Posted: 11/25/2008 11:05:40 PM EDT
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It is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that if you are born here in the US, you are an American citizen. If you are a citizen and give birth in another country, your children are still American citizens. (Like I go on vacation to another country, and had a child early, they'd still be Americans.)
I know many kids who have "dual citizenship" because their parent/parents were citizens of other countries, and gave birth here...not sure how that works, but know it happens. I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Can I an arfcom summary/education of how it works? |
| As it pertains to Obama, something about the age of his mother and number of years she lived in the US. Supposedly there was a requirement that you had to have lived in the US for so many years to be able to pass citizenship to your children. Someone else will be along soon to give a more detailed answer, I'm sure. |
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As it pertains to Obama, something about the age of his mother and number of years she lived in the US. Supposedly there was a requirement that you had to have lived in the US for so many years to be able to pass citizenship to your children. Someone else will be along soon to give a more detailed answer, I'm sure. The Obama thing had me thinking, and I didn't want to hijack another thread. 
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It is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that if you are born here in the US, you are an American citizen. If you are a citizen and give birth in another country, your children are still American citizens. (Like I go on vacation to another country, and had a child early, they'd still be Americans.) I know many kids who have "dual citizenship" because their parent/parents were citizens of other countries, and gave birth here...not sure how that works, but know it happens. I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Can I an arfcom summary/education of how it works? Citizenship either comes from place of birth (jus soli) or parentage (jus sanguinis). In the United States, both concepts apply, so children born in the States or to US parents automatically become citizens. |
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It is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that if you are born here in the US, you are an American citizen. If you are a citizen and give birth in another country, your children are still American citizens. (Like I go on vacation to another country, and had a child early, they'd still be Americans.) I know many kids who have "dual citizenship" because their parent/parents were citizens of other countries, and gave birth here...not sure how that works, but know it happens. I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Can I an arfcom summary/education of how it works? Citizenship either comes from place of birth (jus soli) or parentage (jus sanguinis). In the United States, both concepts apply, so children born in the States or to US parents automatically become citizens. Funny that somebody from AUS would reply. Most of the kids I see with dual citizenship have parents from Aus. 
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When you are born abroad your parent can go to the US consulate and get a "consular report of birth abroad" certificate which is like a US birth certificate.
* If both parents were U.S. citizens when your child was born, he/she may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, if at least one parent resided in the USA prior to the child's birth. * If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. * If a child was adopted by an American citizen(s), or if the U.S. citizen parent has not met the physical presence requirement, then the child cannot be issued a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. Please refer to the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 for further information on how to document your child as an American Citizen. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp |
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Lancair has it right. Though US law does have some caveats for being born abroad––sometimes it doesn't count as "natural born citizen."
My case is that I was born in the US to an American citizen (mom) and an Iranian (Islamic Republic at the time) (dad) citizen with permanent resident status. So I am a natural born American citizen (my dad, incidentally, is now a citizen). However, under Iranian law, since my father was and is an Iranian citizen (he has dual citizenship), I can claim and would receive Iranian citizenship as well. As I understand it, Iranian law assumes I am a citizen or at least would if I showed up there with proof of parentage. That said, I have zero interest in claiming that citizenship and am more than happy to be, solely, an American citizen. |
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Sea Lion, not seal shit. 
And yes, we do need to quit that. 
Here I go, hijacking my own thread now. 
I was up in Monterey a few months ago. Did a day in SC at the Boardwalk, and in Felton for a dinner train thing, and the beach train with the kids. I could really see myself living there if it wasn't so damn liberal. Want to see pics?
