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1/9/2009 10:47:03 AM EDT
I am a sucker...again.  That is all.
1/9/2009 10:47:29 AM EDT
[#1]
So you roll the catalog up like a tube or something?
1/9/2009 10:50:39 AM EDT
[#2]
I just got 2Krds of aamo from them yesterday that I ordered last Friday.

..and OMG I paid the same price that I ordered it for
1/9/2009 10:51:32 AM EDT
[#3]
I just got a pair of East German boots! Sie sind sehr gemütlich!
1/9/2009 11:33:35 AM EDT
[#4]
They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.
1/9/2009 11:34:26 AM EDT
[#5]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?
1/9/2009 11:39:04 AM EDT
[#6]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  
1/9/2009 11:40:01 AM EDT
[#7]
That catalog has adorned my bathroom floor for years.
1/9/2009 11:58:09 AM EDT
[#8]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


Did you call them?  They should accept a return if it isn't what you ordered, or at the very least charge you the laquer-coated price.
1/9/2009 12:04:05 PM EDT
[#9]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


The ol' bait and switch again, eh?
1/9/2009 12:27:46 PM EDT
[#10]
At least you admit it. I was gonna say, how long have you been here?
1/9/2009 12:30:32 PM EDT
[#11]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


The ol' bait and switch again, eh?


That is what they do.  Sportsman Guide = suck.
1/9/2009 12:34:03 PM EDT
[#12]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


Did you call them?  They should accept a return if it isn't what you ordered, or at the very least charge you the laquer-coated price.


LOL

1/9/2009 12:37:44 PM EDT
[#13]
They won't ship .50 BMG to this State because they say it is Armor Piercing.  I can't find any law that says you cannot own Armor Piercing either.
1/9/2009 12:37:49 PM EDT
[#14]
i have wondered at some of their prices before (sort of high on some things) but otherwise, I have been a "member" for 3 years and have never had any quality or "ethical" issues with them at all.  When I buy something, they send it.  I'd call their customer service line and see if they'll acknowledge the mistake and make the situation right with you.
1/9/2009 12:46:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Ah yes, Sportsmans Guide. The only company that refuses to do business with you if you lots of their ammo.
1/9/2009 12:50:16 PM EDT
[#16]
I got a $25 credit when they sent me Berdan-primed .308 surplus ammo instead of Boxer-primed ammo they had advertised.  They offered to refund my money if I shipped the ammo back to them.  I was underwhelmed (I bought several thousand rounds).  That was the last time I dealt with them.

DN
1/9/2009 12:53:07 PM EDT
[#17]
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i have wondered at some of their prices before (sort of high on some things) but otherwise, I have been a "member" for 3 years and have never had any quality or "ethical" issues with them at all.  When I buy something, they send it.  I'd call their customer service line and see if they'll acknowledge the mistake and make the situation right with you.


Oh they're getting it back, on their penny.  Still, my CC was charged for something that I didn't recieve, and they obviously knew about it because they shipped a different product because what I ordered wasn't in stock.  The lady I talked to knew I was calling about the ammo BEFORE I SAID ANYTHING.  Just a little frustrating.

I don't have to do business with them, and I won't from now on.

And I was well aware of SPG's reputation, but this is the first time something like this has happened to me.  4-5 other purchases over the last 3-4 years have gone fine.
1/9/2009 12:53:08 PM EDT
[#18]
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I just got 2Krds of aamo from them yesterday that I ordered last Friday.

..and OMG I paid the same price that I ordered it for


It's a miracle.  No, really.
1/9/2009 1:18:10 PM EDT
[#19]
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The ol' bait and switch again, eh?


I ordered a Genesis Pro (bow).  It was described in every detail as being a Genesis Pro.

–– But received the less expensive and less desirable Genesis.

They did give a refund, less the $17.50 shipping.

I ordered two of the same bows from EDERS.com.  I paid $12.99 shipping for BOTH of them, and I actually got what I ordered.

Moral of this story is to be careful what you order from SG, their order fulfillment is a little shaky.  And you get to pay for the privilege of correcting their mistakes.

1/9/2009 2:20:40 PM EDT
[#20]
What do you expect from a company run by the French?
1/9/2009 2:28:18 PM EDT
[#21]
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I got a $25 credit when they sent me Berdan-primed .308 surplus ammo instead of Boxer-primed ammo they had advertised.  They offered to refund my money if I shipped the ammo back to them.  I was underwhelmed (I bought several thousand rounds).  That was the last time I dealt with them.

DN


You could have disputed the charge with your credit card company to force them
to take it back on their dime.
1/9/2009 2:33:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Welcome to the club.

No, not the buyers club, the club of people who have been fucked over by SG.
1/9/2009 2:49:37 PM EDT
[#23]
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That catalog has adorned my bathroom floor for years.


I prefer using the toilette myself.

