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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:03:45 AM EDT
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How are you shooting with 27ga 1/2in needles?
I draw with an 18ga and shoot with a 25ga x 1.5in in either ass cheek. Takes about 1 minute out of the 25ga needle to get my dose. My rx is 200mg every 10 days but I shoot every 14 days (I have a little surplus...) How, how much and where are you dosing with the 27ga? I used to do a 25ga x 1 in the top of my thigh but felt like I was hitting too many nerves or something. Shooting in the ass cheek has been better but every now and then after pulling the needle out will get 2-3 drops of blood. Any advice greatly appreciated. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:05:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin-Kase: A couple of thoughts - Your salt isn't too high, your carb intake is the culprit. Actually it's the culprit in most if not all testosterone issues. It will cause disagreement, but almost every man with low T has insulin resistance/metabolic syndrome, whether they are fat or skinny, the initial cause of low T is the carbohydrate rich SAD diet. Low testosterone wasn't even a thing 50 years ago when men ate like men, meaning meat, eggs, bacon - basically protein heavy higher fat diets. Carb heavy diets are killing us slowly. Boner problems are one of the first signs after the expanding waist line. Then high BP, then it gets worse as the blood sugar gets higher and higher, eventually you end up with metabolic syndrome. BTW - Conventional medical wisdom is wrong on the lean protein with lots of fruits and veggies being the cure for metabolic syndrome. If you go low carb, you'll lose about 10 pounds of water in the first week or two, almost everyone will also see a drop in blood pressure and you may actually need MORE salt. I eat about 5-6 grams minimum of sodium daily and my BP was 118/80 this morning after 3 cups of coffee when I donated a pint of blood. I'd have been 150ish over mid 90s 2 years ago on the standard american low salt "healthy" diet. Penile desensitization via porn is a myth. If your hormones and body chemistry are where they need to be, you'll bust a nut on command. The problem is crappy diet, poor sleep, lack of exercise and general life stress. If you could desensitize a penis with porn I would have proven it in my high school years when I couldn't get laid in a morgue. Abstaining from porn can work, but it is the same principle that not eating increases appetite, not a real fix. Get your diet, hormones and lifestyle right then you will see better results than abstaining from porn. I am still leaning towards sodium intake since I have been consuming less than 80 grams of carbohydrates for several months. The complex carbs I do eat are plain rolled oats and brown rice. That's it other than fibrous carbs such as broccoli, cauliflower, and cucumbers. Regarding insulin resistance, I was initially tested for that (Quest Labs) and the prescribing physician stated that I am actually in the perfect range, so I don't think this is a factor. As far as my sex drive, I took yesterday off from everything and am jonesing to get on the web to take care of business, but I'm going to follow my friend suggestion for a few weeks just to see if it helps. I still think he's on to something because I can beat it like it owes me money twice a day, every day, but when it comes to the wife of 24 years the desire just isn't there. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:16:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walther1978:
How are you shooting with 27ga 1/2in needles? I draw with an 18ga and shoot with a 25ga x 1.5in in either ass cheek. Takes about 1 minute out of the 25ga needle to get my dose. My rx is 200mg every 10 days but I shoot every 14 days (I have a little surplus...) How, how much and where are you dosing with the 27ga? I used to do a 25ga x 1 in the top of my thigh but felt like I was hitting too many nerves or something. Shooting in the ass cheek has been better but every now and then after pulling the needle out will get 2-3 drops of blood. Any advice greatly appreciated. Who told you to do this???? After you respond, I'll be happy to repeat what has been explained here so often. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:32:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Holy crap! Who told you to do this???? After you respond, I'll be happy to repeat what has been explained here so often. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By walther1978:
