[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is Mexico collapsing? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/16/2009 1:42:25 PM EDT
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Just watching the news and last year Mexico had twice their normal murders, 6000 dead. Most of them were drug killings.
Phoenix, AZ now has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the world? And supposedly this is due to Mexican drug gangs? Why don't we have troops on the border, both state NGs and US Army? Why isn't this a bigger news story? Can anyone down in the border states fill us in more???? ETA: U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times Posted: 01/13/2009 03:49:34 PM MST EL PASO - Mexico is one of two countries that "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse," according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats. The command's "Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)" report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. "In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico. "The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone." The U.S. Joint Forces Command, based in Norfolk, Va., is one of the Defense Departments combat commands that includes members of the different military service branches, active and reserves, as well as civilian and contract employees. One of its key roles is to help transform the U.S. military's capabilities. In the foreword, Marine Gen. J.N. Mattis, the USJFC commander, said "Predictions about the future are always risky ... Regardless, if we do not try to forecast the future, there is no doubt that we will be caught off guard as we strive to protect this experiment in democracy that we call America." The report is one in a series focusing on Mexico's internal security problems, mostly stemming from drug violence and drug corruption. In recent weeks, the Department of Homeland Security and former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey issued similar alerts about Mexico. Despite such reports, El Pasoan Veronica Callaghan, a border business leader, said she keeps running into people in the region who "are in denial about what is happening in Mexico." Last week, Mexican President Felipe Calderon instructed his embassy and consular officials to promote a positive image of Mexico. The U.S. military report, which also analyzed economic situations in other countries, also noted that China has increased its influence in places where oil fields are present. |
According to the "Propaganda Machine", so is Cali, NJ, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, England, Canada; I guess soon the entire USA and the rest of the Globe....
What can WE believe anymore? WE are being set up for something. 
I know one thing is certain, another World War. Everyone is going to blame the USA's Governmental "Arrogance" for all of their Governmental Failures. I'd like to believe it won't be Nuclear, since "They" would want the natural resources, but Historically War=Economic Stimulus 
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This kind of stuff doesn't help.
Sun Feb 15, 10:09 pm
MEXICO CITY (Reuters) – The former head of Mexico's special organized crime bureau has been charged with selling information to one of the country's most powerful drug cartels, the attorney general's office said on Sunday. Noe Ramirez, who stepped down as chief of the SIEDO federal investigation unit in July last year, was detained in November for allegedly receiving $450,000 for passing secrets to the Sinaloa cartel, headed by Mexico's top drug fugitive Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman. Mexico's police force is riddled with corruption and the arrest of the country's top drug prosecutor has been the biggest catch so far in a sweeping probe to smoke out cops and government officials working for drug smugglers. Two other anti-drug agents were jailed in 2008 for taking bribes of up to $500,000 from the Beltran Leyva gang, which recently split from the northern Pacific Coast Sinaloa cartel. President Felipe Calderon's two-year-old crackdown on drug cartels has sparked turf wars between rival gangs that led to the deaths of around 6,000 people last year. |
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According to the "Propaganda Machine", so is Cali, NJ, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, England, Canada; I guess soon the entire USA and the rest of the Globe....
What can WE believe anymore? WE are being set up for something.
I know one thing is certain, another World War. Everyone is going to blame the USA's Governmental "Arrogance" for all of their Governmental Failures. I'd like to believe it won't be Nuclear, since "They" would want the natural resources, but Historically War=Economic Stimulus There is no propaganda with Mexico. It's very serious down there. Politicians are getting assassinated all the time. High ranking police are getting take out and left and right. There is even said to be some parts of the Mexican government living in the US for safety, while they are still "running" their country. There are border towns no bigger than say 60,000 residents and they have higher murder rates than places like Detroit and NOLA, and this is in many places. |
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The army in Mexico is scared of the drug dealers. Because they are better funded.  The army and police in Mexico are the drug dealers security, they get a cut of every narcotic crossing the border.No kidding, that place is HOPELESSLY corrupt on virtually every level. It's like the real life Gotham city out of the recent Batman movies. |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government.