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* If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp Was the rule different before 11/14/86? |
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Lancair has it right. Though US law does have some caveats for being born abroad––sometimes it doesn't count as "natural born citizen." My case is that I was born in the US to an American citizen (mom) and an Iranian (Islamic Republic at the time) (dad) citizen with permanent resident status. So I am a natural born American citizen (my dad, incidentally, is now a citizen). However, under Iranian law, since my father was and is an Iranian citizen (he has dual citizenship), I can claim and would receive Iranian citizenship as well. As I understand it, Iranian law assumes I am a citizen or at least would if I showed up there with proof of parentage. That said, I have zero interest in claiming that citizenship and am more than happy to be, solely, an American citizen. Shit, I'd get the Iranian passport just to scare people. |
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* If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp Was the rule different before 11/14/86? No, they passed a law to set that date just to fuck with people. "From 11/14/86 henceforth, the law shall remain the same!" 
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| I was born in Florida in 1987. Both of my parents were born in England, and are still English citizens. I am an American citizen because I was born here, and an English citizen because both parents are English citizens. I've got an American and a UK passport. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision.
Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. |
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Sea Lion, not seal shit.
And yes, we do need to quit that.
Here I go, hijacking my own thread now.
I was up in Monterey a few months ago. Did a day in SC at the Boardwalk, and in Felton for a dinner train thing, and the beach train with the kids. I could really see myself living there if it wasn't so damn liberal. Want to see pics? You went through Roaring Camp? Awesome, my grandfather is a conductor there!
You're right, we have more than our fair share of retarded liberals, but don't let that dissuade you. There's lots of folks like us, shooting ranges, and life is pretty good here. 
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* If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp Was the rule different before 11/14/86? No, they passed a law to set that date just to fuck with people. "From 11/14/86 henceforth, the law shall remain the same!" 
We know Osama was born to a Kenyan father, NOT a citizen. However Satans mother was, as far as I know, born here which would mean her children would be citizens by default....even if born in other countries. TELL me there is a loophole? |
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You went through Roaring Camp? Awesome, my grandfather is a conductor there!
Went through??? I changed the DATES to make the dinner train thing on Saturday night. My younger kids loved it! My oldest cracked me up. The train failed 3 times to make it up a steep grade, and he was looking at bugging out.  He was like, there are too many people that have eaten WAY too much at the rear of the train....I've got Lala, you get Coco....We jump THAT way––––> WAY funny! They ended up bringing in another engine to push that overfilled train up the grade.
I also dropped them off at Roaring camp on the day we hit Santa Cruz so they could take the beach train there.
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* If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp Was the rule different before 11/14/86? No, they passed a law to set that date just to fuck with people. "From 11/14/86 henceforth, the law shall remain the same!"
We know Osama was born to a Kenyan father, NOT a citizen. However Satans mother was, as far as I know, born here which would mean her children would be citizens by default....even if born in other countries. TELL me there is a loophole? The "5 years after turning 14" part is the stickler. She got pregnant when she was 17 and gave birth to him 4 months after she had turned 18. |
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We know Osama was born to a Kenyan father, NOT a citizen. However Satans mother was, as far as I know, born here which would mean her children would be citizens by default....even if born in other countries. TELL me there is a loophole? I don't know a damn thing about this sort of stuff. I'm here to troll make snarky comments. |
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* If your child was born on or after 11/14/86, and only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child may have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the USA for periods totaling five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which where after their 14th birthday. http://www.consular.canada.usembassy.gov/birth_abroad.asp Was the rule different before 11/14/86? No, they passed a law to set that date just to fuck with people. "From 11/14/86 henceforth, the law shall remain the same!" That was the Immigration Reform Act. You know, the FIRST amnesty program. |
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Lancair has it right. Though US law does have some caveats for being born abroad––sometimes it doesn't count as "natural born citizen." My case is that I was born in the US to an American citizen (mom) and an Iranian (Islamic Republic at the time) (dad) citizen with permanent resident status. So I am a natural born American citizen (my dad, incidentally, is now a citizen). However, under Iranian law, since my father was and is an Iranian citizen (he has dual citizenship), I can claim and would receive Iranian citizenship as well. As I understand it, Iranian law assumes I am a citizen or at least would if I showed up there with proof of parentage. That said, I have zero interest in claiming that citizenship and am more than happy to be, solely, an American citizen. Shit, I'd get the Iranian passport just to scare people. Yeah, but it might scare the people who do my security clearance for the Air Force, too. |
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Lancair has it right. Though US law does have some caveats for being born abroad––sometimes it doesn't count as "natural born citizen." My case is that I was born in the US to an American citizen (mom) and an Iranian (Islamic Republic at the time) (dad) citizen with permanent resident status. So I am a natural born American citizen (my dad, incidentally, is now a citizen). However, under Iranian law, since my father was and is an Iranian citizen (he has dual citizenship), I can claim and would receive Iranian citizenship as well. As I understand it, Iranian law assumes I am a citizen or at least would if I showed up there with proof of parentage. That said, I have zero interest in claiming that citizenship and am more than happy to be, solely, an American citizen. Shit, I'd get the Iranian passport just to scare people. Yeah, but it might scare the people who do my security clearance for the Air Force, too. If you want to be an O, you wouldn't get that far. My friend had to renounce his spanish citizenship to get his USMC commission. |
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Funny that somebody from AUS would reply. Most of the kids I see with dual citizenship have parents from Aus.