How are you shooting with 27ga 1/2in needles? I draw with an 18ga and shoot with a 25ga x 1.5in in either ass cheek. Takes about 1 minute out of the 25ga needle to get my dose. My rx is 200mg every 10 days but I shoot every 14 days (I have a little surplus...) How, how much and where are you dosing with the 27ga? I used to do a 25ga x 1 in the top of my thigh but felt like I was hitting too many nerves or something. Shooting in the ass cheek has been better but every now and then after pulling the needle out will get 2-3 drops of blood. Any advice greatly appreciated. Who told you to do this???? After you respond, I'll be happy to repeat what has been explained here so often. Walther, go online and buy a box of .3cc 30ga 5/16" insulin syringes and pin .1ml/20mg every day anyplace you've got enough fat to put the needle into it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:20:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luvthemtorts: Regarding insulin resistance, I was initially tested for that (Quest Labs) and the prescribing physician stated that I am actually in the perfect range, so I don't think this is a factor. Just because your labs are in range, does not mean that is where you want them to be in the reference range. The reference range is just where 95% of people taking that test land. That includes healthy and unhealthy. I had 4 of the 5 symptoms of metabolic syndrome, large belly, low HDL, high blood pressure, and high triglycerides, but I didn't have high blood sugar on the SA diet. So I din't look like I was insulin resistant at all, but I promise you I was and still am. I have to keep my carbs less than 20 per day or I hold water. You have at least one of the symptoms, high BP (and IMO low T should be an automatic indicator of metabolic syndrome) I'll bet others as well. Perhaps more frequent testosterone dosing will keep your estrogen in check and lower the fluid retention causing your BP, perhaps an AI will help, but just keep an open mind that not everything your doctor tells you is best for you. Same for what you read in this thread (including my posts) do your own research. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:48:51 AM EDT
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Speaking of research, I thought at one time several of the "regulars" in this thread were doing some research on various peptides to stimulate growth hormone in addition to their low T treatment. Where is the best place to order research peptides like GHRP-2/6, MK-677, Sermorelin, etc? I'd like to conduct some organized research but don't want to just order stuff off the internet and assume it's all good. Any recommendations? (Either here or IM).
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:10:46 AM EDT
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I just started my 7th week of test injections. I am on .25ml HCG twice a week and .5ml Test C twice a week. I am noticing about a 1/3 size reduction in my testicles. Is this normal?
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TN, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:16:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K2QB3: His Dr. of course, the same thing mine wanted me to do, it's still the protocol in the books. Walther, go online and buy a box of .3cc 30ga 5/16" insulin syringes and pin .1ml/20mg every day anyplace you've got enough fat to put the needle into it. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:41:49 PM EDT
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ok so what is the best over the counter stuff today??
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:15:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myhatinthering:
ok so what is the best over the counter stuff today?? They hand it over the counter when you call in the script. |
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RI, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CompSyn:
***IMPORTANT!! Please read this post completely and watch the 3-minute video at the end*** Subject: Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) How Estrogen mimicking EDCs affect our bodies testosterone: 1) Lowers Total Testosterone 2) Lowers Free Testosterone 3) Blocks the binding of testosterone to testosterone receptors According to the Endocrine Society, there are currently an estimated 1000-plus EDCs of the 85,000 known man-made chemicals. - Cited HERE Below is a current list of the Top 10 "Estrogen" Mimicking EDCs to avoid whenever possible:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfAF66JzFEI'm with Justin on this one. Eat like a man in the wild. Lots of red meat and fats. Get fit and stay active. Stop the sugar addiction. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wingnut116ACW:
Just started following this thread. Two years ago I got a physical and my total testosterone was 349 with 59 free. My doc says 'it is in the normal range'. So after losing some weight and getting fitter over the past year I am getting it checked again. I found a doc that should be able to do a bit more analysis than 'its in the normal range'. The only issue I'm seeing potentially is that the doc is a DO and particularly favors bioidentical TRT. Any input on those in lieu of traditional synthetic hormones "There is no rationale for the routine prescribing of unregulated, untested, and potentially harmful custom-compounded bioidentical HTs." |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:51:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: K2QB3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HelloMyNameIs: You do everyday? 