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Posted: 1/13/2009 7:35:59 AM EDT
| The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. |
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The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. Give them a million years and they'd figure it out. |
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I'm often troubled by threads like this. We have serious issues to deal with. Yet, society as a whole, gets more worked up over evolution, gays and Christmas than taxes, gun laws, protection of the country, and government intrusion. This...........in a big mutha frackin way. Get your priorities sorted out folks. 
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I'd love it if our creator was really some pimply faced alien teenager who created us for his high school science project. When asked "why are humans here?" he says "I slacked off the first half of the term and had to recreate evolution to keep from failing."
I believe in creation (although not in the way organized religion does), and that evolution is part of it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm often troubled by threads like this. We have serious issues to deal with. Yet, society as a whole, gets more worked up over evolution, gays and Christmas than taxes, gun laws, protection of the country, and government intrusion. This...........in a big mutha frackin way. Get your priorities sorted out folks. I find it strange the handful of different approaches to all the above creates the contention. Whether applied to evolution/creation or guns and taxes, there's soome people asserting that faith/feeling is a valid base for belief. How are you supposed to address it, when a large number of people FEEL that the rich are robbing from the poor, in the lack of any economic knowledge on how the economy really works? The rest of the mentioned topic are no different. What do you do with faith, where it contradicts fact? |
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I'm often troubled by threads like this. We have serious issues to deal with. Yet, society as a whole, gets more worked up over evolution, gays and Christmas than taxes, gun laws, protection of the country, and government intrusion. This...........in a big mutha frackin way. Get your priorities sorted out folks.
I find it strange the handful of different approaches to all the above creates the contention. Whether applied to evolution/creation or guns and taxes, there's soome people asserting that faith/feeling is a valid base for belief. How are you supposed to address it, when a large number of people FEEL that the rich are robbing from the poor, in the lack of any economic knowledge on how the economy really works? The rest of the mentioned topic are no different. What do you do with faith, where it contradicts fact? Good point. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? We didn't evolve from monkeys, and the creatures that we did evolve from are now extinct. OK? |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? We did not evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a form that was more ape-like in appearance and structure. Do try to keep up. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This statement betrays a complete lack of understanding of the concept of evolution. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This statement betrays a complete lack of understanding of the concept of evolution. someone show me one gram of proof, that evolution has happened anyware! anyone? |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This statement betrays a complete lack of understanding of the concept of evolution. someone show me one gram of proof, that evolution has happened anyware! anyone? Drug resistant TB. Thanks for playing. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? We did not evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a form that was more ape-like in appearance and structure. Do try to keep up. then there has to be a link, half human/have ape like? there is notta, just a bunch of spectulation. There is no half link/in between anything, never one documented once of proof anyware? Hmmm, I believe! |
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The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. Actually, we are currently very close to making synthetic single celled organisms. From what I've heard, the largest hurdles have been overcome, and there are just a few minor details to be taken care of. They've shown that the organic compounds needed to make DNA and RNA can spontaneously form under what were considered primordial conditions in labs. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe in God, but I also believe in evolutionary pathways, and believe that God used the laws of Science to make his creations. I don't think he just pointed at stuff and said "Be a frog". Where's the fun in that? I'd want to guide evolution to make it do what I want. ETA: And for proof of evolution, take a look at the microbial world. MRSA and other drug resistant bugs. Even our immune system EVOLVES and adapts. Look to the animal world to see species differentiate over time due to competition, or predation. Nature favors the fittest, and over time those traits evolve to become more prominent. |
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The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. It doesn't surprise me in the least bit. One of the recurring themes of the Bible is that God does not reveal truth to the arrogant. Look at the Pharisees. They knew the Law inside and out. They read what Moses wrote, but COULDN'T see the final product. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? We didn't evolve from monkeys, and the creatures that we did evolve from are now extinct. OK? what proof is there? no such thing as half Ape/half human. If evolved over time, there would have to be. but never once has anyone found anything remotly close. So to support the this thought there needs to be proof. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? We did not evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a form that was more ape-like in appearance and structure. Do try to keep up. then there has to be a link, half human/have ape like? there is notta, just a bunch of spectulation. There is no half link/in between anything, never one documented once of proof anyware? Hmmm, I believe! There is a whole string of evolutionary links. Starts with the Lucy fossils, goes through some changes in later ones, homo-habilis, homo-erectus, homo-sapiens. This is paraphrased, yes I skipped a bunch of material. No, there is not one that is exactly half sapiens and half erectus. But then your kids are not exactly half you and half your wife either, it doesn't really work that way. BTW, I gave you an example of evolution one post above yours. |
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Do you have even a guess at how many chemical reactions can happen in a billion years? Do you know that all life on Earth is made up of just 20 amino acids, combined in different ways? Do you know that over half of those amino acids have been made in a laboratory simply by exposing the gasses found in interstellar space to ultraviolet light?
