Originally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
During the time I was in, off the top of my head, I can remember at least 5 murders, 3 rapes a lot of drug trafficking and assorted violence and mayhem. Not to even mention the thievery. No one with an ounce of common sense would leave thier valuables unsecured.


All of it Jarhead on Jarhead.


Arfcom tends to put military personell on a pedastel. Those who do this, need to get the fuck over it. The military is just a cross section of the society it serves. There's just as many dirtbags per capita in uniform as not in uniform. The structure of the military helps to keep a lid on the thugs, but it can't always prevent the shitbags from revealing thier true nature at times.


Sucks, but true.

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Since they were arrested civilly, are they now AWOL?  Sure they can find something to court marshal them for.

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If a member of the Armed Forces is arrested by the civilian authorities, they are UA (or AWOL to the rest of you) until such time as they are returned to their unit.

If this means that they are arrested, convicted, and serve five years, then after those five years are up they will be turned over to their unit for being not unly UA/AWOL, but also a deserter (since the UA was more than 90 days).

If, however, they are arrested, tried, and found not guilty, then they are not considered to have been UA at all.

Someone correct me if the situation has changed since 1996 or so.

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As far as the background investigation goes, I for one had to get a secret clearance in order to work on aircraft, so my background investigation was a little more indepth than just your average Marine. Every Marine in aviation has to get that background check. 3 of the 4 worked in aviation. One of them was in Avionics so his background was screened even more. I think the underlying issue is the pack mentality. You get the wrong crowd together and you are going to get bad situations such as this.

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I have to say the Marines are making a HUGE mistake.

This is a DISIPLINE problem, and should be handled in house.

These SHITBIRDS need to be Court Martialed, and then HUNG/SHOT/Lethal Injected.

You have subordinates who have KILLED their immediate Supervisor.

They need to be made an example of.

Not shuffled off to the local authorities...

Tried, convicted, shot...1 month...

What a waste of tax payer money...

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As soon as I find out more, I will keep everyone updated.

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Biting my tongue REALLY hard right now....

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Still, its a bad precedent, IMHO.  Also, the currently highest ranking inmate at the USDB is an Army LTC who killed his wife, OJ'ed the civilian jury, and then got hit by UCMJ paper, and is now serving life.

There might be some good reason to let the civvies handle it, but the DoD is sure as shit party to the investigation, and should conduct a parallel investigation, in the event any walk due to procedural issues.

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As far as the background investigation goes, I for one had to get a secret clearance in order to work on aircraft, so my background investigation was a little more indepth than just your average Marine. Every Marine in aviation has to get that background check. 3 of the 4 worked in aviation. One of them was in Avionics so his background was screened even more. I think the underlying issue is the pack mentality. You get the wrong crowd together and you are going to get bad situations such as this.

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There is some truth to that.   Where do you think they will be incarcerated when they are found guilty?

Four Marines might face death penalty in double slaying
By Rick Rogers, staff writer
2:00 a.m. December 16, 2008

CAMP PENDLETON — In a courtroom yesterday, prosecutors said they're considering whether to seek the death penalty against four Camp Pendleton servicemen accused of executing a Marine sergeant and his wife in October.

On the base, commanders are working to get the defendants out of the Marine Corps.

Pvt. Kevin D. Cox and Lance Cpls. Emrys J. John, Tyrone L. Miller and Kesaun K. Sykes are charged with shooting Sgt. Jan Pietrzak and his wife, Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak, on Oct. 15 in the southwestern Riverside County city of Winchester. They also are accused of torturing the couple, sexually assaulting Jenkins-Pietrzak and setting a fire to destroy evidence.

Yesterday, the four Marines sat shackled in Riverside Superior Court as attorneys discussed upcoming proceedings.

Daniel DeLimon, a Riverside County deputy district attorney, said the prosecution and defense will meet Jan. 22 to debate the death-penalty charge. DeLimon said he plans to introduce statements made by the defendants that show their motive for the double slaying.

In court documents, investigators said Miller confessed to entering the Pietrzaks' home by making threats with a shotgun. He and John accused each other of the sexual assault, while Sykes admitted cutting off Jenkins-Pietrzak's clothes, investigators said.

The suspects allegedly rummaged through the house for valuables, authorities said. A pair of shoes that matched impressions left at the crime scene and on Pietrzak's body was found in John's barracks.

The victims' parents said they believe the killers were racially prejudiced. Pietrzak was white, and his wife was black. Authorities have said only that the defendants, all of them black, staged a robbery.

Rod Pacheco, the district attorney, is expected to make the death-penalty decision by Feb. 2.

“I think there are some strong reasons why Mr. Miller should not receive the death penalty,” said his attorney, Jeff Zimel. “It does not appear that (the defendants) went to the house to kill these people. . . . It may be a money thing.”

Meanwhile, the Marine Corps is moving to oust the defendants through an administrative process called separation. It can take the action before a Marine is pronounced guilty or not guilty in court.



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"“I think there are some strong reasons why Mr. Miller should not receive the death penalty,” said his attorney, Jeff Zimel. “It does not appear that (the defendants) went to the house to kill these people. . . . It may be a money thing.”