15-20mg/day SQ should really be the standard starting point IMO, and then adjust to get your E2 in range and your BP/HCT/sexual function/joint pain on point, without an AI. If you can't keep your E2 and test in range without an AI you need to lose weight/fix your diet. HCG is good too once you've got a nice solid read on your test demand but it's unlikely his GP will write for it if they're writing for 200mg every 10 days or two weeks, that's the by-the-book, make sure I don't get a malpractice suit, 1980's protocol for doctors who haven't actually looked into the subject. If you can get a script to self inject and give that Dr. good labs you're golden. Not a Dr, not medical advice, etc. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:19:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin-Kase:
Penile desensitization via porn is a myth. Luvthemtorts stated: "In the past two weeks I've noticed I can still perform while watching porn, but simply couldn't maintain an erection with the wife unless she performed oral sex (oddly enough, that is the type of videos I honed in on).According to my friend, he says there is a possibly that I have basically "desensitized" myself to realistic sexual interactions with my wife and suggested I abstain from looking at porn or masturbating for a month to see if this resets my normal desires. I know it may sound far fetched, however I've found some information on the web that seems to jive with his theory." Here is a link to a good book on the subject. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By corwin1968:
The desensitization occurs in the brain, not the penis. It's a well known psychological concept that is often used to treat anxiety and phobias. Luvthemtorts stated: "In the past two weeks I've noticed I can still perform while watching porn, but simply couldn't maintain an erection with the wife unless she performed oral sex (oddly enough, that is the type of videos I honed in on).According to my friend, he says there is a possibly that I have basically "desensitized" myself to realistic sexual interactions with my wife and suggested I abstain from looking at porn or masturbating for a month to see if this resets my normal desires. I know it may sound far fetched, however I've found some information on the web that seems to jive with his theory." Here is a link to a good book on the subject. Give up food for a week and hamburger tastes awesome. But your brain did not change. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:56:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handblown:
Pretty much everything. Good luck with that. I'm with Justin on this one. Eat like a man in the wild. Lots of red meat and fats. Get fit and stay active. Stop the sugar addiction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handblown:
Originally Posted By CompSyn:
***IMPORTANT!! Please read this post completely and watch the 3-minute video at the end*** Subject: Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) How Estrogen mimicking EDCs affect our bodies testosterone: 1) Lowers Total Testosterone 2) Lowers Free Testosterone 3) Blocks the binding of testosterone to testosterone receptors According to the Endocrine Society, there are currently an estimated 1000-plus EDCs of the 85,000 known man-made chemicals. - Cited HERE Below is a current list of the Top 10 "Estrogen" Mimicking EDCs to avoid whenever possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfAF66JzFEI'm with Justin on this one. Eat like a man in the wild. Lots of red meat and fats. Get fit and stay active. Stop the sugar addiction. For example, it's been stated that the two hardest hitters for exposure is (1) Drinking Water, and (2) Personal Care Products. Start by securing those two first and then over time consider the elimination of the others. Don't think it all has to be done all at once. In my opinion, a comprehensive approach to TRT would include proper diet, exercise as well as awareness and reduction of exposure to Estrogenic Chemicals. And specifically, if you have children or young adults under your roof, protect them from exposures. Perhaps their outcomes in the future will be different than ours. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:46:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker:
Speaking of research, I thought at one time several of the "regulars" in this thread were doing some research on various peptides to stimulate growth hormone in addition to their low T treatment. Where is the best place to order research peptides like GHRP-2/6, MK-677, Sermorelin, etc? I'd like to conduct some organized research but don't want to just order stuff off the internet and assume it's all good. Any recommendations? (Either here or IM). This said, it may only be like the snake oil -stabil_izers- folks put in their gasoline, then say their lawnmower started. See the Survival Forum. 