The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. |
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Because we didn't evolve from monkeys. If you're going to refute evolution, why not learn something about it first?
There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? |
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What do you do with faith, where it contradicts fact? The same thing that you do when it's reversed (fact contradicting faith)......accept it for what it is , and/or accept that you dont have the answer (yet). If you want to dedicate a certain part , or the whole of your life to trying to understand it........well , thats your choice and your freedom. But realize that you might want to pay attention to the matter at hand, while your on this Earth ....alive. Working twords a goal with those that believe differently can happen effectively.....until you waste valuable time and energy bickering about what happens after your dead. When folks believe so differently than you , and the bickering escalates to the point that you become enemies.....well you have what we have had between Chistians/Jews and Muslims for a thousand or so years. Too much blood has been spilled over this petty bickering. Its fucking stupid. If you want to believe that Xenu has walked this Earth and that some anteater is his prophet....well have at it. But if you insist on terrorizing folks that dont follow your faith....whatever it is, than I'll do whatever is in my power to assist you in meeting your god...rapidly. |
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Quoted: What do you do with it, when the faith becomes political goals?Quoted: What do you do with faith, where it contradicts fact? The same thing that you do when it's reversed (fact contradicting faith)......accept it for what it is , and/or accept that you dont have the answer (yet). If you want to dedicate a certain part , or the whole of your life to trying to understand it........well , thats your choice and your freedom. But realize that you might want to pay attention to the matter at hand, while your on this Earth ....alive. Working twords a goal with those that believe differently can happen effectively.....until you waste valuable time and energy bickering about what happens after your dead. When folks believe so differently than you , and the bickering escalates to the point that you become enemies.....well you have what we have had between Chistians/Jews and Muslims for a thousand or so years. Too much blood has been spilled over this petty bickering. Its fucking stupid. If you want to believe that Xenu has walked this Earth and that some anteater is his prophet....well have at it. But if you insist on terrorizing folks that dont follow your faith....whatever it is, than I'll do whatever is in my power to assist you in meeting your god...rapidly. I'm not just talking about religion. The Brady Bunch has plenty of faith that availability of guns are connected to gun violence levels, and no amount of fact sways them. What do you do when faith comes to you, and demands you change? |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This has got to be the ONE touchstone statement that is almost universally indicative of inhibited mental processing. The idea that the new model automatically has to displace the old model. One only has to look at wolves and dogs to answer this to even a child's satisfaction. "Just because you don't understand something does not mean that others don't understand it". I swear you could drop this phrase into random threads in GD and regardless of context it would be applicable. |
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Told you we were close.
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What do you do when faith comes to you, and demands you change? You have at least 4 options: 1) Play by the rules 2) Change the rules 3) Cheat 4) Refuse to play and get out of the game entirely Exactly what I would do would depend on where I was and the game that was being played at that particular moment. As far as the Brady Bunch's game...........#1 is out of the question, #2 is impossible at this point in the game (others will argue this , but IMO.....that is what I call blind faith) Which leaves us with #3 and #4. And like I said.....that will all depend. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This has got to be the ONE touchstone statement that is almost universally indicative of inhibited mental processing. The idea that the new model automatically has to displace the old model. One only has to look at wolves and dogs to answer this to even a child's satisfaction. "Just because you don't understand something does not mean that others don't understand it". I swear you could drop this phrase into random threads in GD and regardless of context it would be applicable. +1 I love the "logic" of people that do not bother to educate themselves in the slightest on a topic about which they have incredibly strong opinions. 
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Quoted: apply those practically.Quoted: What do you do when faith comes to you, and demands you change? You have at least 4 options: 1) Play by the rules 2) Change the rules 3) Cheat 4) Refuse to play and get out of the game entirely Exactly what I would do would depend on where I was and the game that was being played at that particular moment. I'm interested how you'd apply #2, primarily. |
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What do you do when faith comes to you, and demands you change? You have at least 4 options: 1) Play by the rules 2) Change the rules 3) Cheat 4) Refuse to play and get out of the game entirely Exactly what I would do would depend on where I was and the game that was being played at that particular moment. I'm interested how you'd apply #2, primarily. see my edit...........but: #2 is not my arena........Im not a politician. The entire idea of "by the people....for the people " is a long lost pipe dream now. It will take long heavy implimentation of #3 and #4 before we are able to impliment #2 (see Heller) 
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The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. Actually, we are currently very close to making synthetic single celled organisms. From what I've heard, the largest hurdles have been overcome, and there are just a few minor details to be taken care of. They've shown that the organic compounds needed to make DNA and RNA can spontaneously form under what were considered primordial conditions in labs. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe in God, but I also believe in evolutionary pathways, and believe that God used the laws of Science to make his creations. I don't think he just pointed at stuff and said "Be a frog". Where's the fun in that? I'd want to guide evolution to make it do what I want. ETA: And for proof of evolution, take a look at the microbial world. MRSA and other drug resistant bugs. Even our immune system EVOLVES and adapts. Look to the animal world to see species differentiate over time due to competition, or predation. Nature favors the fittest, and over time those traits evolve to become more prominent. I, for one, will welcome our new synthetic overlords. |
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The God vs. science thread troubled me that so many doubt God. Think about this. If you put the smartest most educated scientist all in a room today they could not create life from nothing. So we are suppost to believe life evolved from nothing all by itself. Not possible. There has to be a designer. No other possible explanation. 