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. I disagree.... There has been very little coverage on what is going down below the border on national news networks. You have to actually go looking for this stuff to find out what a real mess Mexico really is right now. |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. Well, do educate us professor..................... |
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Check out this interactive map that shows how much fun they're having down there.
http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/interactive-map HH |
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According to the "Propaganda Machine", so is Cali, NJ, Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, England, Canada; I guess soon the entire USA and the rest of the Globe....
What can WE believe anymore? WE are being set up for something.
I know one thing is certain, another World War. Everyone is going to blame the USA's Governmental "Arrogance" for all of their Governmental Failures. I'd like to believe it won't be Nuclear, since "They" would want the natural resources, but Historically War=Economic Stimulus There is no propaganda with Mexico. It's very serious down there. Politicians are getting assassinated all the time. High ranking police are getting take out and left and right. There is even said to be some parts of the Mexican government living in the US for safety, while they are still "running" their country. There are border towns no bigger than say 60,000 residents and they have higher murder rates than places like Detroit and NOLA, and this is in many places. I'm not trying to understate the situation. It's a Sad situation, that shows the Pimps don't give a damn about OUR sovereignty 
It just seems everywhere you turn is "fear", "scare", "the end", "panic". When does it end? Bring OUR Troops home and let them defend OUR Homeland, Problem solved. Why isn't being done?
Oh, I forgot they have to defend Iraq's and Afghan's Borders before OUR's
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By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER
February 11, 2009 In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said. California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked. Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said. In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade. An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said. To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn. In some cases, dozens of people at a time have been kidnapped. They are often illegal aliens whose captors then demand ransom from the victims' relatives in Mexico. |
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By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER February 11, 2009 In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said. California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked. Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said. In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade. An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said. To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn. In some cases, dozens of people at a time have been kidnapped. They are often illegal aliens whose captors then demand ransom from the victims' relatives in Mexico. The only good thing is, we the people in America have a means to defend ourselves. In Mexico, guns are basically TOTALLY banned. So, the only people who has guns are the bad guys. Leaving the public defenseless. On another note. I bet it won't be too long before Mexico starts to have refugees fleeing the cities and the Blue helmets will have to show up and set up camps for them. |
| in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due: Actor/Comedian David Spade donated an assload of money to i think Phoenix PD to assist with purchase of AR's for their officers who have been outgunned by Mexican Govt/Drug cartels operating in that city. Apparently he has a history of supporting the families of LEO's killed in the line of duty and other such causes. |
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By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER February 11, 2009 In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said. California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked. Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said. In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade. An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said. To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn. In some cases, dozens of people at a time have been kidnapped. They are often illegal aliens whose captors then demand ransom from the victims' relatives in Mexico. The only good thing is, we the people in America have a means to defend ourselves. In Mexico, guns are basically TOTALLY banned. So, the only people who has guns are the bad guys. Leaving the public defenseless. I thought they could buy stuff like semi-auto pistols and rifles as long as it's not in a "military" caliber? |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. I disagree.... There has been very little coverage on what is going down below the border on national news networks. You have to actually go looking for this stuff to find out what a real mess Mexico really is right now. You disagree? I don't think you know what I am talking about. I am talking about the stupid media getting ahold of results of strategy games made for research. The people that make and play out these games create any and all senarios imaginable even if they are insane and not possible. It's fairly normal for them to create games that simulate possible invasions from space aliens dude. They don't spend all their time or effort creating realistic senarios and their results shouldn't always be taken seriously. |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. I disagree.... There has been very little coverage on what is going down below the border on national news networks. You have to actually go looking for this stuff to find out what a real mess Mexico really is right now. You disagree? I don't think you know what I am talking about. I am talking about the stupid media getting ahold of results of strategy games made for research. The people that make and play out these games create any and all senarios imaginable even if they are insane and not possible. It's fairly normal for them to create games that simulate possible invasions from space aliens dude. They don't spend all their time or effort creating realistic senarios and their results shouldn't always be taken seriously. You got to be kidding me..... The Pentagon doesn't get on tv and talk about how the situation with an alien invasion really has them concerned or whenever they dream up shit. The Pentagon is NOT just fucking around on this issue. The are taking it very seriously, and have stated that the current government's collapse is very likely. It's not some stupid fucking war game. |