Source is doc, but is online, for research [non-human, purposes]. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:50:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K2QB3: Every day or every other day. Every day is easier to keep track of. 15-20mg/day SQ should really be the standard starting point IMO, and then adjust to get your E2 in range and your BP/HCT/sexual function/joint pain on point, without an AI. If you can't keep your E2 and test in range without an AI you need to lose weight/fix your diet. HCG is good too once you've got a nice solid read on your test demand but it's unlikely his GP will write for it if they're writing for 200mg every 10 days or two weeks, that's the by-the-book, make sure I don't get a malpractice suit, 1980's protocol for doctors who haven't actually looked into the subject. If you can get a script to self inject and give that Dr. good labs you're golden. Not a Dr, not medical advice, etc. Sub-Q. None of the crazy protocols so often posted. I established my particular protocol and advised my docs, with no issues. One at least may have adopted it in some fashion. A small dose of Arimidex occasionally. Getting ready for stem cell therapy to see what happens. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 10:52:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CompSyn: It does seem overwhelming at first sight but in reality it's not too hard to reduce exposure to Estrogenic Chemicals. Reduction is better than doing nothing at all. For example, it's been stated that the two hardest hitters for exposure is (1) Drinking Water, and (2) Personal Care Products. Start by securing those two first and then over time consider the elimination of the others. Don't think it all has to be done all at once. In my opinion, a comprehensive approach to TRT would include proper diet, exercise as well as awareness and reduction of exposure to Estrogenic Chemicals. And specifically, if you have children or young adults under your roof, protect them from exposures. Perhaps their outcomes in the future will be different than ours. No more kidney stones since then, sort of miss the pain, since as a pilot, I had to tough them out. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:09:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K2QB3: Every day or every other day. Every day is easier to keep track of. 15-20mg/day SQ should really be the standard starting point IMO, and then adjust to get your E2 in range and your BP/HCT/sexual function/joint pain on point, without an AI. If you can't keep your E2 and test in range without an AI you need to lose weight/fix your diet. HCG is good too once you've got a nice solid read on your test demand but it's unlikely his GP will write for it if they're writing for 200mg every 10 days or two weeks, that's the by-the-book, make sure I don't get a malpractice suit, 1980's protocol for doctors who haven't actually looked into the subject. If you can get a script to self inject and give that Dr. good labs you're golden. Not a Dr, not medical advice, etc. LOL! |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:29:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: K2QB3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Every FOUR days! LOL! Arimadex and I don't get along. YMMV ETA- Your protocol actually makes a lot of sense with the HCG in the mix, I know HCG doesn't work in small regular doses and it probably smooths things out. On test only though there is a difference, at least for some of us. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/30/2019 8:38:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Test Cyp. They hand it over the counter when you call in the script. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By myhatinthering:
ok so what is the best over the counter stuff today?? They hand it over the counter when you call in the script. |
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Posted: 9/30/2019 9:49:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myhatinthering:
I'll check it out but was looking for something I don't need to go through doctor for. appreciate it however 1)Do blood work on your own through Private MD labs 2)take to a doctor who does HRT 3)have them write a script 4)start feeling better within a week. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2019 6:05:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: There is no such thing and everything that "increases male hormone levels and primes you to be ready whenever for that special lady" is all snake oil. 1)Do blood work on your own through Private MD labs 2)take to a doctor who does HRT 3)have them write a script 4)start feeling better within a week. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2019 11:33:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Luvthemtorts]
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Update on my blood pressure situation.
I'm over 48 hours into the low sodium diet and it seems to be working. The first night I collected and weighed all urine output and was stunned to find that I passed almost 11 pounds of fluid in that short timeframe. I noticed the blood pressure readings started improving yesterday and my latest three readings are all below 125/76. I imagine if I followed the protocol of sitting for 5 minutes before taking the first measurement it would reflect an even lower score. I'm quite pleased with these preliminary results and this experience has taught me to start wth the basics before resorting to changes in dosage or timing of dosage. |
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Posted: 10/2/2019 8:42:24 PM EDT
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Got my test results back today. In the past two years, I've shed 20 lbs, put on a lot of muscle mass, and quit drinking. My total testosterone dropped 3 points, down to 346. My free testosterone was 6.2 and normal values for that test are 8.7-25.1 pg/mL. Low vitamin D and low MCHC. Everything else is normal.
Now I can see why I've been seeing some of the symptoms I've casually explained away or otherwise rationalized. |
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Posted: 10/2/2019 9:54:10 PM EDT
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Has anyone here ever had their blood potassium level go up? My latest metabolic panel showed a potassium blood level of 5.4 which is just a hair above reference range. Used to be ~4.5 a few months ago. "Mild Hyperkalemia"
I also started exercising and doing Keto. |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 1:30:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glockO]
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Went to the Endo today, said test serum at 242 in normal?
