Posted: 11/11/2008 7:11:17 AM EDT
Okay so all this end of the world talk has made me whant to updte the old bug out bag. Not that I am all that worried really, but I think some upgrades would be fun.
My main BOB is Alice Pack medium It Contains: 3 mre's poncho First Aid Kit (quick clot included) Cammel Back 100 spare round in bandelar on strippers Lightstick Back up flashlight Multi tool space blanket Mechanical water purifier Ketidyn lightstick bug repelent 3 spare 30rd ar mags compass Also included at the ready LC2 haness and suspenders 3 mags at the ready Dump Pouch Canteen knife Any suggestions on upgrades would be nice I am thinking about adding a gas mask road flares and some cs greanades 
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Dump the quick clot. Add socks. For real, that crap is really dangerous. In what way I figure if you need it you are already in danger Quick clot can burn your flesh and cause a lot of problems for further medical care on the injury. Pressure on the wound is better. If you don't have enough gauze/etc in your FAK then you can use the extra socks I suggested. |
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If you have 3 spare mags for your CCW then I'd dump the 100 rounds. Replace with more food. MREs are big and bulky. Maybe add some mainstay bars. They aren't the greatest tasting, but provide calories and should last a long time.
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Dump the quick clot. Add socks. For real, that crap is really dangerous. In what way I figure if you need it you are already in danger Personal experience with Quickclot. To say that it has a "strong exothermic reaction" is mild. I would recommend looking into Celox/Hemcon and other hemostatic bleeding control options, especially sponges. Here's a few links: http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000458.html http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63&threadid=3166 http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=1&Number=122161 http://www.airborneranger.com/forums/index.php?s=373adea304538c83995c82134bee9590&showtopic=1415&pid=16018&st=0& http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=&id=33691 Forget the gas mask. Unless you have some kind of NBC detection system, you will alreaady be dead by the time you get it on. Forget the CS. If you need to throw a CS canister, you need to be running the fuck away. If you are using full MRE packets, break them down into essentials and chuck the other shit. Add road and topo maps of your AO. Add a GPS. Ditch canteen infavor of another bladder and/or some large nalgene bottles. Ditch bando in favor of actual loaded mags. Add matches and a blastmatch or other type of firestarter. Extra battery for your cellphone....which you will want to swap out and keep charged, most likely on a week-to-week basis |
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Dump the quick clot. Add socks. For real, that crap is really dangerous. In what way I figure if you need it you are already in danger Personal experience with Quickclot. To say that it has a "strong exothermic reaction" is mild. I would recommend looking into Celox/Hemcon and other hemostatic bleeding control options, especially sponges. Here's a few links: http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000458.html http://www.emsvillage.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=63&threadid=3166 http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=1&Number=122161 http://www.airborneranger.com/forums/index.php?s=373adea304538c83995c82134bee9590&showtopic=1415&pid=16018&st=0& http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=&id=33691 Forget the gas mask. Unless you have some kind of NBC detection system, you will alreaady be dead by the time you get it on. Forget the CS. If you need to throw a CS canister, you need to be running the fuck away. If you are using full MRE packets, break them down into essentials and chuck the other shit. Add road and topo maps of your AO. Add a GPS. Ditch canteen infavor of another bladder and/or some large nalgene bottles. Ditch bando in favor of actual loaded mags. Add matches and a blastmatch or other type of firestarter. Extra battery for your cellphone....which you will want to swap out and keep charged, most likely on a week-to-week basis Most of these seem to frown on "old" QuikClot but have positive things to say about "new" QuikClot (ACS). What do you think of the new sponge-pack QuikClot? |
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Most of these seem to frown on "old" QuikClot but have positive things to say about "new" QuikClot (ACS). What do you think of the new sponge-pack QuikClot? Far better product. Anything that isn't powder that I don't have to pour into a wound and then worry about the "clot" getting dislodged is good. Powder-style hemo control agents *can* under certain circumstances be a lifesaver...think fist-sized, macerated entry/exit wound that would require a paper-towel roll's worth of gauze to try and control. As always, the best product is knowledge. Few of us attend actual courses of instruction relating to the tactical use of firearms, even fewer still seek out basic instruction in the realm of trauma. |
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I would get a differant type of bag.