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By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER February 11, 2009 In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said. California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked. Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said. In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade. An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said. To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn. In some cases, dozens of people at a time have been kidnapped. They are often illegal aliens whose captors then demand ransom from the victims' relatives in Mexico. The only good thing is, we the people in America have a means to defend ourselves. In Mexico, guns are basically TOTALLY banned. So, the only people who has guns are the bad guys. Leaving the public defenseless. I thought they could buy stuff like semi-auto pistols and rifles as long as it's not in a "military" caliber? They have to register them, and the local military can inspect the arms, etc. It ain't easy getting anything better than a .22 rimfire or a muzzle loader in Mexico, legally, that is. |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. I disagree.... There has been very little coverage on what is going down below the border on national news networks. You have to actually go looking for this stuff to find out what a real mess Mexico really is right now. You disagree? I don't think you know what I am talking about. I am talking about the stupid media getting ahold of results of strategy games made for research. The people that make and play out these games create any and all senarios imaginable even if they are insane and not possible. It's fairly normal for them to create games that simulate possible invasions from space aliens dude. They don't spend all their time or effort creating realistic senarios and their results shouldn't always be taken seriously. You got to be kidding me..... The Pentagon doesn't get on tv and talk about how the situation with an alien invasion really has them concerned or whenever they dream up shit. The Pentagon is NOT just fucking around on this issue. The are taking it very seriously, and have stated that the current government's collapse is very likely. It's not some stupid fucking war game. I think he's pulling your chain. In any case, the Marines are saying they don't want their people traveling to Mexico, and I know some USN ships are saying the exact same thing . . . |
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By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and ASA ESLOCKER February 11, 2009 In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now. "We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said. California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked. Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said. In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade. An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said. To try and combat the crime wave, the Phoenix police have created a special unit to handle the kidnappings called the Home Invasion Task Force, which has pulled more than a dozen officers off other assignments. The crimes are occurring across the valley and in all types of neighborhoods, authorities warn. In some cases, dozens of people at a time have been kidnapped. They are often illegal aliens whose captors then demand ransom from the victims' relatives in Mexico. The only good thing is, we the people in America have a means to defend ourselves. In Mexico, guns are basically TOTALLY banned. So, the only people who has guns are the bad guys. Leaving the public defenseless. I thought they could buy stuff like semi-auto pistols and rifles as long as it's not in a "military" caliber? Gun ownership is legally "possible" in Mexico if one gets the proper permits from Police and military. Lots of hoops to jump through, and any oficial at any point can revoke your permit for any or no reason. OTOH, pistols are widely available on the black market, though ammo can be expensive and hard to find. |
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Mexico is not close to collapsing at all. What is happening is the media, being mostly retards with useless liberal arts degrees, are reporting on what amounts to a freaking board game that was made and played out by the US government. They have no idea what the hell they are reporting about. They only noticed the shock value and are reporting on that because they all have ADD and don't know jack. If they knew anything they wouldn't be reporting on the results of games that are basicly strategic games of Dungeons and Dragons made and designed by the US government. I disagree.... There has been very little coverage on what is going down below the border on national news networks. You have to actually go looking for this stuff to find out what a real mess Mexico really is right now. You disagree? I don't think you know what I am talking about. I am talking about the stupid media getting ahold of results of strategy games made for research. The people that make and play out these games create any and all senarios imaginable even if they are insane and not possible. It's fairly normal for them to create games that simulate possible invasions from space aliens dude. They don't spend all their time or effort creating realistic senarios and their results shouldn't always be taken seriously. You got to be kidding me..... The Pentagon doesn't get on tv and talk about how the situation with an alien invasion really has them concerned or whenever they dream up shit. The Pentagon is NOT just fucking around on this issue. The are taking it very seriously, and have stated that the current government's collapse is very likely. It's not some stupid fucking war game. Tekka is right. January 19, 2009: The internet has been rife with reports that US Joint Forces Command (JFCOM) is predicting the collapse of Mexico. The root of this story lies in a study produced by JFCOM entitled; The Joint Operating Environment (JOE). The report appeared in November 2008, and was intended for use in "long range planning guidance." It was not meant to predict anything. Media sensationalists latched on to the comments about "rapid collapse" scenarios in the JFCOM speculative study and totally missed the point that this was a "what if?" scenario for planning purposes, not a prediction. JFCOM's long-range planners thought Pakistan and Mexico were "worst cases" of rapid collapse. Okay, this is fodder for wargaming and long-range planning excursions. No doubt a Mexican collapse would have huge effects on the US. However, the direct comparison to Pakistan was a huge stretch. For numerous reasons we will get to in a moment –– though we were glad to see JFCOM discussing Mexico and its complex security challenges.