My Ferritin levels are high, and I told him I read a study that they were inversely correlated, showed him one article I found. He didn't seem impressed. My symptoms are caused by one of these: 1) Hemochromatosis 2) Fatty liver 3) Pituitary Gland 4) Sleep Apnea He's worried testosterone will be a quick fix. I'm really frustrated...lol Anyone experience similar situation? eta https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5065401/ |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 1:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Went to the Endo today, said test serum at 242 in normal? My Ferritin levels are high, and I told him I read a study that they were inversely correlated, showed him one article I found. He didn't seem impressed. My symptoms are caused by one of these: 1) Hemochromatosis Donate blood every couple of months 2) Fatty liver show scientific proof of this 3) Pituitary Gland possible but what is going to fix it if it is? 4) Sleep Apnea some of the best in shape athletes have OSA. Test might or might not cause it He's worried testosterone will be a quick fix. I'm really frustrated...lol Anyone experience similar situation? eta https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5065401/ |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 1:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By glockO:
Went to the Endo today, said test serum at 242 in normal? My Ferritin levels are high, and I told him I read a study that they were inversely correlated, showed him one article I found. He didn't seem impressed. My symptoms are caused by one of these: 1) Hemochromatosis Donate blood every couple of months 2) Fatty liver show scientific proof of this 3) Pituitary Gland possible but what is going to fix it if it is? 4) Sleep Apnea some of the best in shape athletes have OSA. Test might or might not cause it He's worried testosterone will be a quick fix. I'm really frustrated...lol Anyone experience similar situation? eta https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5065401/ |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 1:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Is 242 a normal range? |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 1:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
If you're in your mid 70s sure... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By glockO:
Is 242 a normal range? |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 2:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 2:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
You have another doctor who just has a piece of paper on the wall. He is worthless for your condition so find another one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 2:09:53 PM EDT
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I got my blood drawn for the first time after starting TRT
My SHBG is the same(high), total t went up by 100 and my free T went from a 4.72 to a 5.94. Doc says he wants that free T number up to 15. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2019 3:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s "Our analysis of the combined data from 13 studies shows that TT levels do not decline after age 40 years in the average case." "Our model is derived from data from multiple sources of the measurement of TT in over 10,000 healthy males aged between 3 and 101 years." Here is a link to my earlier post on Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) -> LINK |
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Posted: 10/3/2019 4:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote History Originally Posted By CompSyn:
Here's a study that shows increasing testosterone variance with age but no decline after 40... https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0109346 So why is it that millions of men need doctor prescribed testosterone today? It may be that's not related to aging but rather our exposure to EDCs. No really! Think about how low testosterone is showing up in younger men in their 30s and even 20s? Think about how testosterone levels and sperm counts are half of what they used to be in past. It's an interesting concept to consider. Here is a link to my earlier post on Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) -> LINK Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CompSyn:
Originally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s "Our analysis of the combined data from 13 studies shows that TT levels do not decline after age 40 years in the average case." "Our model is derived from data from multiple sources of the measurement of TT in over 10,000 healthy males aged between 3 and 101 years." Here is a link to my earlier post on Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) -> LINK Chemicals, additives, etc have caused numerous issues in us, tough to argue that point. Interesting info.
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Posted: 10/3/2019 5:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
At this point, I just want to feel "normal". Chemicals, additives, etc have caused numerous issues in us, tough to argue that point. Interesting info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Originally Posted By CompSyn:
Originally Posted By glockO:
Mid 40s "Our analysis of the combined data from 13 studies shows that TT levels do not decline after age 40 years in the average case." "Our model is derived from data from multiple sources of the measurement of TT in over 10,000 healthy males aged between 3 and 101 years." Here is a link to my earlier post on Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDC) -> LINK Chemicals, additives, etc have caused numerous issues in us, tough to argue that point. Interesting info. I recommend spending some time doing your own research. I mean, read some books from some different authors. Weigh the information therein. See the common trends and what makes the most sense to you. Become your own advocate. A lot of medical "professionals" have no clue when it comes to testosterone or hormone therapy in general. Be extra mindful of Bro-Science on the internet. There's some good information out there and some that belongs in the dumpster can. Good luck! |
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Posted: 10/4/2019 3:03:25 PM EDT
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Labs after two months of TRT(handwritten parts are i total lab result numbers)
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Posted: 10/4/2019 3:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
Labs after two months of TRT(handwritten parts are i total lab result numbers)https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261841/93CF13F8-2A97-48C1-B7A4-D867F5E9702A_jpeg-1112338.JPG |
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Posted: 10/4/2019 4:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
Labs after two months of TRT(handwritten parts are i total lab result numbers)https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261841/93CF13F8-2A97-48C1-B7A4-D867F5E9702A_jpeg-1112338.JPG |
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Posted: 10/4/2019 4:39:56 PM EDT
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I'm about to do the DEFY thing. My physical paperwork is done, just have to get them going to get the labs ordered.