Something like a expedition style pack with an internal frame. When I think of Bug-Out I think of where am I going to sleep tonight? How far am I going to make it when I am wet, soaked and tired. Your life priorities are first. 1. Air = Breathing. This should be the easiest. 2. Exposure = Are you going to freeze to death or bake in the sun. 3. Water = You'll die of dehydration before you will of starvation. 4. Food = Starvation and Energy. Most of us can go for a couple weeks without food. 5. Combat = What do you expect to face? A few road travelers or heavy armed individuals. The water filter is a good idea. There is a new design on the market called the The Lifesaver bottle. In a BOB it would replace both your filter and canteen. But they are expensive but they filter everything. And from what they claim everything your Katadyn will not. http://www.lifesaversystems.com/ I would use the quick clot bandages as opposed to the quick clot powder. And if you expecting combat I would get a blow out kit and learn some basic battlefield medicine. I use have a Snug-pak and Eco-tat. in mine. I know that I can set up a good shelter and not freeze to death at night. I have been trained in SERE and stayed out in -10 weather. I used to hike 10 miles every weekend and I have a lot of outdoor experience. You pack is a good start but I doubt you would make it through the night if it got wet out and it got cold. It doesn't take much to go hypothermic and you don't have the supplies to get you out of it. You don't list a firemaking tool. And I am not talking about matches! You need to know how to make a fire when it is soaking wet out! You have to have something to start a fire. Even in Florida it can get below 32 degrees out at night. |
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4. Food = Starvation and Energy. Most of us can go for a couple weeks without food. Um... have you ever gone a few days without food in an environment where you had to burn calories to stay alive? After a few days, you'll be so drained and weak that you'll be worthless and by that point, you're going to want to curl up and stop all activity... which could get you killed. The human body can go a long time without food, if you're laying around on the couch. If you're actually forced to move around, you're not going to be much good after a few days with no food. |
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My BOB has the following. - Whiskey (one liter) - Astro Glide (ecomony size) - Dildo (12 inch, black) - Sunglasses I will not be caught unprepared! Make sure that dildo is double sided. That way people can share. Someone's been watching "Requiem for a Dream." |
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4. Food = Starvation and Energy. Most of us can go for a couple weeks without food. Um... have you ever gone a few days without food in an environment where you had to burn calories to stay alive? After a few days, you'll be so drained and weak that you'll be worthless and by that point, you're going to want to curl up and stop all activity... which could get you killed. The human body can go a long time without food, if you're laying around on the couch. If you're actually forced to move around, you're not going to be much good after a few days with no food. Yes, I had a handful of food for SERE school. 2 MRE's, part of a rabbit and a couple power bars for 6 days in the field and it was February in Spokane Washington. I understand your point exactly, but I was making the point that food is not your first priority. Especially over a short period of time. Water is more important. Both are less important if it is going to drop below 32 degrees that night and all you have is a t-shirt. What I'm trying to say is that most people want to stock up on food. Yet they won't pack a jacket or a lighter, thinking that the heaters in their MRE is going to heat their meal for the night. I didn't go through 28 days of survival school and live a prior 23 years in Montana, not learning anything about what it takes to make it through a few winters. And again, yes I have been forced to go through shit with a little bit of food to get you by, it sucks and I lost about 10 lbs off my gut to get me by as well. But shelter and water were far more important in the short term, almost immediatley after gettting chased into the woods by our pursuers. |
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If you're planning on bugging-out on foot, keep your gear light. Make sure you have good walking/hiking shoes and several pairs of socks. 1 pound on your foot = 5 pounds on your back, so keep your shoes light. I backpack in light trail runners and haven't ever regretted it. Go read about ultralight backpacking if you need some ideas for keeping weight down. Whatever gear you end up with, get out and hike with your full kit. Do a long, hard day of it–– not just a few miles. Make fire with your firemaking stuff, cook with your cook gear and food, rig a shelter with your poncho or space blanket. Shake it all down and see what works and what doesn't. Discard what you don't use, add what you needed. Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary. |
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Chuck read this...
http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 If you have any questions post it in the Survival Forum. General discussion is where we make fun of each other, the survival forum one of the areas here where we learn from each other. Cheers! |
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Thanks for all the help guys I am checking out the survival forem right now. You know I am realizing that the setup I had in Honduras which covered everthing water food weather, shelter, first aid, fire and then some would make a better BOB. For this I used a massive pack If i remember it was something like 90 liter capacity. Worked great and was very comfortable in high mountain country
This pick is me at 6000 feet 2 hours by foot out of La Esperanza getting ready to stay the night in the roods before entering a remote little village I am the guy with the camo boone to the left of Mr mustash 
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4. Food = Starvation and Energy. Most of us can go for a couple weeks without food. Um... have you ever gone a few days without food in an environment where you had to burn calories to stay alive? After a few days, you'll be so drained and weak that you'll be worthless and by that point, you're going to want to curl up and stop all activity... which could get you killed. The human body can go a long time without food, if you're laying around on the couch. If you're actually forced to move around, you're not going to be much good after a few days with no food. Yes, I had a handful of food for SERE school. 2 MRE's, part of a rabbit and a couple power bars for 6 days in the field and it was February in Spokane Washington. I understand your point exactly, but I was making the point that food is not your first priority. Especially over a short period of time. Water is more important. Both are less important if it is going to drop below 32 degrees that night and all you have is a t-shirt. What I'm trying to say is that most people want to stock up on food. Yet they won't pack a jacket or a lighter, thinking that the heaters in their MRE is going to heat their meal for the night. I didn't go through 28 days of survival school and live a prior 23 years in Montana, not learning anything about what it takes to make it through a few winters. And again, yes I have been forced to go through shit with a little bit of food to get you by, it sucks and I lost about 10 lbs off my gut to get me by as well. But shelter and water were far more important in the short term, almost immediatley after gettting chased into the woods by our pursuers. Understood. Just wanted to clarify for those who aren't as experienced that when you're surviving somewhere other than the living room of your house, going more than a few days without food can be downright deadly. Some people see that "2 weeks without food" and think they don't have to worry about packing food. |