1/9/2009 3:06:16 PM EDT
[#24]
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They won't ship .50 BMG to this State because they say it is Armor Piercing.  I can't find any law that says you cannot own Armor Piercing either.


Possession of AP handgun ammunition is a felony in Alabama.
Vendors probably choose to be on the safe side and refuse to ship any AP to Alabama.


Section 13A-11-60
(a) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, the possession or sale of brass or steel teflon-coated handgun ammunition is illegal anywhere within the State of Alabama. The possession or sale of said ammunition or any ammunition of like kind designed to penetrate bullet-proof vests, shall be unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (c) of this section.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to state or local law enforcement officers; nor shall it apply to the possession or sale of teflon-coated lead or brass ammunition designed to expand upon contact.
...
(d) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class C felony as defined by Section 13A-5-3.
1/9/2009 3:22:23 PM EDT
[#25]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


The ol' bait and switch again, eh?



That isn't a bait and switch. Bait and switch is offering a deceptively low price on something that you have no intention of selling and then contacting the people that try and order it after they place their order and saying it is unavailable but you can buy xxxxx in its place.


Sportsman's guide does backorders. Therefore, they do not bait and switch.
1/9/2009 3:32:50 PM EDT
[#26]
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I just got 2Krds of aamo from them yesterday that I ordered last Friday.

..and OMG I paid the same price that I ordered it for


It's a miracle.  No, really.


In the 4 years that I've been using them I've only had 1 problem and it was fixed within a week.
1/9/2009 3:35:58 PM EDT
[#27]
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I just got 2Krds of aamo from them yesterday that I ordered last Friday.

..and OMG I paid the same price that I ordered it for


It's a miracle.  No, really.


In the 4 years that I've been using them I've only had 1 problem and it was fixed within a week.


I've been with them for 2 years or so, and my issue was fixed rather fast, with extra coupons.

Not sure if I'll sign up for the membership again though, but I may.  Buying in bulk it does pay off sometimes.
1/9/2009 3:40:45 PM EDT
[#28]
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That catalog has adorned my bathroom floor for years.
mine too! since 1984....

1/9/2009 3:41:45 PM EDT
[#29]
In before someone uses their website feature to find your home address.
1/9/2009 3:41:56 PM EDT
[#30]
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I just got 2Krds of aamo from them yesterday that I ordered last Friday.

..and OMG I paid the same price that I ordered it for


It's a miracle.  No, really.

Been with them 2 years, Spent a shit load of money on many differant things.
Had one pair of boots that did not fit correct, I sent them back they sent me replacments and two more 10.00 coupons....


In the 4 years that I've been using them I've only had 1 problem and it was fixed within a week.


1/9/2009 4:55:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Ha Ha wow...so the last thing I ask the 'customer service' lady before I get off the phone with her is -

"So I don't need to mark the box at all, UPS will bring an RA slip and mark the box themselves when they pick it up?"

Her - "That's right, he will have what he needs, just put your return slip inside the box so we (SG) will have a record when the package arrives."

UPS guy shows up at my office to pick up the package (same afternoon I received it...I was initially impressed).  He takes one look at the package and says "This needs a shipping barcode on it, can't take it without one."  "But they said you were bringing it?!?!?"  "Nope, just got called for a pick up."

Wow.  I love this company.
1/9/2009 5:05:18 PM EDT
[#32]
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In before someone uses their website feature to find your home address.


Holy!?!?!    I just found that.  Just a little disturbing....my work address and all...
1/9/2009 10:55:08 PM EDT
[#33]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


The ol' bait and switch again, eh?



That isn't a bait and switch. Bait and switch is offering a deceptively low price on something that you have no intention of selling and then contacting the people that try and order it after they place their order and saying it is unavailable but you can buy xxxxx in its place.


Sportsman's guide does backorders. Therefore, they do not bait and switch.



You are wrong.

They advertise one thing, and ship you something else entirely, worth quite less than what you paid. Bait you in with one thing, but you get sent something else.

Other shenanigans include advertising new, first quality brand name goods.
But what you receive is second quality goods with no manufacturer warranty whatsoever.
Of course you had no way of knowing this, and never would, until you attempted to obtain manufacturer support!

Oh, they do backorders? That's funny.  The backorders that they cancel whenever they feel like? Or the backorders you get a phonecall about telling you the new  price is this, take it or leave it. Or how about the backorders where despite what your order confirmation says, they charge you whatever the fuck they want anyhow? You mean those backorders?

False advertising, deception, bait and switch, outright fraud, I don't give a fuck what you want to call it, it is what it is, and sportsmansguide is a piece of shit outfit.

Anyone still shopping there, really deserves the fucking at this point.
1/9/2009 10:56:42 PM EDT
[#34]
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In before someone uses their website feature to find your home address.


Holy!?!?!    I just found that.  Just a little disturbing....my work address and all...



Oh yeah, and then theres that.