It looks like I will have to buy my meds right from them (some compounding source) because I am outside FL. Is there another choice that would give me freedom to get my meds locally, and price shop? |
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Posted: 10/4/2019 5:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225:
What's your trt protocol? 456 is still really low, and your e2 is all but non existant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225:
Originally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
Labs after two months of TRT(handwritten parts are i total lab result numbers)https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261841/93CF13F8-2A97-48C1-B7A4-D867F5E9702A_jpeg-1112338.JPG A low test level, even if a trough level, and not having an ultrasensitive E2 lab, tells me the doctor in charge is not up to speed. |
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Posted: 10/4/2019 8:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xmission:
I'm about to do the DEFY thing. My physical paperwork is done, just have to get them going to get the labs ordered. It looks like I will have to buy my meds right from them (some compounding source) because I am outside FL. Is there another choice that would give me freedom to get my meds locally, and price shop? |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 1:25:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zip196: They have the option of call in Rx for $30. Maybe covers T. Ask them |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 9:17:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: booxr]
[#46]
Test C 100mg twice a week
HCG 250IU twice a week AI .5mg twice a week, but taking as needed Test results thru LabCorp before starting TRT Total T = 591 ng/dl 264 - 916 Free T = 10.1 pg/mL 8.7 - 25.1 Estradiol = 13.8 pg/mL 7.6 - 42.6 SHBG = 66.5 nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 LH = 4.8 mIU/L 1.7 - 8.6 FSH = 3.8 mIU/L 1.5 - 12.4 Test results 7 weeks in thru Quest, 22 hrs before next injection and 2 weeks without taking AI Total T = 1488 ng/dL 250 - 1100 Estradiol = 65 pg/mL LH = .2 mIU/mL 1.5 - 9.3 FSH = .7 mIU/mL 1.6 - 8.0 Switched to EOD injections starting today. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 10:33:57 AM EDT
[#47]
Have an appointment schedule with new Doc.
They said they recommend the Testosterone Pellets. I'm very curious about this product. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:01:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockO:
Have an appointment schedule with new Doc. They said they recommend the Testosterone Pellets. I'm very curious about this product. Also more risk of infection and much harder to fine tune. There is some convenience for the patient, but ONLY if the pellets achieve the testosterone level you need. I wouldn't do it, but I understand why some people find the method attractive, and why doctors promote and $ell the method. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:13:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By booxr:
Test C 100mg twice a week HCG 250IU twice a week AI .5mg twice a week, but taking as needed Test results thru LabCorp before starting TRT Total T = 591 ng/dl 264 - 916 Free T = 10.1 pg/mL 8.7 - 25.1 Estradiol = 13.8 pg/mL 7.6 - 42.6 SHBG = 66.5 nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 LH = 4.8 mIU/L 1.7 - 8.6 FSH = 3.8 mIU/L 1.5 - 12.4 Test results 7 weeks in thru Quest, 22 hrs before next injection and 2 weeks without taking AI Total T = 1488 ng/dL 250 - 1100 Estradiol = 65 pg/mL LH = .2 mIU/mL 1.5 - 9.3 FSH = .7 mIU/mL 1.6 - 8.0 Switched to EOD injections starting today. You could cut the total dose a little to top out around 1100 and probably never need an AI at all. None of my business what you do, but I wouldn't have gone on TRT with a 591 total T. I believe you had low T symptoms with your SHGB at 66.5 nmol/L and estrogen so low at 13.8pg/ml, but I would have worked on lowering SHGB to raise free T and estrogen also. |
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Posted: 10/9/2019 12:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin-Kase:
Test pellets = medical procedure = more profit for doctor. Also more risk of infection and much harder to fine tune. There is some convenience for the patient, but ONLY if the pellets achieve the testosterone level you need. I wouldn't do it, but I understand why some people find the method attractive, and why doctors promote and $ell the method. |
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