commie bastard down my throat in a matter of seconds. This was a joke, quit paying attention to it In all seriousness though, with how closely our economies are intertwined how could we possibly break free of our dependence on them? With cheap labor being the huge appeal of moving everything over to China, is that course really reversible? Can we turn it around and become self sufficient to the point where if S were to HTF with China for any number of reasons, that our economy would not be totally tanked? It's rather concerning and I thought I'd get the opinion of all the great ARFCOM minds. Oh and I apologize to any catholic priests and little boys who were offended ETA-paying too much attention to the stupid shit I said instead of the serious points I was trying to ask about China is dependent on the US for economic survival, in the same sense that a crack addict needs their rock.... They provide us with far more value than they get in return, but they have no choice unless they want to back-slide their national development... Their economy would tank long before ours... Remember: The great thing about cheap labor is that ANYONE can do it... If we have to cut off China's crack supply (no more low-skill MFG contracts) we can allways deal with other nations in S America, Africa, or Asia. They, OTOH, cannot just 'replace' our business - there is no alternate US-sized customer out there... that was an intelligent post from you... im surprised. |
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the best way around china.... is to return manufacturing to the united states, and stop buying chinas products..... we buy most of their shit.. what do they buy from us??????????????? the easiest way around " tariffs", is to pass a law, stating that a us company, may relocate manufacturing to another country, but, if you import your product back to the us.... big tariffs are placed on it. that would at least return manufacturing jobs to us.. i believe thats the biggest problem with nafta.... we make a lot of shit in mexico, and lose american jobs to mexico, to manufacture things that are sent back to the united states. however, there are not very many us products being sold in mexico. nafta is great...... if you eventually want to reduce the united states way of life, while improving foreign countrys way of life. we can legislate american companies anyway we want to. fuck it, im all for putting tariffs back in place like we had in the 1970's. its not like the rest of the world really " buys american ". i have been to several foreign countries, and american products are not bought much, ESPECIALLY in poor countries .... win/win. id say the negatives are far outweighed by the positives...... there is a reason those tariffs were put in place..... to protect american jobs. Not true, we are the worlds largest exporter of goods and services. We just import more than we export. Why do we need to do anything about china, they make crap toys that go in happy meals. As they become a wealty nation, the jobs will move somewhere else. Would you rather Americans have the jobs that stamp out CD ROMs or the jobs of writing the computer programs that go onto the CD ROMs? This is the same attitude that has been shoved down our throats by liberal educators for years. The problem with this paradigm, is that these high paying/high education jobs are not out there in the numbers to support our entire workforce. Further, not every individual is cut out mentally for such an endeavor. Sad but true. We're all wired differently. As far as tariffs go, I think we may have to consider them again. We boxed ourselves into a corner by granting favored nation trading status with China, along with signing NAFTA. We're competing with countries that not only "don't play by the rules", they have no rules. I think we can all agree that pouring toxic sludge into our waterways is a bad idea, as is wantonly polluting the air we breathe. The second and third world countries we're now competing against, do not share those same convictions, nor care about the health or well being of their inhabitants. Add this to the state instituted trade barriers set up in those countries, and you can see we have little chance. Barbie and Ken, who spend most weekends in the mall, could care less where their shiny new trinket comes from. Just as long as they have a steady, uninterrupted stream of trinkets to keep them happy. We cannot rely on the prudence of the consumer in the face of mass consumerism. Global free trading, without any restraints, is full of fail. If some of you can't see that by now, I'm not sure what would make it any more crystal clear. Konger Please share your analysis on how tariffs help to offset these things. I think it's self explanatory and needs no explanation. Tariffs have always played a roll in American history and will continue to do so when needed. I think merely the threat of tariffs will bring the Chinese to the table and would hopefully motivate them to act in a more responsible manner when dealing with us. The Chinese can't afford to lose us as a trading partner, and they will take steps to prevent that from happening. Here's an article outlining some of the issues we're talking about. I don't agree with everything presented, but the numbers don't lie. http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/bp188/ Konger |
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The simple answer is do nothing. China will be eventually faced with the choice of further liberalization or economic stagnation. The rules that made communism fail haven't gone away. Even now the one advantage they had (cheap labor) is being usurped by even poorer countries. Economically China is quite free. Socially on the other hand. Communism died with Mao. Wasn't it Den Xiopeng who said "It is great to be wealthy." Communism didn't die with Mao. According to Marx, the road to Communism is a natural progression and WILL inevitably happen in a capitalist society. It takes time and moves in stages; - Revolution of the proletariat (working class steals from upper class. The Party takes over from here. Capitalism to Socialism) - Socialism (state control of industrial and commercial entities. Basically, the state owns everything and pockets all the money, setting up the transition to Communism) - Communist revolution ("From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"). Mao was an idealist and wanted to have the Communist society now, but according to Marx's definition of the process he rushed things. After Mao died China announced they would revert to Capitalism for another 100 years (as stated above, "it is great to be wealthy"). They intend to go back to Communism... |