Mexico is a huge security concern for the US, but that isn't a new phenomenon. We've been covering Mexico since 1999 and have covered the Cartel War (our original name, by the way) since December 2006 when the Mexican government decided to treat the cartel threat as the serious national threat it is. But Mexico is not Pakistan. It is not collapsing. It is not a "near failed state." Mexico is a threatened state, but the country has political will to confront the threats posed by violent drug cartels and its own legacy of corrupt politics. Even accounting for Chiapas (Maya land) and numerous wannabe separatists, Mexico also has money, education, and a comparative political-social coherence the entirety of South and Central Asia should envy. Meanwhile, there are economic issues. From the Mexican perspective, NAFTA has been a means of "modernizing" the Mexican economy by evolution rather than revolution. The government, albeit slowly, has used NAFTA as a tool for streamlining the economy and reducing corruption. The government is directing a complex war that includes judicial and legal reformation ? dead serious counter-corruption drives that have put senior officials in jail. No, bliss is not around the corner, but this is a real path to real change. GEN Barry McCaffrey's recent report to the West Point social sciences department on Mexico (memo dated December 29, 2008) makes the point about political will in Mexico is very explicit, "Now is the time during the opening months of a new US Administration to jointly commit to a fully resourced major partnership as political equals of the Mexican government. We must jointly and respectfully cooperate to address the broad challenges our two nations face. Specifically, we must support the Government of Mexico's efforts to confront the ultra violent drug cartels. We must do so in ways that are acceptable to the Mexican polity and that take into account Mexican sensitivities to sovereignty. The United States Government cannot impose a solution. The political will is present in Mexico to make the tough decisions that are required to confront a severe menace to the rule of law and the authority of the Mexican state?" McCaffrey's report also noted: "President Calderon has committed his government to the "Limpiemos Mexico" campaign to "clean up Mexico". This is not rhetoric. They have energized their departments of Social Development, Public Education, and Health to be integral parts of this campaign. Finally, there is a clear understanding that this is an eight-year campaign-not a short-term surge?" The former SOUTHCOM commander and US drug czar sees the problem but sees what Calderon and his government are doing. ––Austin Bay |
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If its not collapsing , it certainly is getting the shit squeezed out of it and the shit is squirting over our border. This. And should that shit happen to hit the fan, it is going to get spattered in all of our faces. Does anyone seriously think we can ever straighten out all the corruption in Mexico if we were called upon to send in troops? |
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It's beginning to sound like the US is going to send troops in to Mexico to help out with the violence.... The invasion of northern Mexico in the next few years is hghly probable. Some high profile political figures wrote about it in a book called Future War, back in the early 90s. I believe Henry Kissinger was a co-auther. |
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Just watching the news and last year Mexico had twice their normal murders, 6000 dead. Most of them were drug killings.
Phoenix, AZ now has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the world? And supposedly this is due to Mexican drug gangs? Why don't we have troops on the border, both state NGs and US Army? Why isn't this a bigger news story? Can anyone down in the border states fill us in more???? NAFTA and our government's desire to make a North American Union. 
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| If there were a silver lining from this its that the US could annex Mexico once and for all. Then the border situation is narrowed down to El Salvador, industry could be moved down there versus going to Asia, standards of living could be brought up to western levels and more |
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If there were a silver lining from this its that the US could annex Mexico once and for all. Then the border situation is narrowed down to El Salvador, industry could be moved down there versus going to Asia, standards of living could be brought up to western levels and more I'd actually support this ***IF*** the former Mexico was annexed as a state (or several states) within the United States. The people there get representation but they also get taxed and must obey the Constitution. I do ***NOT*** support a bastardization of sovereignty under the guise of a North American Union like the Europeon Union. |