I guess you missed this. Life As We Know It Nearly Created in Lab One of life's greatest mysteries is how it began. Scientists have pinned it down to roughly this: Some chemical reactions occurred about 4 billion years ago — perhaps in a primordial tidal soup or maybe with help of volcanoes or possibly at the bottom of the sea or between the mica sheets — to create biology. Now scientists have created something in the lab that is tantalizingly close to what might have happened. It's not life, they stress, but it certainly gives the science community a whole new data set to chew on. The researchers, at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif., created molecules that self-replicate and even evolve and compete to win or lose. If that sounds exactly like life, read on to learn the controversial and thin distinction. Know your RNA To understand the remarkable breakthrough, detailed Jan. 8 in the early online edition of the journal Science, you have to know a little about molecules called RNA and DNA. DNA is the software of life, the molecules that pack all the genetic information of a cell. DNA and the genes within it are where mutations occur, enabling changes that create new species. RNA is the close cousin to DNA. More accurately, RNA is thought to be a primitive ancestor of DNA. RNA can't run a life form on its own, but 4 billion years ago it might have been on the verge of creating life, just needing some chemical fix to make the leap. In today's world, RNA is dependent on DNA for performing its roles, which include coding for proteins. If RNA is in fact the ancestor to DNA, then scientists have figured they could get RNA to replicate itself in a lab without the help of any proteins or other cellular machinery. Easy to say, hard to do. But that's exactly what the Scripps researchers did. Then things went surprisingly further. 'Immortalized' Specifically, the researchers synthesized RNA enzymes that can replicate themselves without the help of any proteins or other cellular components, and the process proceeds indefinitely. "Immortalized" RNA, they call it, at least within the limited conditions of a laboratory. More significantly, the scientists then mixed different RNA enzymes that had replicated, along with some of the raw material they were working with, and let them compete in what's sure to be the next big hit: "Survivor: Test Tube." Remarkably, they bred. And now and then, one of these survivors would screw up, binding with some other bit of raw material it hadn't been using. Hmm. That's exactly what life forms do ... When these mutations occurred, "the resulting recombinant enzymes also were capable of sustained replication, with the most fit replicators growing in number to dominate the mixture," the scientists report. The "creatures" — wait, we can't call them that! — evolved, with some "species" winning out. "It kind of blew me away," said team member Tracey Lincoln of the Scripps Research Institute, who is working on her Ph.D. "What we have is non-living, but we've been able to show that it has some life-like properties, and that was extremely interesting." Indeed. Knocking on life's door Lincoln's advisor, professor Gerald Joyce, reiterated that while the self-replicating RNA enzyme systems share certain characteristics of life, they are not life as we know it. "What we've found could be relevant to how life begins, at that key moment when Darwinian evolution starts," Joyce said in a statement. Joyce's restraint, clear also on an NPR report of the finding, has to be appreciated. He allows that some scientists familiar with the work have argued that this is life. Another scientist said that what the researchers did is equivalent to recreating a scenario that might have led to the origin of life. Joyce insists he and Lincoln have not created life: "We're knocking on that door," he says, "but of course we haven't achieved that." Only when a system is developed in the lab that has the capability of evolving novel functions on its own can it be properly called life, Joyce said. In short, the molecules in Joyce's lab can't evolve any totally new tricks, he said. |
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There has never been proof of evolution, as a matter of fact species have been falling off the plant not evolving! one question though, if we evolved from monkey's, how come there are still monkeys? This has got to be the ONE touchstone statement that is almost universally indicative of inhibited mental processing. The idea that the new model automatically has to displace the old model. One only has to look at wolves and dogs to answer this to even a child's satisfaction. "Just because you don't understand something does not mean that others don't understand it". I swear you could drop this phrase into random threads in GD and regardless of context it would be applicable. +1 I love the "logic" of people that do not bother to educate themselves in the slightest on a topic about which they have incredibly strong opinions.
Please enlighten me w/ this all knowing scientific data you have please. You know "Educate me" So I can change my thoughts, but there is no proof of evolution anyware, just hypothesis. So to state it as law or fact is absurd. |
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Please enlighten me w/ this all knowing scientific data you have please. You know "Educate me" So I can change my thoughts, but there is no proof of evolution anyware, just hypothesis. So to state it as law or fact is absurd. Proof of evolution: The fact that viruses have become immune to different forms of treatment that used to work... Proof god exists: ... *cricket* ... |