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2/20/2009 7:43:52 AM EDT
I don't have a dog in this hunt so this has no effect on me. I'd just like to hear what those of you who do think about this.

The 4 day school week has been floated as a way to save the states a bunch of money. While this may be true it seems like this comes at the expense of working people. Parents where they both work either have to come up with a daycare solution or one of the parents will have to miss a day of work. I don't see how this is a good idea in any way. Our whole society is organized around a 5 day work week and now we're going to change a major component of it to something else. This seems like just another way to screw working families.
2/20/2009 7:53:38 AM EDT
[#1]
I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.
2/20/2009 8:11:57 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
I don't have a dog in this hunt so this has no effect on me. I'd just like to hear what those of you who do think about this.

The 4 day school week has been floated as a way to save the states a bunch of money. While this may be true it seems like this comes at the expense of working people. Parents where they both work either have to come up with a daycare solution or one of the parents will have to miss a day of work. I don't see how this is a good idea in any way. Our whole society is organized around a 5 day work week and now we're going to change a major component of it to something else. This seems like just another way to screw working families.


So in other words, school is just a babysitter?  You never once brought up the question about how it would affect the student's learning.  This is the problem with schools today,they are nothing but a babysitter.
2/20/2009 8:14:01 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
2/20/2009 8:23:10 AM EDT
[#4]
It's incredibly stupid.  Great way to further sink the economy too.

Parents both work 5 days a week. All of the sudden either one of them has to go to part time or quit their full time job entirely so they can pick up & watch their kids for that one day. OR they have to pay an extra couple of hundred $$ a month for extra daycare.
2/20/2009 8:28:23 AM EDT
[#5]
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It's incredibly stupid.  Great way to further sink the economy too.

Parents both work 5 days a week. All of the sudden either one of them has to go to part time or quit their full time job entirely so they can pick up & watch their kids for that one day. OR they have to pay an extra couple of hundred $$ a month for extra daycare.


Plus, there will be a significant number of households who will be unable/unwilling to pay for that daycare, so the government (via taxes from you and me) will step in and take care of the extra day for them.  Lose - Lose (again) for the average taxpayer and student.
2/20/2009 8:33:17 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I don't have a dog in this hunt so this has no effect on me. I'd just like to hear what those of you who do think about this.

The 4 day school week has been floated as a way to save the states a bunch of money. While this may be true it seems like this comes at the expense of working people. Parents where they both work either have to come up with a daycare solution or one of the parents will have to miss a day of work. I don't see how this is a good idea in any way. Our whole society is organized around a 5 day work week and now we're going to change a major component of it to something else. This seems like just another way to screw working families.


Yup - we pay the same and get less.  Sounds like the new America.

2/20/2009 8:35:41 AM EDT
[#7]
Yet with all this bullshit, people wonder out loud why I don't want to have kids.
2/20/2009 8:38:25 AM EDT
[#8]
It would save the districts money, but cost taxpayers and other levels of government.

And AeroE is correct.
2/20/2009 9:28:40 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.


This.
2/20/2009 9:34:55 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.


This is pretty much what Germany does.

2/20/2009 10:02:22 AM EDT
[#11]
In agreement with AreoE

But what you are describing in academic terms is a meritocracy.  This simply wouldn't do with our new administration.  Remember, they are bailing out irresponsible people left and right, what is to say that they wouldn't lower standards enough to simply allow everybody to have an undergraduate degree?  The governemt is devaluing everything, why not education as well?

I am seriously considering homeschooling, not only to spite the government, but to provide a better education for my daughters.
2/20/2009 10:04:04 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.


This is pretty much what Germany does.



And Germany has it right.
2/20/2009 10:05:59 AM EDT
[#13]
I only have classes 3 days a week... But then again I'm in college.


I'd like to see the whole K-12 education process revamped similar to what was stated a few posts above. Vast amounts of time and resources are spent on children who will never amount to anything. Might as well get them out earlier than later.
2/20/2009 12:14:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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I think the entire elementary, middle, and high school system needs to be replaced with one that gets the basics done by the end of 8th grade, and then puts kids into college level courses no later than the start of 9th grade.  If the kid ain't gonna be a "learned" professional, route them into a skilled trade, which holds an equal place with university degrees in my opinion.

It's not the paper, it's the character of the person that matters.

But everyone prefers high school years to be ones of fun and discovery, not preparation for Real Life.


This is pretty much what Germany does.



And Germany has it right.


They might be socialist, but their vocational education system is absolutely world leading.