Dual citizenship is common with people from the British Commonwealth. "Once a brit, always a brit," even if you receive citizenship from another country. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. You are not required to choose one citizenship over another when you become an adult. My kids were born in Germany and are dual nationals. My youngest was not born on base and I did not have a consular record of the birth. I had to apply for a certificate of citizenship for him from immigration. The AA on the certificate indicates that he derived citizenship at birth instead of being naturalized. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? We do allow it. When entering Germany, my kids would use their German passport, when entering the U.S. they would use their U.S. passport. You don't even need to tell the CBP Inspector that you are a dual national. The problem with dual citizenship is that many oaths require you to swear an allegiance to their country and other governments don't like that too much. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? We do allow it. When entering Germany, my kids would use their German passport, when entering the U.S. they would use their U.S. passport. You don't even need to tell the CBP Inspector that you are a dual national. The problem with dual citizenship is that many oaths require you to swear an allegiance to their country and other governments don't like that too much. Does that end when they are 18? |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? We do allow it. When entering Germany, my kids would use their German passport, when entering the U.S. they would use their U.S. passport. You don't even need to tell the CBP Inspector that you are a dual national. The problem with dual citizenship is that many oaths require you to swear an allegiance to their country and other governments don't like that too much. Does that end when they are 18? No, you do not lose the citizenship of where you are born unless you specifically take some sort of action to renounce it. It is generally harder to renounce/lose your citizenship than it is to receive it. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? We do allow it. When entering Germany, my kids would use their German passport, when entering the U.S. they would use their U.S. passport. You don't even need to tell the CBP Inspector that you are a dual national. The problem with dual citizenship is that many oaths require you to swear an allegiance to their country and other governments don't like that too much. Does that end when they are 18? No, you do not lose the citizenship of where you are born unless you specifically take some sort of action to renounce it. It is generally harder to renounce/lose your citizenship than it is to receive it. Ok, lets bring this back to Osama.... Regardless of what crusty crotch, hippy BS games she played back in the day, her kid is American just because she was born here? 