Good fucking grief.
1/9/2009 10:57:49 PM EDT
[#35]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


The ol' bait and switch again, eh?



That isn't a bait and switch. Bait and switch is offering a deceptively low price on something that you have no intention of selling and then contacting the people that try and order it after they place their order and saying it is unavailable but you can buy xxxxx in its place.


Sportsman's guide does backorders. Therefore, they do not bait and switch.



You are wrong.

They advertise one thing, and ship you something else entirely, worth quite less than what you paid. Bait you in with one thing, but you get sent something else.

Other shenanigans include advertising new, first quality brand name goods.
But what you receive is second quality goods with no manufacturer warranty whatsoever.
Of course you had no way of knowing this, and never would, until you attempted to obtain manufacturer support!

Oh, they do backorders? That's funny.  The backorders that they cancel whenever they feel like? Or the backorders you get a phonecall about telling you the new  price is this, take it or leave it. Or how about the backorders where despite what your order confirmation says, they charge you whatever the fuck they want anyhow? You mean those backorders?

False advertising, deception, bait and switch, outright fraud, I don't give a fuck what you want to call it, it is what it is, and sportsmansguide is a piece of shit outfit.

Anyone still shopping there, really deserves the fucking at this point
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Awww come on, can't that wait 'till the next guy orders something?
1/9/2009 11:02:48 PM EDT
[#36]
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Awww come on, can't that wait 'till the next guy orders something?


Dude, this has been going on since somewhere around 2005.
The company changed hands and it has been drastically downhill since.
Every forum I'm on has multiple threads about "I got fucked".
Gee, no shit, really? How many threads does it take before you realize you might get fucked too?

No offense intended to you ScotchBoy, if you crawl up their ass and become a big enough pain up there, they'll *probably* make you whole.
I would not eat those shipping charges, I'd dispute with my CC if SPG won't cooperate, and fast.

Good luck, I do hope you get your cash.
1/9/2009 11:07:02 PM EDT
[#37]
They wouldn't ship a fucking M-1 Carbine sling and oiler to me here in California
1/9/2009 11:14:13 PM EDT
[#38]
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They sent me laquer coated Barnaul instead of the zinc stuff.  Charged my CC the same as zinc, didn't tell me they were out of the zinc.

Oh BTW, SPG is outa zinc-coated Barnaul 62gr.




SO are you happy or sad about it?


The Zinc (aka Silver Bear) is the lowest grade stuff I'll shoot outa my AR.  The laquer coated stuff is inferior IMO, and CHEAPER.  So, I'm upset.  They charged my CC like I was getting zinc and sent me laquer-coated, didn't say a word.  Buts its SPG.  Its really my fault when you think about it.  


While all their shenanigans are un-called for, I'd be happy if I got lacquer coated instead of zinc (depending on the price). I consider the zinc to be inferior to the lacquer, primarily if you're planning to store it for a while.

That said, with such fine outfits as Widener's, AIM, and ATG around I haven't bothered looking at the Guide's ammo in a few years.
1/9/2009 11:15:16 PM EDT
[#39]
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They wouldn't ship a fucking M-1 Carbine sling and oiler to me here in California


Anyone still  shopping  living there, really deserves the fucking at this point.

Couldn't resist
1/9/2009 11:22:14 PM EDT
[#40]
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They wouldn't ship a fucking M-1 Carbine sling and oiler to me here in California


Anyone still  shopping  living there, really deserves the fucking at this point.

Couldn't resist


So now that oblama is about to be president,  where ya moving to?
1/9/2009 11:26:58 PM EDT
[#41]
I havent ordered from them since they got rid of the free shipping coupon. I just dont feel like its truely a deal anymore when I not getting $1000 worth of ammo shipped for free. I need more .223 though, I may have to check their site. Dispite what others have said I have never had a problem with them, or their CS.
1/9/2009 11:28:18 PM EDT
[#42]
I've ordered a metric shit ton of stuff from sportsman's guide and have not had any problems. They're great. I don't order ammo from them as they don't ship to Canada. Maybe that's the reason.
1/10/2009 10:39:25 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:  I don't order ammo from them as they don't ship to Canada. Maybe that's the reason.


It is.
1/10/2009 12:06:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Scotchboy, making it over to this end of the state anytime soon?  Another round of drinks at the Roadhouse might soothe the nerves.
1/10/2009 12:14:01 PM EDT
[#45]
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Ah yes, Sportsmans Guide. The only company that refuses to do business with you if you lots of their ammo.





Fuck Arock, Obama, SportsmansGuide, Scammoman, Rguns & Botach.



How long can the list get?
1/10/2009 9:54:14 PM EDT
[#46]
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Scotchboy, making it over to this end of the state anytime soon?  Another round of drinks at the Roadhouse might soothe the nerves.


I'm thinking so my friend.    Its been too long, PM if you've got any classes coming up soon.