Posted: 2/18/2009 2:56:43 PM EDT
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First, a disclaimer: I am NOT a conspiracy theorist or a 9/11 "truther" or anything like that.
With that said...who has seen this movie? Like I said, I really do NOT want to believe virtually anything that they discuss but they have some pretty intense evidence, namely the molten steel and WTC 7 stuff. I guess my biggest question is...why would the 9/11 Commission just ignore these things altogether? Against the movie, I find it difficult to believe that any "elite few" could permeate the hundreds of levels of government that they would have to convince to work for them to pull off something like that. I also doubt the Fed could be wielded by any "elite few" to curb the wealth of people. So, I think the basic premise of the movie is flawed. I saw the movie last night and basically have been racking my brain trying to wrap it around ANY portion of that film. |
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First, a disclaimer: I am NOT a conspiracy theorist or a 9/11 "truther" or anything like that. With that said...who has seen this movie? Like I said, I really do NOT want to believe virtually anything that they discuss but they have some pretty intense evidence, namely the molten steel and WTC 7 stuff. I guess my biggest question is...why would the 9/11 Commission just ignore these things altogether? Against the movie, I find it difficult to believe that any "elite few" could permeate the hundreds of levels of government that they would have to convince to work for them to pull off something like that. I also doubt the Fed could be wielded by any "elite few" to curb the wealth of people. So, I think the basic premise of the movie is flawed. I saw the movie last night and basically have been racking my brain trying to wrap it around ANY portion of that film. You mean the molten Aluminium?
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With that said...who has seen this movie? Like I said, I really do NOT want to believe virtually anything that they discuss but they have some pretty intense evidence, namely the molten steel and WTC 7 stuff. I think people fail to appreciate the magnitude of kinetic energy that was released well the twin towers fell. WTC 7 took a wallopping... |
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I agree it was a lot of energy...but they interviewed WTC designers that said the two towers were actually designed to withstand an impact of a major airliner. And, yes, I meant molten aluminum. the towers did withstand the impact of major airliners. they stood for hours. |
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Zeitgeist+Debunked
Complete tripe devoid of any truth, whatsoever. |
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What about the thermite and the fact that all the security systems was redone 6 months before 9/11 by a company that just happened to be owned by George Bush's youngest brother. You're a fucking moron, literally on par with the average Obama supporter. What thermite, imbecile? Also, if you would do any fucking research, you'ld understand about the security 'revamps'. |
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I agree it was a lot of energy...but they interviewed WTC designers that said the two towers were actually designed to withstand an impact of a major airliner. And, yes, I meant molten aluminum. The plane going through the tower stripped the foam like fire proofing. It was like firing #4 shot through a foam ice chest. The steel did NOT melt. It was weakened and saged. Just like how a black smith can bend iron rod without melting it. Quoted:
What about the thermite and the fact that all the security systems was redone 6 months before 9/11 by a company that just happened to be owned by George Bush's youngest brother. Why are the Toofers always low post non-members? Talk about idiot trolls. |
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Here is the Popular Science response to Rosie O'Donut and I guess to other knuckle heads that are "engineering" professionals.
http://www.nowpublic.com/rosie_odonnell_9_11_conspiracy_comments_popular_mechanics_responds http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html |
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Here's the abstract from Bazant's article. Troofers beware: the article contains actual science, which may contradict your bullshit. Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain the overall collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. However, it remains to be determined whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not. The video record available for the first few seconds of collapse is shown to agree with the motion history calculated from the differential equation of progressive collapse but, despite uncertain values of some parameters, it is totally out of range of the free fall hypothesis, on which these allegations rest. It is shown that the observed size range (0.01–0.1 mm) of the dust particles of pulverized concrete is consistent with the theory of comminution caused by impact, and that less than 10% of the total gravitational energy, converted to kinetic energy, sufficed to produce this dust (whereas, more than 150 t of TNT per tower would have to be installed, into many small holes drilled into concrete, to produce the same pulverization). The air ejected from the building by gravitational collapse must have attained, near the ground, the speed of almost 500 miles per hour (or 223 m/s, or 803 km/h) on average, and fluctuations must have reached the speed of sound. This explains the loud booms and wide spreading of pulverized concrete and other fragments, and shows that the lower margin of the dust cloud could not have coincided with the crushing front. The resisting upward forces due to pulverization and to ejection of air, dust, and solid fragments, neglected in previous studies, are indeed found to be negligible during the first few seconds of collapse but not insignificant near the end of crush-down. The calculated crush-down duration is found to match a logical interpretation of seismic record, while the free fall duration grossly disagrees with this record. ©2008 ASCE |
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I love how every few months some gullible mouth-breather joins 2007 and acts as if this movie has opened their eyes and "made them think." I'm convinced it is a DU/Paulbot conspiracy, and I'll be releasing an in-depth documentary about it shortly. I don't think considering the opposing view makes anybody gullible at all. In fact...it allows for a better-versed contrary argument. Like I stated in the OP, I don't believe anything in Zeitgeist, that doesn't mean some of the things they state won't make me think on another level about any number of events or scenarios they cover. Ultimately, I have a better formed personal opinion because I am aware of and understand the "troofer's" argument. I guess this makes me gullible
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Believe what you will but I would put nothing past this Government. Look back into history, when a Pres wants a war shit happens to get the people to back it.