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. The US does not recognize dual citizenship, but does nothing to stop it. |
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With very few exceptions the US does not recognize or allow dual-citizenship for adults. What other countries do is up to them. Kids, as minors, are subject to the control of their parents and can legally make the decision. Hence all the bullshit about BHO becoming an Indonesian is just that, bullshit. As a minor he can't renounce his US citizenship, and his stepfather couldn't either. Once he became an adult, it became his choice. I just chewed this over. Serbia might allow it, but we don't? is that right? We do allow it. When entering Germany, my kids would use their German passport, when entering the U.S. they would use their U.S. passport. You don't even need to tell the CBP Inspector that you are a dual national. The problem with dual citizenship is that many oaths require you to swear an allegiance to their country and other governments don't like that too much. Does that end when they are 18? No, you do not lose the citizenship of where you are born unless you specifically take some sort of action to renounce it. It is generally harder to renounce/lose your citizenship than it is to receive it. Ok, lets bring this back to Osama.... Regardless of what crusty crotch, hippy BS games she played back in the day, her kid is American just because she was born here? No. If he was born in Africa, she would have had to apply for the US citizenship based on the INA guidelines at the time. |
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I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Yup, being born here does not make you Norwegian, one the parents must be a citizen. I know a guy with triple citizen ship, born in the US by Norwegian/German parents. |
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I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Yup, being born here does not make you Norwegian, one the parents must be a citizen. I know a guy with triple citizen ship, born in the US by Norwegian/German parents. does that end, or a choice have to be made at adulthood? Can someone with dual citizenship become POTUS? (my typing is going to really suffer tonight, in a hotel on a laptop. apologies in advance) |
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I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Yup, being born here does not make you Norwegian, one the parents must be a citizen. I know a guy with triple citizen ship, born in the US by Norwegian/German parents. does that end, or a choice have to be made at adulthood? Can someone with dual citizenship become POTUS? (my typing is going to really suffer tonight, in a hotel on a laptop. apologies in advance) Even if it was allowed (I'm not sure it is), there would be quite the uproar if someone with dual citizenship even tried to run for POTUS. I remember back a couple years that Canada has a similar issue. The Governor General (Queen's representative in Canada) held both Canadian and French citizenship (gained through her marriage to her husband). Once the public outcry started, she quickly renounced the French citizenship. RF |
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I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Yup, being born here does not make you Norwegian, one the parents must be a citizen. I know a guy with triple citizen ship, born in the US by Norwegian/German parents. does that end, or a choice have to be made at adulthood? Can someone with dual citizenship become POTUS? (my typing is going to really suffer tonight, in a hotel on a laptop. apologies in advance) I believe the only hangup to being a dual US citizen is the oath you take - which has no legal standing. I doubt you could be elected to any federal office, let alone POTUS, as a dual citizen. You Americans are all into that patriot stuff. |
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I think there are some countries where you aren't guaranteed citizenship based on being born there, your parents have to be citizens. Yup, being born here does not make you Norwegian, one the parents must be a citizen. I know a guy with triple citizen ship, born in the US by Norwegian/German parents. does that end, or a choice have to be made at adulthood? Can someone with dual citizenship become POTUS? (my typing is going to really suffer tonight, in a hotel on a laptop. apologies in advance) I don't think a dual citizen can be POTUS. You'd have to give up the non-American citizenship. |
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Lancair has it right. Though US law does have some caveats for being born abroad––sometimes it doesn't count as "natural born citizen." My case is that I was born in the US to an American citizen (mom) and an Iranian (Islamic Republic at the time) (dad) citizen with permanent resident status. So I am a natural born American citizen (my dad, incidentally, is now a citizen). However, under Iranian law, since my father was and is an Iranian citizen (he has dual citizenship), I can claim and would receive Iranian citizenship as well. As I understand it, Iranian law assumes I am a citizen or at least would if I showed up there with proof of parentage. That said, I have zero interest in claiming that citizenship and am more than happy to be, solely, an American citizen. Shit, I'd get the Iranian passport just to scare people. Yeah, but it might scare the people who do my security clearance for the Air Force, too. Depending on how good your Farsi is, it could scare them enough to give you $30,000 to enlist, last I checked. |
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And I have to add (again, as I have in every one of these Obama citizenship threads) that State was a lot more relaxed with playing games with birth records through the 1970s. I know more than a few folks born in Saudi, to only one American parent, whose parents were told by the embassy to just wait and file in the US because it was a lot simpler. That didn't used to be a big deal because the US was a different place.
ETA: You have to remember that back in the late 1960s we had not yet developed a huge, aggressive, unassimilated alien population in the US. Foreigners were something of a novelty. We had not yet had to deal with things like the President of the United State (thanks, George, thanks a lot) encouraging another country to send all of their poor here illegally. So it didn't matter as much. |